[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:
[quote]optheta wrote:
Im curious how many guys on T-Nation got Game when it comes to women? Were you a natural or did you read up on it and learn it through going out alot and getting better?
And how many of you got no game and just sort of fell into your relationship or whatever you have at the moment?
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I’m not a man but my husband is. When we first met, he tried to impress me with all kinds of game ie “being busy” when he really wasn’t, trying to get me to chase him, acting like he wasn’t too interested in me even though I knew that he was. It was annoying on a whole new level. Now, I knew what he was like with other people and that deep down he was a super funny and sincere guy that had deep respect for a good woman so I gave it a little longer. He eventually dropped the act and showed me the man that I fell in love with. Me, I don’t like game at all; it is not appealing to me and I would run for the hills if I thought someone was playing me. Sincerity, the ability to make me laugh and genuinely caring about my happiness and well-being are among the top things that I would look for over a sweet talker. I think I’d say that we fell into our relationship more than anything.[/quote]
So…
It worked?
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Not the game part, no. I was contemplating not pursuing the relationship because of it. Not that I wasn’t interested but because I found it way too confusing that someone pretends to keep you at distance even though it’s blatantly obvious that they don’t want to. It was only after he completely stopped all of that that the relationship went anywhere.
I know the way that you think, Orion. Who knows, for some women, maybe you’re right? For me, I like straight forward and all cards on the table. I don’t have any inclination to deal with people that are manipulative in any way, shape or form. I’m not bitter either. I just have more respect for myself and my time than to try to decipher relationship jigsaw puzzles. When I have to guess, that’s too much unnecessary work.
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First, I dont do that no contact shtick unless she starts that nonsense.
Second, what I would do, you would not even notice.
Third, yeah, you became an item “in spite” of it.
So, at least, it did not hurt.
BUT, had he given in to his natural inclinations, like, calling three times a day, you would not be together right now.
So, in my mind, even badly executed game landed him you.
He did not hit the sweet spot, but he managed to not hit the desperate loser spot by overdoing it.
Success, I guess?
And no, you do not know the way I think.
You would like to think you do, thats all. [/quote]
If anyone called me three times a day, I’m pretty sure I’d tell them to lose my number. Having said that, I don’t know if we’d be together or not if things happened differently but I’d like to think so. There is no way to ever know the answer to that. I’m claiming that I find game annoying and I prefer genuine confidence. I never thought he was a loser, never. As I said before, I already knew how he was and noticed that he wasn’t being that way with me. When it was important, things got real and it’s a happy ending. I just think it would be a real shame to see a truly wonderful relationship NOT happen because someone felt the need to play games with someone they really liked.
I don’t deny that games do work with many women/females though. My son is 16 and naturally has “game” with the girls at his school and they flock to him. I shake my head and wonder how they could be so naive because I know that in a week they will be crying as he has no real interest in a “steady” girlfriend.
Orion, I don’t “know” you but I’ve read enough of your posts to understand your basic ideas about women, relationships, politics, etc. If you are truthful in your posts then I would say I have a good understanding. If you think that I don’t, perhaps you should tell me what you do think.[/quote]
Here is the thing, if you have read my posts you would know that “pissing a woman off” is preferable to being a clingy needy bitch.
It was in there, somewhere, between the lines I guess?
The thing is, what women dont get is that most of these guys are not really that needy.
They are focused and enthusiastic, but your internal programming will inevitable process this as neediness —> low on the totem pole ----> not worthy of sex.
Thats ok, but in that case calling you too often out of a wide eyed innocence would have been a deal breaker, not calling you, even if you know the reason why and you find it annoying, does not shut your libido down.
He erred on the asshole side, mildly so, and he got rewarded.
There is no cognitive dissonance for me, work through yours.
Lesson: When in doubt, go asshole. [/quote]
You think that but that doesn’t necessarily make it true. I don’t think that either of those things is a good way to be.
I agree with you on the men being needy part, imagine that? That’s what I didn’t like about the game thing. He had PLENTY to offer and, IMO, didn’t need to resort to any kind of game. What I find most attractive is a man who is so confident that he doesn’t need to assure me of how awesome he is.
Okay, the phoning too often point, I agree. We’re on a roll tonight, aren’t we? lol Anyways, yes, that would most likely have been a deal breaker with anyone that did that as it screams desperation and downright crazy. You have to remember though that if you ignore a girl too much that has equally as much to offer, maybe someone else might swoop in and grab her attention.
My husband reads these forums too so I just wanted to say that he is not nor has he ever been an asshole. He’s the best father/husband ever and he knows that I hate game as we still laugh about it today. He swears that it worked, I swear that it didn’t. lol What can you do?
We’ve already decided if it’s a yes or a no before you’ve even opened your pretty mouth. The only thing you can do is fuck up a yes and make it a no.