Lifting and Protein

Training
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[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]marshaldteach wrote:

all those guidelines you’ve posted are complete bullshit…

j
[/quote]

Actually most of those guidelines have a place somewhere. None are particularly bad, depending on the context they’re used (eg, you don’t need 5 or 6 meals a day and you don’t need dairy, but what was said about these guidelines aren’t bad). I think they need to be written differently.
[/quote]

whenever i see the 5-6 meal bullshit anywhere I get pissed

if I ate 5-6 meals, I wouldn’t be able to get in 4k+ calories a day

easier on fewer meals for me

rather eat when I am hungry than force feed every 2-3 hours or something idiotic

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]marshaldteach wrote:
… not muscle milk garbage

[/quote]

It’s actually an alright product. [/quote]

I don’t agree with taking products that are loaded with carbs or other random junk, not muscle milk specifically… also hard to tell what proteins they use because it’s frequently mixed.

I think people should just buy protein and mix it with whatever is appropriate. Don’t see the point of muscle milk besides the flavor, probably not very economical if you are consuming massive amounts

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[quote]marshaldteach wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]marshaldteach wrote:

all those guidelines you’ve posted are complete bullshit…

j
[/quote]

Actually most of those guidelines have a place somewhere. None are particularly bad, depending on the context they’re used (eg, you don’t need 5 or 6 meals a day and you don’t need dairy, but what was said about these guidelines aren’t bad). I think they need to be written differently.
[/quote]

whenever i see the 5-6 meal bullshit anywhere I get pissed

if I ate 5-6 meals, I wouldn’t be able to get in 4k+ calories a day

easier on fewer meals for me

rather eat when I am hungry than force feed every 2-3 hours or something idiotic
[/quote]

I’m doing three or four larger meals now too. Eating less these days anyway.

What does your menu look like these days?

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]marshaldteach wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]marshaldteach wrote:

all those guidelines you’ve posted are complete bullshit…

j
[/quote]

Actually most of those guidelines have a place somewhere. None are particularly bad, depending on the context they’re used (eg, you don’t need 5 or 6 meals a day and you don’t need dairy, but what was said about these guidelines aren’t bad). I think they need to be written differently.
[/quote]

whenever i see the 5-6 meal bullshit anywhere I get pissed

if I ate 5-6 meals, I wouldn’t be able to get in 4k+ calories a day

easier on fewer meals for me

rather eat when I am hungry than force feed every 2-3 hours or something idiotic
[/quote]

I’m doing three or four larger meals now too. Eating less these days anyway.

What does your menu look like these days?[/quote]

haha, it’s pretty sad (to most people)

usually 1-2 meals from real food (hamburger, tofu, chicken)

2 protein shakes (48 oz each)
one is 2k calories, another ~1400
each around 130-140g of protein

maybe 100-200 cals from carbs in each one (stevia makes it drinkable)

mostly protein powder, egg whites, PB

also I find it easier to eat more than I am doing this, there have been times when I consumed a 2k calorie shake in 2-3 minutes

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DOn’t you think that much protein at one time is a bit unnecessary?

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[quote]cueball wrote:
DOn’t you think that much protein at one time is a bit unnecessary? [/quote]
Why?

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[quote]marshaldteach wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]marshaldteach wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]marshaldteach wrote:

all those guidelines you’ve posted are complete bullshit…

j
[/quote]

Actually most of those guidelines have a place somewhere. None are particularly bad, depending on the context they’re used (eg, you don’t need 5 or 6 meals a day and you don’t need dairy, but what was said about these guidelines aren’t bad). I think they need to be written differently.
[/quote]

whenever i see the 5-6 meal bullshit anywhere I get pissed

if I ate 5-6 meals, I wouldn’t be able to get in 4k+ calories a day

easier on fewer meals for me

rather eat when I am hungry than force feed every 2-3 hours or something idiotic
[/quote]

I’m doing three or four larger meals now too. Eating less these days anyway.

