[quote]Keki wrote:
The stuff Orion and Angry Chicken write is mind-blowing. Where the hell do you read up on this stuff, or do you just learn it as you go? Please point me in the right direction. [/quote]
I learned alot of this stuff from reddit.com/r/seduction
or watch RSD on youtube.
[quote]optheta wrote:
You know its funny, I would think T-Nation of all places would have guys professing about there skills in The Game, however most it looks like do not have it.
Is T-Nation full of Good Looking Tall White AFC’s? Lol.[/quote]
Really? Why’s that? I’ve often found that guys who are serious about muscle or strength tend to be geeks who want to be badasses, to paraphrase. Training is definitely an area where having a strong background in science is an asset. I think the forums here prove my point. I’ve been lurking for much longer than I’ve been posting, and T-Nation has one of (if not THE) most intelligent discussions I’ve seen for a forum that isn’t devoted to intellectual pursuits. Doesn’t surprise me at all.
[quote]Keki wrote:
The stuff Orion and Angry Chicken write is mind-blowing. Where the hell do you read up on this stuff, or do you just learn it as you go? Please point me in the right direction. [/quote]
His journey into PUA, from the painful beginning to where he is now.
started it on the most fundamental article, ever.
http://3rdmilleniummen.wordpress.com/2012/08/20/manosphere-female-age-and-sexual-market-value/
Discussion on SMV with links to a few important sites.
This should get you started, they all link to each other constantly anyway.
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
<taps foot, still waiting>[/quote]
Not married, but you guys do not make me regret that.
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Okay why?
I have a loving wife, who doubles my income and fulfills me in every way? So I dont get new ass, I have the ass I want at any point I want so if anything you should be envious.
Plus I dont have to play the stupid games or go to bed beating off to porn. [/quote]
Because in a thread like “my wife tries to cockblock me out of touching my naughty bits” there are inevitably some married guys who get into who it is all about “compromise”.
As FI has pointed out, there was no “compromise” in sight, she told him what to do with his own dick.
If that is marriage, I am like, -_- …
Thank you Orion for offering these links, I have a lot of reading to do, I was reading up on some of the books Angry Chicken suggested a long while ago… Not for picking up women, but to help you become a better more confident man… which will help you get laid; the books are:
[quote]optheta wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]optheta wrote:
Orion is a man well versed in the game, this is all the stuff that I have been reading about and trying to do. But god dam its hard as fuck to implement into the real world.
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No, it is not, that is all in your head.
if you are just an average guy, you will probably get three invitations a week.
Seriously.
You just dont notice it.
Get a bit into body language and at least believe that for some women you are the hot stuff and you will notice it.
The thing is that women are so much better at that stuff that they are almost dry humping you from their perspective and you just dont get it.
A girl has her pride, you know?
If you have just the slightest inclination that yes, she means you, go for it.
But, go for it with a specific mindset, the USS Opheta will not go under with a dire “blub” or with her captain wailing, oh no, she will strikeout with all her guns firng and her banner flapping proudly in the wind.
Cause, if you strike out, strike out spectacularly.
Like a boss. [/quote]
Body Language man, its hard to read it properly.
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Courses man, its easy to enroll in them
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Keki wrote:
The stuff Orion and Angry Chicken write is mind-blowing. Where the hell do you read up on this stuff, or do you just learn it as you go? Please point me in the right direction. [/quote]
His journey into PUA, from the painful beginning to where he is now.
started it on the most fundamental article, ever.
http://3rdmilleniummen.wordpress.com/2012/08/20/manosphere-female-age-and-sexual-market-value/
Discussion on SMV with links to a few important sites.
This should get you started, they all link to each other constantly anyway.[/quote]
I read the middle one, mildly depressing. I think I’ll just carry on doing my own thing while everyone fucks around with the swings and the sandbox.
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I’m watching some of his pickup vids on youtube and he’s always attempting to go after foreign eastern european girls.
Are British as brutally ugly as people say? Ha!
