Life After Gun Control

Off Topic Politics and World Issues
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What would naturally follow a gun ban? A knife ban of course. Where does it stop?

A knife ban?! – I thought it was a joke at first…

Knife amnesty nets 17,700 weapons
16 June 2006
Over 17,700 weapons were handed in during the first week of the national knives amnesty, the Home Office said.

"That is 17,715 fewer weapons that can be used in a crime against ordinary, law-abiding citizens.

“If you carry a knife out of self-defence, you run the risk of having it turned on you. Carrying a knife is illegal and will not be tolerated. It could land you four years in prison.”

Good News For Rapists & Criminals: British Government Bans Knives
Launches PR ‘amnesty,’ encourages citizens to turn them in

Not content with eliminating the last vestiges of private gun ownership, a policy which saw gun crime figures balloon, the British government has now declared war on knives. Criminals can now rape women safe in the knowledge that they now have absolutely no means with which to fight back.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2006/090206bansknives.htm

Knife jail term ‘to be reviewed’
22 May 2006
The penalty for people caught carrying a knife in public is to be reviewed, after a schoolboy was stabbed to death in north London.

Home Office whip Lord Bassam said the government would look again at the two-year maximum sentence for carrying a knife without good cause.

He was responding to a Conservative call to raise it to five years.

I assume forks are next…

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Get a screwdriver…

Does the job and no jail time…

God, there are really people out there that think that every wrong can be righted , if only we had enough laws…

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wow. Like to see them try that in the south. that would go over like you pissed on elvis’s grave.

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I can only assume they want MORE knife crime – following the astounding “success” of their gun laws…

Gun Control’s Twisted Outcome
November 2002
Restricting firearms has helped make England more crime-ridden than the U.S.

Gun crime rockets to record high
December 31, 2000
Gun crime in Britain is soaring to record levels: executions, woundings and related incidents in the past year are set to be the highest ever, an investigation by The Observer has revealed.

Guns were once carried only to commit the most serious offences, but police now say they are increasingly used by small-time crooks such as burglars and low-level drug dealers.

Handgun crime ‘up’ despite ban
16 July, 2001
A new study suggests the use of handguns in crime rose by 40% in the two years after the weapons were banned.

Gun crime soars by 35%
12 January, 2003
Gun crime has risen by 35% in a year, new Home Office figures show.

The latest gun crime figures are more than double the 4,903 firearms incidents recorded in 1997 when Labour first took power.

Capital gun crime rises by 50 per cent
22 January 2006
Record levels of gun crime are being blamed on the fact that more people than ever are carrying firearms as fashion accessories.

Figures published this week by the Home Office are expected to show that offences involving guns have soared by as much as 50 per cent in some parts of the country.
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/crime/article340224.ece

“More people than ever are carrying firearms as fashion accessories”.

Right.

What goes better with this shirt? The P90 stainless or the Glock?

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Luckily for you, the gun lobby is there to defend your right to carry arms.

Well, not only your right, but also the criminals and gangsters rights to purchase and smuggle guns.

Did you know that 57% of crime guns comes from 1% of gun dealers? The Republican pigs don’t want you to know how they are.

You see, as long as lots of people are killed in the fair city of Detroit, the war in Iraq doens’t look so bad.

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[quote]orion wrote:
Get a screwdriver…

Does the job and no jail time…

God, there are really people out there that think that every wrong can be righted , if only we had enough laws…[/quote]

Well said, they’re called politicians. They do things that are illogical in order to demonstrate what a wonderful job they are doing for their constituents.

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[quote]Wreckless wrote:
Luckily for you, the gun lobby is there to defend your right to carry arms.

Well, not only your right, but also the criminals and gangsters rights to purchase and smuggle guns.

Did you know that 57% of crime guns comes from 1% of gun dealers? The Republican pigs don’t want you to know how they are.

You see, as long as lots of people are killed in the fair city of Detroit, the war in Iraq doens’t look so bad.[/quote]

Most gun owners are aware of this type of thing and demand the BATF do something about it. Unfortunately they worry about bayonet lugs instead.

I did not read the NY Times article because they are notoriously slanted on this issue but blaming the Republicans is troll-like behavior.

I am amused that you think you have a clue about American politics.

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[quote]JustTheFacts wrote:
I can only assume they want MORE knife crime – following the astounding “success” of their gun laws…

Gun Control’s Twisted Outcome
November 2002
Restricting firearms has helped make England more crime-ridden than the U.S.