What does your menu look like these days?[/quote]

haha, it’s pretty sad (to most people)

usually 1-2 meals from real food (hamburger, tofu, chicken)

2 protein shakes (48 oz each)
one is 2k calories, another ~1400
each around 130-140g of protein

maybe 100-200 cals from carbs in each one (stevia makes it drinkable)

mostly protein powder, egg whites, PB

also I find it easier to eat more than I am doing this, there have been times when I consumed a 2k calorie shake in 2-3 minutes
[/quote]

how many cals a day are you eating

the 2k drink: what are the ingredients and amounts used (eg 3 scoops of powder, etc)

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]cueball wrote:
DOn’t you think that much protein at one time is a bit unnecessary? [/quote]
Why?[/quote]

I have doubts about the body’s ability to utilize that much at once. I haven’t once, since I started reading this site, seen anyone ever recommend anything close to this for a single serving.

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[quote]cueball wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]cueball wrote:
DOn’t you think that much protein at one time is a bit unnecessary? [/quote]
Why?[/quote]

I have doubts about the body’s ability to utilize that much at once. I haven’t once, since I started reading this site, seen anyone ever recommend anything close to this for a single serving.

[/quote]
As a medical guy who has lifted a little in life, I will say that I have heard about this discussion where stats and stuff are thrown out there about how much the body can utilize at once.

My opinion is that the transient time from ingestion to defecation varies of course. However it does take some time, your GI system has the ability to absorb nutrients really from the mouth to the rectum. Meaning if your body needed more protein to rebuild damaged tissue it has the ability to absorb it through the large intestine. Thus large boluses of protein ingested at say 7 am basically has the whole day to be utilized, of course there is not 100% utilization. But I will say most of the larger land mammals that lift eat a lot of protein so I will just leave it at that.

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]cueball wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]cueball wrote:
DOn’t you think that much protein at one time is a bit unnecessary? [/quote]
Why?[/quote]

I have doubts about the body’s ability to utilize that much at once. I haven’t once, since I started reading this site, seen anyone ever recommend anything close to this for a single serving.

[/quote]
As a medical guy who has lifted a little in life, I will say that I have heard about this discussion where stats and stuff are thrown out there about how much the body can utilize at once.

My opinion is that the transient time from ingestion to defecation varies of course. However it does take some time, your GI system has the ability to absorb nutrients really from the mouth to the rectum. Meaning if your body needed more protein to rebuild damaged tissue it has the ability to absorb it through the large intestine. Thus large boluses of protein ingested at say 7 am basically has the whole day to be utilized, of course there is not 100% utilization. But I will say most of the larger land mammals that lift eat a lot of protein so I will just leave it at that. [/quote]

This.

It’s also super hard to over-eat protein. Shotgun approach tends to work best. I think the number being thrown around these days for athletes is 01.2-1.8g/kg but really it’s so dependent on a number of factors that you might as well just cram it down your face-hole all the time just to be safe!

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]cueball wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]cueball wrote:
DOn’t you think that much protein at one time is a bit unnecessary? [/quote]
Why?[/quote]

I have doubts about the body’s ability to utilize that much at once. I haven’t once, since I started reading this site, seen anyone ever recommend anything close to this for a single serving.

[/quote]
As a medical guy who has lifted a little in life, I will say that I have heard about this discussion where stats and stuff are thrown out there about how much the body can utilize at once.

My opinion is that the transient time from ingestion to defecation varies of course. However it does take some time, your GI system has the ability to absorb nutrients really from the mouth to the rectum. Meaning if your body needed more protein to rebuild damaged tissue it has the ability to absorb it through the large intestine. Thus large boluses of protein ingested at say 7 am basically has the whole day to be utilized, of course there is not 100% utilization. But I will say most of the larger land mammals that lift eat a lot of protein so I will just leave it at that. [/quote]

So then you would say 140g of protein from powder isn’t excessive, then? Do you think there is even 75% utilization f that amount at one time?

There certainly has to be some sort of falling off point where more isn’t better, and just a waste, especially if it’s powder. 100g from protein in a whole food meal I could advocate before a 100g shake with powder.

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[quote]cueball wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]cueball wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]cueball wrote:
DOn’t you think that much protein at one time is a bit unnecessary? [/quote]
Why?[/quote]

I have doubts about the body’s ability to utilize that much at once. I haven’t once, since I started reading this site, seen anyone ever recommend anything close to this for a single serving.