[quote]optheta wrote:
[quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:
[quote]optheta wrote:
Im curious how many guys on T-Nation got Game when it comes to women? Were you a natural or did you read up on it and learn it through going out alot and getting better?
And how many of you got no game and just sort of fell into your relationship or whatever you have at the moment?
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I’m not a man but my husband is. When we first met, he tried to impress me with all kinds of game ie “being busy” when he really wasn’t, trying to get me to chase him, acting like he wasn’t too interested in me even though I knew that he was. It was annoying on a whole new level. Now, I knew what he was like with other people and that deep down he was a super funny and sincere guy that had deep respect for a good woman so I gave it a little longer. He eventually dropped the act and showed me the man that I fell in love with. Me, I don’t like game at all; it is not appealing to me and I would run for the hills if I thought someone was playing me. Sincerity, the ability to make me laugh and genuinely caring about my happiness and well-being are among the top things that I would look for over a sweet talker. I think I’d say that we fell into our relationship more than anything.[/quote]
Right, but there is a reason its called “The Game”, because women ultimately force men to act this way. The guys I see get Laid the most, have the hottest girlfriends etc, All have some form or another of Game. The teasing, ignoring etc all work for a reason.[/quote]
Maybe this will work now for you at 22 y/o. The thing that I notice with every pro-PUA guy guy is that none of them want to get married. If you want to try the same game or moves in another 10 years, you will probably be the creepy guy.
Out of curiosity, what is it that women do or don’t do that force men to these things as you say?
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:
[quote]optheta wrote:
Im curious how many guys on T-Nation got Game when it comes to women? Were you a natural or did you read up on it and learn it through going out alot and getting better?
And how many of you got no game and just sort of fell into your relationship or whatever you have at the moment?
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I’m not a man but my husband is. When we first met, he tried to impress me with all kinds of game ie “being busy” when he really wasn’t, trying to get me to chase him, acting like he wasn’t too interested in me even though I knew that he was. It was annoying on a whole new level. Now, I knew what he was like with other people and that deep down he was a super funny and sincere guy that had deep respect for a good woman so I gave it a little longer. He eventually dropped the act and showed me the man that I fell in love with. Me, I don’t like game at all; it is not appealing to me and I would run for the hills if I thought someone was playing me. Sincerity, the ability to make me laugh and genuinely caring about my happiness and well-being are among the top things that I would look for over a sweet talker. I think I’d say that we fell into our relationship more than anything.[/quote]
So…
It worked?
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Not the game part, no. I was contemplating not pursuing the relationship because of it. Not that I wasn’t interested but because I found it way too confusing that someone pretends to keep you at distance even though it’s blatantly obvious that they don’t want to. It was only after he completely stopped all of that that the relationship went anywhere.
I know the way that you think, Orion. Who knows, for some women, maybe you’re right? For me, I like straight forward and all cards on the table. I don’t have any inclination to deal with people that are manipulative in any way, shape or form. I’m not bitter either. I just have more respect for myself and my time than to try to decipher relationship jigsaw puzzles. When I have to guess, that’s too much unnecessary work.
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First, I dont do that no contact shtick unless she starts that nonsense.
Second, what I would do, you would not even notice.
Third, yeah, you became an item “in spite” of it.
So, at least, it did not hurt.
BUT, had he given in to his natural inclinations, like, calling three times a day, you would not be together right now.
So, in my mind, even badly executed game landed him you.
He did not hit the sweet spot, but he managed to not hit the desperate loser spot by overdoing it.
Success, I guess?
And no, you do not know the way I think.
You would like to think you do, thats all. [/quote]
If anyone called me three times a day, I’m pretty sure I’d tell them to lose my number. Having said that, I don’t know if we’d be together or not if things happened differently but I’d like to think so. There is no way to ever know the answer to that. I’m claiming that I find game annoying and I prefer genuine confidence. I never thought he was a loser, never. As I said before, I already knew how he was and noticed that he wasn’t being that way with me. When it was important, things got real and it’s a happy ending. I just think it would be a real shame to see a truly wonderful relationship NOT happen because someone felt the need to play games with someone they really liked.