Gun crime rockets to record high
December 31, 2000
Gun crime in Britain is soaring to record levels: executions, woundings and related incidents in the past year are set to be the highest ever, an investigation by The Observer has revealed.

Guns were once carried only to commit the most serious offences, but police now say they are increasingly used by small-time crooks such as burglars and low-level drug dealers.

Handgun crime ‘up’ despite ban
16 July, 2001
A new study suggests the use of handguns in crime rose by 40% in the two years after the weapons were banned.

Gun crime soars by 35%
12 January, 2003
Gun crime has risen by 35% in a year, new Home Office figures show.

The latest gun crime figures are more than double the 4,903 firearms incidents recorded in 1997 when Labour first took power.

Capital gun crime rises by 50 per cent
22 January 2006
Record levels of gun crime are being blamed on the fact that more people than ever are carrying firearms as fashion accessories.

Figures published this week by the Home Office are expected to show that offences involving guns have soared by as much as 50 per cent in some parts of the country.
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/crime/article340224.ece

“More people than ever are carrying firearms as fashion accessories”.

Right.

What goes better with this shirt? The P90 stainless or the Glock?

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Good link with the Reason article.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Wreckless wrote:
Luckily for you, the gun lobby is there to defend your right to carry arms.

Well, not only your right, but also the criminals and gangsters rights to purchase and smuggle guns.

Did you know that 57% of crime guns comes from 1% of gun dealers? The Republican pigs don’t want you to know how they are.

You see, as long as lots of people are killed in the fair city of Detroit, the war in Iraq doens’t look so bad.

Most gun owners are aware of this type of thing and demand the BATF do something about it. Unfortunately they worry about bayonet lugs instead.

I did not read the NY Times article because they are notoriously slanted on this issue but blaming the Republicans is troll-like behavior.

I am amused that you think you have a clue about American politics.[/quote]

I’m amused that you can comment on an article while being proud to not have read it. That must be a trait you share with your beloved leader, who’s also proud about not reading much.

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[quote]Wreckless wrote:

That must be a trait you share with your beloved leader, who’s also proud about not reading much.[/quote]

Okay…I want the truth from you. Do you or do you not think President Bush is a good President?

:slight_smile:

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[quote]Wreckless wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Wreckless wrote:
Luckily for you, the gun lobby is there to defend your right to carry arms.

Well, not only your right, but also the criminals and gangsters rights to purchase and smuggle guns.

Did you know that 57% of crime guns comes from 1% of gun dealers? The Republican pigs don’t want you to know how they are.

You see, as long as lots of people are killed in the fair city of Detroit, the war in Iraq doens’t look so bad.

Most gun owners are aware of this type of thing and demand the BATF do something about it. Unfortunately they worry about bayonet lugs instead.

I did not read the NY Times article because they are notoriously slanted on this issue but blaming the Republicans is troll-like behavior.

I am amused that you think you have a clue about American politics.

I’m amused that you can comment on an article while being proud to not have read it. That must be a trait you share with your beloved leader, who’s also proud about not reading much.[/quote]

Your reading comprehension sucks.

I was commenting on your troll like behavior by calling the Republicans pigs.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
Wreckless wrote:

That must be a trait you share with your beloved leader, who’s also proud about not reading much.

Okay…I want the truth from you. Do you or do you not think President Bush is a good President?

:)[/quote]

Another stupid comment by Wreckless. It is clear from his postings he does not read a wide range of subjects.

I normally read at least two books a week.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Wreckless wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Wreckless wrote:
Luckily for you, the gun lobby is there to defend your right to carry arms.

Well, not only your right, but also the criminals and gangsters rights to purchase and smuggle guns.

Did you know that 57% of crime guns comes from 1% of gun dealers? The Republican pigs don’t want you to know how they are.

You see, as long as lots of people are killed in the fair city of Detroit, the war in Iraq doens’t look so bad.

Most gun owners are aware of this type of thing and demand the BATF do something about it. Unfortunately they worry about bayonet lugs instead.

I did not read the NY Times article because they are notoriously slanted on this issue but blaming the Republicans is troll-like behavior.

I am amused that you think you have a clue about American politics.

I’m amused that you can comment on an article while being proud to not have read it. That must be a trait you share with your beloved leader, who’s also proud about not reading much.

Your reading comprehension sucks.

I was commenting on your troll like behavior by calling the Republicans pigs.
[/quote]

And I was commenting on the fact that you commented an article while claiming you hadn’t actually read it.
When you pull crap like that, you’re really in no position to call somebody else a troll, are you?