[/quote]
As a medical guy who has lifted a little in life, I will say that I have heard about this discussion where stats and stuff are thrown out there about how much the body can utilize at once.

My opinion is that the transient time from ingestion to defecation varies of course. However it does take some time, your GI system has the ability to absorb nutrients really from the mouth to the rectum. Meaning if your body needed more protein to rebuild damaged tissue it has the ability to absorb it through the large intestine. Thus large boluses of protein ingested at say 7 am basically has the whole day to be utilized, of course there is not 100% utilization. But I will say most of the larger land mammals that lift eat a lot of protein so I will just leave it at that. [/quote]

So then you would say 140g of protein from powder isn’t excessive, then? Do you think there is even 75% utilization f that amount at one time?

There certainly has to be some sort of falling off point where more isn’t better, and just a waste, especially if it’s powder. 100g from protein in a whole food meal I could advocate before a 100g shake with powder.

[/quote]
I think the variable about excessive is going to be with the individual and his GI system. Some can hang with that and others cannot. Thats always the deal with the medical field there are never hard certainties. Believe me I have seen shit that medical books put down as fact not happen.

I personally agree that whole food protein should be the #1 source of intake, but some peoples lives just do not allow them to ingest that much a day. So “supplement” with powder is better than not supplementing at all and doing it when you can is better than not at all. Will there be more waste taking it in large boluses…maybe, but to me that would be miniscule and worth it.

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[quote]setto222 wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]cueball wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]cueball wrote:
DOn’t you think that much protein at one time is a bit unnecessary? [/quote]
Why?[/quote]

I have doubts about the body’s ability to utilize that much at once. I haven’t once, since I started reading this site, seen anyone ever recommend anything close to this for a single serving.

[/quote]
As a medical guy who has lifted a little in life, I will say that I have heard about this discussion where stats and stuff are thrown out there about how much the body can utilize at once.

My opinion is that the transient time from ingestion to defecation varies of course. However it does take some time, your GI system has the ability to absorb nutrients really from the mouth to the rectum. Meaning if your body needed more protein to rebuild damaged tissue it has the ability to absorb it through the large intestine. Thus large boluses of protein ingested at say 7 am basically has the whole day to be utilized, of course there is not 100% utilization. But I will say most of the larger land mammals that lift eat a lot of protein so I will just leave it at that. [/quote]

This.

It’s also super hard to over-eat protein. Shotgun approach tends to work best. I think the number being thrown around these days for athletes is 01.2-1.8g/kg but really it’s so dependent on a number of factors that you might as well just cram it down your face-hole all the time just to be safe![/quote]

Explain “hard to over-eat”. I wasn’t really arguing whether or not it could be done. Obviously you can eat more protein than you need. The effectiveness of the over-eating is what I’m trying to hash out.

Just because you CAN shove a lot of protein down your throat, doesn’t necessarily mean it’s a good idea to do it in only 1 or 2 sittings.

I take it you think 140g in 1 sitting isn’t more than necessary? Do you feel it will all be put to use? Do you feel that the more you intake, the more muscle you will automatically be able to build/repair? Does the scale keep sliding up?

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]cueball wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]cueball wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]cueball wrote:
DOn’t you think that much protein at one time is a bit unnecessary? [/quote]
Why?[/quote]

I have doubts about the body’s ability to utilize that much at once. I haven’t once, since I started reading this site, seen anyone ever recommend anything close to this for a single serving.

[/quote]
As a medical guy who has lifted a little in life, I will say that I have heard about this discussion where stats and stuff are thrown out there about how much the body can utilize at once.

My opinion is that the transient time from ingestion to defecation varies of course. However it does take some time, your GI system has the ability to absorb nutrients really from the mouth to the rectum. Meaning if your body needed more protein to rebuild damaged tissue it has the ability to absorb it through the large intestine. Thus large boluses of protein ingested at say 7 am basically has the whole day to be utilized, of course there is not 100% utilization. But I will say most of the larger land mammals that lift eat a lot of protein so I will just leave it at that. [/quote]

So then you would say 140g of protein from powder isn’t excessive, then? Do you think there is even 75% utilization f that amount at one time?