I don’t deny that games do work with many women/females though. My son is 16 and naturally has “game” with the girls at his school and they flock to him. I shake my head and wonder how they could be so naive because I know that in a week they will be crying as he has no real interest in a “steady” girlfriend.
Orion, I don’t “know” you but I’ve read enough of your posts to understand your basic ideas about women, relationships, politics, etc. If you are truthful in your posts then I would say I have a good understanding. If you think that I don’t, perhaps you should tell me what you do think.[/quote]
Here is the thing, if you have read my posts you would know that “pissing a woman off” is preferable to being a clingy needy bitch.
It was in there, somewhere, between the lines I guess?
The thing is, what women dont get is that most of these guys are not really that needy.
They are focused and enthusiastic, but your internal programming will inevitable process this as neediness —> low on the totem pole ----> not worthy of sex.
Thats ok, but in that case calling you too often out of a wide eyed innocence would have been a deal breaker, not calling you, even if you know the reason why and you find it annoying, does not shut your libido down.
He erred on the asshole side, mildly so, and he got rewarded.
There is no cognitive dissonance for me, work through yours.
Lesson: When in doubt, go asshole. [/quote]
You think that but that doesn’t necessarily make it true. I don’t think that either of those things is a good way to be.
I agree with you on the men being needy part, imagine that? That’s what I didn’t like about the game thing. He had PLENTY to offer and, IMO, didn’t need to resort to any kind of game. What I find most attractive is a man who is so confident that he doesn’t need to assure me of how awesome he is.
Okay, the phoning too often point, I agree. We’re on a roll tonight, aren’t we? lol Anyways, yes, that would most likely have been a deal breaker with anyone that did that as it screams desperation and downright crazy. You have to remember though that if you ignore a girl too much that has equally as much to offer, maybe someone else might swoop in and grab her attention.
My husband reads these forums too so I just wanted to say that he is not nor has he ever been an asshole. He’s the best father/husband ever and he knows that I hate game as we still laugh about it today. He swears that it worked, I swear that it didn’t. lol What can you do?
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I said “mildly on the assholish side”.
Dont discuss this with me, discuss this with him.
Ask him how often he would have liked to call you and compare that to what you just wrote.
Then, ask yourself whether his game was not strong like lion and trumped yours.
There would be no shame in it… :-)…
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Ohhhhhhh only a mild asshole.
I have discussed it with him. As I’ve said already, it’s been kind of an ongoing joke for years. There isn’t really anything to discuss. He’s already told me that he wanted to call me more but didn’t because he thought he’d be friend zoned. I told him that was ridiculous. Okay, Orion. This is the part where you tell me that I’m wrong. I’m waiting. lol
Since you know so much about women, what was my game? Tell me. I’m dying to know.
Reading Orion’s posts is even worse than reading the nonsense X writes when he tries to argue about nothing.
The “game”? PUA? haha, gimme a break.
But I see how this crap can be attractive to some guys.
[quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:
Ohhhhhhh only a mild asshole.
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O_o
[quote]LoRez wrote:
[quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:
[quote]debraD wrote:
Oh you sillies, teehee. You think you have some control over us girlie things. 
We’ve already decided if it’s a yes or a no before you’ve even opened your pretty mouth. The only thing you can do is fuck up a yes and make it a no.
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Don’t go telling him all of our secrets, debraD. lol
I actually think there is more truth to this than not. From what I’ve seen in my lifetime, it’s more the woman that accepts or rejects the relationship. This is particularly true the more attractive the woman is.[/quote]
So if the woman is ultimately the gatekeeper, shouldn’t the man do all he can to get past the gates?
If she’s actually looking for anything of substance, most guys will be filtered out pretty quickly, even the ones with ‘game’. But if a guy’s already got all the fundamentals down pat, is there anything wrong with a little intentional ‘game’ to get past some of her subconscious, biological criteria?
