[quote]apocolypse wrote:
[quote]Aragorn wrote:
[quote]apocolypse wrote:
[quote]ronald1919 wrote:
man I like CT a lot but hes gone thru more tools and technique than ever. From explosive, gymnastic, prowler, rings, olympic lifting and now back again to pumping (bodybuilding 101). I have a bit of a nausea and am not even sure how to lift anymore and I have a strong base. The average reader would be lost in this circus. [/quote]
it is gimmicky BS.
There are many people here who are obsessing over gymnastic rings and ‘pulsing’ etc who look like total beginners and would be better served doing the same basic exercises that have been around for 60+ years and eating steak and potatoes.
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I dont think you can call it BS. Synergy credits the rings explicitly as leaing to big improvements in his arms. He credits pulsing with helping him lean out so well with no cardio at all. Hip credits MAG-10 and several of CT’s methods to his massing up and leaning up at the same time. Ashylarryku has seen really, REALLY good results with his deadlift and squat, and bench, from CT’s method of programming. I have seen in person stlthx’s very real improvement in lat width from the back lever and leanness from CT’s methods. Ct’s methods put 50 lbs on my bench with a video to prove it (435).
There are too many damned improvements from too many people with too many pictures, videos, or whatever to write that shit off as BS. It works. You CAN say that a large chunk of people focusing on this shit are a) not ready for it b) not advanced enough for it or c) overtjinking things, and I will completely agree. There are TONS of beginners fretting about shit they have NO need to worry about and spending 300$ on supplements they dont need…but then again, I see that happen every day in the two gyms I go to, and whem I go home, and on “other” web forums, and in supplement shops everywhere. So yeah they need to smarten up and do the heavy basics. Same with many intermediate trainees.
But you can’t say it’s bullshit. Even Prof X, probably one of the very strongest advocates of “do basic shit hard, for a long time, and eat big”, has credited MAG-10 with helping him a lot on his last lean down and also saying he learned a shitload from CT. You know Prof, he never admits he’s wrong! (love ya big guy).
The shit works. It’s a matter of a) where does it fit for you and b) are you using it right or are you getting distracted[/quote]
Fair enough, I respect your points, you normally make excellent posts and I see where you’re coming from.
Just think too many here are drinking the $300 kool aid (not saying you yourself are).
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Oh, I totally agree with you there! I reread my post and it seemed a lot more pointed and brusque than I thought it did when typing it, so I am glad you didn’t take it personally, because I didn’t mean it that way. I think its all in the perspective–some people are absolutely losing it. Many people are not, of course, and there’s a big difference between enthusiasm over something new (i mean, how else are you going to pick new stuff to try out if you’re not excited about it right? I freely admit to being like a kid in a candy store with new shit that I find out about. I love that new discovery feeling…and yes, I admit I have taken it too far in the past too) and actual of perspective (which also happens routinely).
I also think there’s a big difference in what takes somebody like synergy or hip or somebody to the next elite level and what john doe does om the weekend as a complete beginner. To be fair, I do believe that a lot of CT’s new stuff can make a big acceleration to training of all levels–its just that his puzzle pieces are fairly complex and a newbie just isnt going to have the capacity to understand how it all fits together, and will end up ignoring vital fundamentals. (not because CT doesnt believe in them, but because the noob can’t keep everything in priority).
I think that is a little harder to screw up fundamentally with CT’s training philosophy than it is with the elite level supplementation–which everybody thinks they need and they don’t. I was talking with Alan Aragon about 3 weeks ago and he made the point that your protein synthesis is upregulated for 4-6 hours post workout and that according to a number of studies mixing 50g carbs with 40g whey did NOT increase markers of protein synthesis over protein only. He also made the point that your glycogen levels are going to be refilled by solid meals as well as shakes in the next 6 hours, so there’s no real need for “liquid sugar” as he calls it. Now I disagree with him on a nu,ber of poontx here, but thats not important–i respect him a lot! I said "what about those people training football, weights in the morning, field at noon, or multiple workouts a day? Alan responded “how many soccer moms do you know working out with weights twice a day?”
Point he was making was this–he actually agreed with me regarding pre/intra protein and carbs for multiple sessions a day. And he was very pointed in saying that, to get to elite level, or even advanced status, you do need to push nutrient timing and make sure your glycogen stores are topped off for the next session…but most people never, ever work hard enough to need the supplements they are buying. I thoughr this was an excellent point even though I do tend to disagree with him on some issues…we were much, much closer to agreement in our strategy than I had thought based on his initial remarks.
I know for myself MAG-10 is a complete lifesaver with my workout schedule. Holy shit, it does work and it is worth the money for the aches and doms it is saving me. That and I legitimately love the pre-bed pulsing. I also know that too many people don’t earn the need to buy it. And too many people are worried about how to pulse perfectly while not being able to even put up a bodyweight bench or a decent workout.
All this longwinded to say that, yes more or less I agree with you for a lot of the “young guns” that are out there. Every body likes to think they’re more advanced than they are, even if the methods not the problem themselves.
Sorry for typos, im on my phone.