There certainly has to be some sort of falling off point where more isn’t better, and just a waste, especially if it’s powder. 100g from protein in a whole food meal I could advocate before a 100g shake with powder.

[/quote]
I think the variable about excessive is going to be with the individual and his GI system. Some can hang with that and others cannot. Thats always the deal with the medical field there are never hard certainties. Believe me I have seen shit that medical books put down as fact not happen.

I personally agree that whole food protein should be the #1 source of intake, but some peoples lives just do not allow them to ingest that much a day. So “supplement” with powder is better than not supplementing at all and doing it when you can is better than not at all. Will there be more waste taking it in large boluses…maybe, but to me that would be miniscule and worth it. [/quote]

Would you say two 140g shakes would be used as efficiently as four 70g shakes spread out?

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[quote]cueball wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]cueball wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]cueball wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]cueball wrote:
DOn’t you think that much protein at one time is a bit unnecessary? [/quote]
Why?[/quote]

I have doubts about the body’s ability to utilize that much at once. I haven’t once, since I started reading this site, seen anyone ever recommend anything close to this for a single serving.

[/quote]
As a medical guy who has lifted a little in life, I will say that I have heard about this discussion where stats and stuff are thrown out there about how much the body can utilize at once.

My opinion is that the transient time from ingestion to defecation varies of course. However it does take some time, your GI system has the ability to absorb nutrients really from the mouth to the rectum. Meaning if your body needed more protein to rebuild damaged tissue it has the ability to absorb it through the large intestine. Thus large boluses of protein ingested at say 7 am basically has the whole day to be utilized, of course there is not 100% utilization. But I will say most of the larger land mammals that lift eat a lot of protein so I will just leave it at that. [/quote]

So then you would say 140g of protein from powder isn’t excessive, then? Do you think there is even 75% utilization f that amount at one time?

There certainly has to be some sort of falling off point where more isn’t better, and just a waste, especially if it’s powder. 100g from protein in a whole food meal I could advocate before a 100g shake with powder.

[/quote]
I think the variable about excessive is going to be with the individual and his GI system. Some can hang with that and others cannot. Thats always the deal with the medical field there are never hard certainties. Believe me I have seen shit that medical books put down as fact not happen.

I personally agree that whole food protein should be the #1 source of intake, but some peoples lives just do not allow them to ingest that much a day. So “supplement” with powder is better than not supplementing at all and doing it when you can is better than not at all. Will there be more waste taking it in large boluses…maybe, but to me that would be miniscule and worth it. [/quote]

Would you say two 140g shakes would be used as efficiently as four 70g shakes spread out?

[/quote]
Honestly yes.

Why, because what I stated in my original post. The protein can be absorbed and utilized in the body from the stomach to the rectum, and that transit time is the key. How far down the small intestine is that 70 g shake before you ingest the next one?

Again everyone is different, I have known people that have very, very quick transit times and so the spread out meals would be ideal. But just because someone takes in this much at one ingestion, they have no GI issues and they are making gains. Well who is to say that it is not working.

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I think it’s really interesting the last few years that the discussion of multiple spaced out feedings vs more infrequent greater nutrient based meals has become such a widely discussed issue.

For decades everyone with even a basic understanding of training for physique or performance had heard, and blindly repeated the “small protein centered meals every few hours” dogma.

I’m not saying that the approach is suddenly incorrect (obviously, as it’d be hard to argue with the decades of physiques and athletes it’s contributed to creating), but there certainly seem to be a lot of well educated and versed folks in the industry with conflicting views on what is indeed the better route.

Anyone remember when all you’d read about was maintaining a positive nitrogen balance? Has that become less of a concern with fewer meals, and various fasting approaches?

S

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[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
I think it’s really interesting the last few years that the discussion of multiple spaced out feedings vs more infrequent greater nutrient based meals has become such a widely discussed issue.

For decades everyone with even a basic understanding of training for physique or performance had heard, and blindly repeated the “small protein centered meals every few hours” dogma.