I can’t remember how many times I’ve heard “he was perfect for me, we had the same interests, we both… etc. etc., but I just wasn’t attracted to him”.
It’s not even about physical attraction, it’s that “je ne sais quoi” that makes you want him.
(Granted, some women just don’t have filters for things like “stable lifestyle”, “not abusive”, “doesn’t cheat”, etc.)[/quote]
If it involves trying to be more suave, debonair or dishonest than one can pull off, I’d advise against it. (I don’t mean you) I have met many attractive men in my lifetime that have ruined it by trying to run game. The first thing I think is that you pull a new piece of tail every night and probably have a disease.
I know what you mean with the friend zone stuff but that’s what happens in your early 20’s. As time goes on, for the most part, people become a little busier and tend to be more direct with what they want and expect. There isn’t any need for games.
True about some women and their filters - very good point. Fortunately mine works exceedingly well.
[quote]infinite_shore wrote:
Reading Orion’s posts is even worse than reading the nonsense X writes when he tries to argue about nothing.
The “game”? PUA? haha, gimme a break.
But I see how this crap can be attractive to some guys.[/quote]
Thank you kind Sir for that well thought out reply and let me assure you that it is very appreciated.
Next time I see anything like this, I will know not to be fooled.
Cold daytime approach to strong hair twirling in just over 3 minutes:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
<taps foot, still waiting>[/quote]
Not married, but you guys do not make me regret that.
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Okay why?
I have a loving wife, who doubles my income and fulfills me in every way? So I dont get new ass, I have the ass I want at any point I want so if anything you should be envious.
Plus I dont have to play the stupid games or go to bed beating off to porn. [/quote]
Nonsense. You surely got the short end of the stick. haha Yeah right. I’ve seen pictures of your wife. I’d say if you weren’t happy, you’d have to be nuts.
[quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
<taps foot, still waiting>[/quote]
Not married, but you guys do not make me regret that.
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Okay why?
I have a loving wife, who doubles my income and fulfills me in every way? So I dont get new ass, I have the ass I want at any point I want so if anything you should be envious.
Plus I dont have to play the stupid games or go to bed beating off to porn. [/quote]
Nonsense. You surely got the short end of the stick. haha Yeah right. I’ve seen pictures of your wife. I’d say if you weren’t happy, you’d have to be nuts.
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The thing is though, he is playing these stupid games, he just does not know it, because he always more or less was this way.
Thats like a beast that goes into the gym and deadlifts 250kg on the first try wondering what all this fuss about “plateaus” and “nutrition” is all about.
"Someone else might be the life of the party, someone else might be the the drummer of the band at the aftershow party, it does not matter, avoid the environments where she is put on a pedestal, get her to an environment where you are the shit.
Even better, be good at what you do and let them come to you.
What people do not understand is that appealing to all women is pointless. "
I like this because I have come to realise that it is true.
I can take my brothers girlfriend for example. 26 years old, fit and good looking. However she has 2 kids and the dad went AWOL long ago.
My brother hooked up with her on a single parents dating website thats for sure because he has kids of his own but from what my dad told me my brother was swimming in female attention.
Now you may think of me as an asshole, hell I know I can be a big asshole but this made me smile because I knew the women were grasping outwards rather than waiting.
Kids attached to a woman is kryptonite for most men, me included. I dont want another mans saved game in my pocket and I know from many examples that once a woman has a kid, she will undoubtedly get pregnant again. No thanks!
Now some men will say “hey thats an un-tapped goldmine you can plough!” I will say this, I am not a cold hearted bastard when it comes to getting my own way by fooling women with kids into having sex with me.
This is an example of a PUA crashing and burning hilariously!
[quote]optheta wrote:
[quote]Edgy wrote:
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make them feel like they are the only thing in the world.
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Thats certainly not the view of most PUA material.[/quote]
rite - they have this idea that you insult the girl, then ignore her.
that has NEVER EVER, NOT ONE FUCKING TIME ever worked for this Viking…