Meanwhile the Republican-led House is bending over backwards to amuse the gun-lobby and is putting the privacy of unscrupulous gun dealers over the safety of the public.

Perhaps to them, this is a win-win situation? The gun-lobby makes even more money, and come election time, will be extra generous.

As a bonus, they can claim the war in Iraq isn’t really that bad at least not compared to the situation in the US itself, since more and more citizens are getting killed in the streets.

Why shouldn’t the Republicans be blamed? They run the country atm dodn’t they?

Or perhaps they shouldn’t be blamed. Ever. Period.

Yeah, that must be it. It’s all Clintons fault eh?

Desperately trying to find any logic in your post Zap. But as usual, there is none.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Wreckless wrote:

That must be a trait you share with your beloved leader, who’s also proud about not reading much.

Okay…I want the truth from you. Do you or do you not think President Bush is a good President?

:slight_smile:

Another stupid comment by Wreckless. It is clear from his postings he does not read a wide range of subjects.

I normally read at least two books a week.[/quote]

Numbers don’t say much.
Also, you shy away from reading anything you don’t agree with.

Is your world view so weak that it crumbles when challenged?

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[quote]Wreckless wrote:
Numbers don’t say much.
Also, you shy away from reading anything you don’t agree with.

Is your world view so weak that it crumbles when challenged?[/quote]

Your mistake is assuming you are a challenge. Quite the opposite - you are a joke. No one takes anything you say down here seriously. Engaging in “debate” with you is like one of us challenging a retarded kid to a foot race.

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[quote]tveddy wrote:
wow. Like to see them try that in the south. that would go over like you pissed on elvis’s grave.[/quote]

Or the West. Molon Labe!

Mike

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[quote]Wreckless wrote:
…

And I was commenting on the fact that you commented an article while claiming you hadn’t actually read it.
When you pull crap like that, you’re really in no position to call somebody else a troll, are you?
…[/quote]

WTF are you talking about? I said I didn’t read the article. I offered no comments on the NYT article.

I noted that the NYT is famously biased on this issue.

You don’t seem to understand the most straightforward things.

Perhaps you should start posting in Dutch or Wallon or whatever your native language may be.

It would probably make more sense to the rest of us than the drivel you are known for posting.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
Wreckless wrote:
Numbers don’t say much.
Also, you shy away from reading anything you don’t agree with.

Is your world view so weak that it crumbles when challenged?

Your mistake is assuming you are a challenge. Quite the opposite - you are a joke. No one takes anything you say down here seriously. Engaging in “debate” with you is like one of us challenging a retarded kid to a foot race. [/quote]

I don’t give him that much credit. Some of those Special Olympians can fly.

Think Forrest Gump.

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You’re right. I am retarded. Or at least, I was.

I was retarded enough to think that an intelligent discussion with you would be possible.
But now it seems that, when someone puts up a link, you don’t read the link. You don’t even consider reading the link. Instead you just claim that is is “famously biased”. And that’s it. Nothing further needs to be done.

But I can play this game. With the same lack of effort, I’ll end this discussion by dropping the big one.

You sir, are “famously biased”.

There.

Ippon.

I’ve won.

Hey, don’t look at me. You choose the level of this “discussion”. Gee, you can’t even win this at your own level.
Can’t even win from a retarded kid. What does that make you?

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[quote]Wreckless wrote:
You’re right. I am retarded. Or at least, I was.

I was retarded enough to think that an intelligent discussion with you would be possible.
But now it seems that, when someone puts up a link, you don’t read the link. You don’t even consider reading the link. Instead you just claim that is is “famously biased”. And that’s it. Nothing further needs to be done.

But I can play this game. With the same lack of effort, I’ll end this discussion by dropping the big one.

You sir, are “famously biased”.

There.

Ippon.

I’ve won.

Hey, don’t look at me. You choose the level of this “discussion”. Gee, you can’t even win this at your own level.
Can’t even win from a retarded kid. What does that make you?[/quote]

A busy man.

I don’t haave time to read every article that is linked.

Since this thread is about the UK banning knives I figured a NYT article on gun control and “Republican Pigs” was not on topic.

Your synopsis told me enough. I am very aware of the small number of FFL holders that cause most of the problems and the fact the BATF never goes after them. This is not news. It is an age old problem. It has lasted through Dem and Rep admins.

I have tried discussion with you before. At best it is like talking to a wall. At worst it is arguing with a fool.

There are a few left wing posters it is fun and enlightening to debate.

There are more that appoach the discussion honestly.

You simply troll and show a very poor understanding of American politics.