I’m not saying that the approach is suddenly incorrect (obviously, as it’d be hard to argue with the decades of physiques and athletes it’s contributed to creating), but there certainly seem to be a lot of well educated and versed folks in the industry with conflicting views on what is indeed the better route.

Anyone remember when all you’d read about was maintaining a positive nitrogen balance? Has that become less of a concern with fewer meals, and various fasting approaches?

S
[/quote]
Me personally Stu I think its not so much the utilization for “rebuilding” vs the energy level and constant glucose/insulin levels.

Eating two huge ass meals a day vs 5 spread out meals, I have done both. My energy levels dropped with the two huge meals. Plus the fasting periods with my stressful life lead me to eat “bad” when I finally did eat.

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]cueball wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]cueball wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]cueball wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]cueball wrote:
DOn’t you think that much protein at one time is a bit unnecessary? [/quote]
Why?[/quote]

I have doubts about the body’s ability to utilize that much at once. I haven’t once, since I started reading this site, seen anyone ever recommend anything close to this for a single serving.

[/quote]
As a medical guy who has lifted a little in life, I will say that I have heard about this discussion where stats and stuff are thrown out there about how much the body can utilize at once.

My opinion is that the transient time from ingestion to defecation varies of course. However it does take some time, your GI system has the ability to absorb nutrients really from the mouth to the rectum. Meaning if your body needed more protein to rebuild damaged tissue it has the ability to absorb it through the large intestine. Thus large boluses of protein ingested at say 7 am basically has the whole day to be utilized, of course there is not 100% utilization. But I will say most of the larger land mammals that lift eat a lot of protein so I will just leave it at that. [/quote]

So then you would say 140g of protein from powder isn’t excessive, then? Do you think there is even 75% utilization f that amount at one time?

There certainly has to be some sort of falling off point where more isn’t better, and just a waste, especially if it’s powder. 100g from protein in a whole food meal I could advocate before a 100g shake with powder.

[/quote]
I think the variable about excessive is going to be with the individual and his GI system. Some can hang with that and others cannot. Thats always the deal with the medical field there are never hard certainties. Believe me I have seen shit that medical books put down as fact not happen.

I personally agree that whole food protein should be the #1 source of intake, but some peoples lives just do not allow them to ingest that much a day. So “supplement” with powder is better than not supplementing at all and doing it when you can is better than not at all. Will there be more waste taking it in large boluses…maybe, but to me that would be miniscule and worth it. [/quote]

Would you say two 140g shakes would be used as efficiently as four 70g shakes spread out?

[/quote]
Honestly yes.

Why, because what I stated in my original post. The protein can be absorbed and utilized in the body from the stomach to the rectum, and that transit time is the key. How far down the small intestine is that 70 g shake before you ingest the next one?

Again everyone is different, I have known people that have very, very quick transit times and so the spread out meals would be ideal. But just because someone takes in this much at one ingestion, they have no GI issues and they are making gains. Well who is to say that it is not working. [/quote]

Is the transit time as important when discussing powdered protein vs a whole food protein that has to be broken down? Or is there no difference?

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
I think it’s really interesting the last few years that the discussion of multiple spaced out feedings vs more infrequent greater nutrient based meals has become such a widely discussed issue.

For decades everyone with even a basic understanding of training for physique or performance had heard, and blindly repeated the “small protein centered meals every few hours” dogma.

I’m not saying that the approach is suddenly incorrect (obviously, as it’d be hard to argue with the decades of physiques and athletes it’s contributed to creating), but there certainly seem to be a lot of well educated and versed folks in the industry with conflicting views on what is indeed the better route.

Anyone remember when all you’d read about was maintaining a positive nitrogen balance? Has that become less of a concern with fewer meals, and various fasting approaches?

S
[/quote]
Me personally Stu I think its not so much the utilization for “rebuilding” vs the energy level and constant glucose/insulin levels.

Eating two huge ass meals a day vs 5 spread out meals, I have done both. My energy levels dropped with the two huge meals. Plus the fasting periods with my stressful life lead me to eat “bad” when I finally did eat.[/quote]

I hear ya. I can’t go very long without eating, not just protein, but anything. I’ve had friends and acquaintances notice when I start getting a bit spacey if it’s been more than a couple of hours after a meal. Whether I would be like this normally, or if I’ve created this issue with years of intentional frequent eating is an interesting question.

S

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[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
I think it’s really interesting the last few years that the discussion of multiple spaced out feedings vs more infrequent greater nutrient based meals has become such a widely discussed issue.

For decades everyone with even a basic understanding of training for physique or performance had heard, and blindly repeated the “small protein centered meals every few hours” dogma.

I’m not saying that the approach is suddenly incorrect (obviously, as it’d be hard to argue with the decades of physiques and athletes it’s contributed to creating), but there certainly seem to be a lot of well educated and versed folks in the industry with conflicting views on what is indeed the better route.

Anyone remember when all you’d read about was maintaining a positive nitrogen balance? Has that become less of a concern with fewer meals, and various fasting approaches?

S
[/quote]

What is you’re method of choice, Stu? This would be in regards to shakes, not whole food meals since that is where the 140g came in to play, Would you rather spread out the 280 total grams from those 2 shakes into four 70g shakes, or leave it at two 140g?

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[quote]cueball wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]cueball wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]cueball wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]cueball wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]cueball wrote:
DOn’t you think that much protein at one time is a bit unnecessary? [/quote]
Why?[/quote]

I have doubts about the body’s ability to utilize that much at once. I haven’t once, since I started reading this site, seen anyone ever recommend anything close to this for a single serving.

[/quote]
As a medical guy who has lifted a little in life, I will say that I have heard about this discussion where stats and stuff are thrown out there about how much the body can utilize at once.

My opinion is that the transient time from ingestion to defecation varies of course. However it does take some time, your GI system has the ability to absorb nutrients really from the mouth to the rectum. Meaning if your body needed more protein to rebuild damaged tissue it has the ability to absorb it through the large intestine. Thus large boluses of protein ingested at say 7 am basically has the whole day to be utilized, of course there is not 100% utilization. But I will say most of the larger land mammals that lift eat a lot of protein so I will just leave it at that. [/quote]

So then you would say 140g of protein from powder isn’t excessive, then? Do you think there is even 75% utilization f that amount at one time?

There certainly has to be some sort of falling off point where more isn’t better, and just a waste, especially if it’s powder. 100g from protein in a whole food meal I could advocate before a 100g shake with powder.

[/quote]
I think the variable about excessive is going to be with the individual and his GI system. Some can hang with that and others cannot. Thats always the deal with the medical field there are never hard certainties. Believe me I have seen shit that medical books put down as fact not happen.

I personally agree that whole food protein should be the #1 source of intake, but some peoples lives just do not allow them to ingest that much a day. So “supplement” with powder is better than not supplementing at all and doing it when you can is better than not at all. Will there be more waste taking it in large boluses…maybe, but to me that would be miniscule and worth it. [/quote]

Would you say two 140g shakes would be used as efficiently as four 70g shakes spread out?

[/quote]
Honestly yes.

Why, because what I stated in my original post. The protein can be absorbed and utilized in the body from the stomach to the rectum, and that transit time is the key. How far down the small intestine is that 70 g shake before you ingest the next one?

Again everyone is different, I have known people that have very, very quick transit times and so the spread out meals would be ideal. But just because someone takes in this much at one ingestion, they have no GI issues and they are making gains. Well who is to say that it is not working. [/quote]

Is the transit time as important when discussing powdered protein vs a whole food protein that has to be broken down? Or is there no difference?

[/quote]
Yes there is a difference, but transit time still occurs with powdered and the different proteins, whey, casein and egg etc. The farther up the complex protein the longer it takes to break it down. Personally I would feel uncomfortable ingesting that much powder at one time, cause my GI transit time is “slow” compared to others. My only reason for making the comment originally was I think people get locked in on #'s sometimes.

You know anyone that did the Velocity diet? Or have you done it?

I have just FYI, pretty interesting results.

After 25 years of lifting and dieting I have done a lot of diets, took me awhile to find out what’s best for me.