Men who know thier shit on TN:
- Pushharder
- Angry Chicken (EDIT)
- Orion
- Pushharder (bears repeating)
- DB Cooper
- anyone who isnt Ct. Rockula…
(thanks for the clarification, O - you is da bestest~)
[quote]Edgy wrote:
Men who know thier shit on TN:
- Pushharder
- Orion
- Pushharder (bears repeating)
- DB Cooper
- anyone who isnt Ct. Rockula…[/quote]
Blasphemy.
I do not know where to put me, but I am not above AC who it not even on your list (WTF !?! )
Dude got cockblocked by the Man, did a gig on an oilrig while sleeping in a glorified dog hut and was still pulling 20 somethings.
I know when I am outclassed.
(Referring to orions post about 4 up from here)
Again, that’s not even really game. That’s playing by biological and social rules that exist, no matter how much you want to pretend they don’t.
While there seems to be a definite undertone of bitterness, pretty much all of that matches with my own experience.
Now, I don’t think it’s wrong to offer her choices, but you have to limit them. Most of the girls I’ve known feel like they should have a say in the matter (that’s my own selection bias – I like the independent type, they’re more entertaining overall).
It’s worth learning the difference between: “do you want to do dinner tomorrow?” and “what time do you want to do dinner tomorrow?” She can refuse in either case, but in the 2nd, you’ve already told her she’s having dinner with you. At the same time, she’s still making a decision, and still feels like she has some control.
It’s all subtle stuff like that. You pay enough attention to her body language and tone, you learn what works and what doesn’t.
I’m not the kind of guy to “game” a girl or trick her into something. In the end, these are just tools and techniques and insights that you can use however. Even in a happy, successful, long term relationship, it’s still useful to know this stuff so you can see the real dynamics that are happening.
[quote]LoRez wrote:
(Referring to orions post about 4 up from here)
Again, that’s not even really game. That’s playing by biological and social rules that exist, no matter how much you want to pretend they don’t.
[/quote]
Hell yeah, these days it is.
Or do you seriously doubt that in this day and age what I just told him will give him a major advantage over the next AFC?
I dont want to frighten him, I want him to test the waters for a paradigm shift.
[quote]Edgy wrote:
Men who know thier shit on TN:
- Pushharder
- Angry Chicken (EDIT)
- Orion
- Pushharder (bears repeating)
- DB Cooper
- anyone who isnt Ct. Rockula…
(thanks for the clarification, O - you is da bestest~)[/quote]
No, PH is the bestest, I am the thirdest.
If that.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Edgy wrote:
Men who know thier shit on TN:
- Pushharder
- Angry Chicken (EDIT)
- Orion
- Pushharder (bears repeating)
- DB Cooper
- anyone who isnt Ct. Rockula…
(thanks for the clarification, O - you is da bestest~)[/quote]
No, PH is the bestest, I am the thirdest.
If that.[/quote]
Who on this list is happily married?
and for the record I like most of these guys, just my observation.
Orion is a man well versed in the game, this is all the stuff that I have been reading about and trying to do. But god dam its hard as fuck to implement into the real world.
One thing i have learned like Orion said is having Abundance Mentality, that for any girl you fuck it up with or are afraid to just have the mentality that there are a 1000’s of others out there.
Orion, I am not as old as you but I have seen too many instances where just blaming the woman as the root cause of problems in the dating, relationship and sex areas isn’t really delving into the real reasons.
You go out to a bar or club on any given night where there is a lot of men and women.
What do you see? I see men trying too hard to impress women they don’t know, all in the pursuit of a bit of fanny and anything else that gives a man that good feeling.
“Can I buy you a drink?” “Hey who are you?” etc…
Now you take one woman, nothing special at all about her and its a night out. Now if she doesn’t close herself off completely with a multi-woman bitch field of lesbian proportions, she will get at least 5 guys hitting on her with no effort on her behalf whatsoever.
If you did the same thing as a man, you get…? Nothing.
Unless you bump into someone that knows you but that is besides the point. Random women will not approach you like random men approach women.
Think about it, if 5 women approached you every time you went out, bought you drinks and you wanted to fuck them, how long would it take before you started to create a “no thanks” type of shit list which you will automatically check off in your head whenever a woman approaches you?
I have done little nerdish experiments to test this and if you do nothing as a man, the woman isn’t going to jump on you unless you’re lucky and she just wants to fuck.
A woman can go into any bar and club, sit on her arse and do nothing but she is almost guaranteed a man.
Men are the problem, they fuss about getting women no matter what, even the ugly ones these days are talking about standards, when in the fuck did this start?
Online dating is a cess pit of this crap. Create a female profile on POF and within 10 minutes you will have more mail than any given male on the site.
Dont even get me started on places like Adult friend Finder, the motherload of all pond life can be found on those types of sites and women who wouldn’t get a second glance are bombarded by desperate men.
I’ve found that testosterone makes men desperate, women can control it to a point but it is different for them.
They will rip their friends apart to get a man with fame and fortune. Men with a high standing in social circles, no matter who they are, get more attention than they deserve because women LOVE the social status of the guy in-question.
Last month I was privvy to a lot of Facebook feeds from young women (19-24) who were out at a nightclub to see some so-called famous Y-list celebrity.
One of the girls went back to his hotel, took pictures of him in bed etc, got a kiss, easily gave him a blowjob and sex and decided to cheer about it.
The guy is a typical hipster twat as far as I am concerned but he is “on the telly!” and is “so hawt babes” (real words these women use) and they dont even know him past that.
The real joke here? They are all on degree courses and wonder why they are single.
I dont despise them, I pity them and smile as I go about my day because I’d rather avoid being with a cunt than being miserable.
[quote]Edgy wrote:
…
make them feel like they are the only thing in the world.
…
[/quote]
Thats certainly not the view of most PUA material.
[quote]harrypotter wrote:
Orion, I am not as old as you but I have seen too many instances where just blaming the woman as the root cause of problems in the dating, relationship and sex areas isn’t really delving into the real reasons.
You go out to a bar or club on any given night where there is a lot of men and women.
What do you see? I see men trying too hard to impress women they don’t know, all in the pursuit of a bit of fanny and anything else that gives a man that good feeling.
“Can I buy you a drink?” “Hey who are you?” etc…
Now you take one woman, nothing special at all about her and its a night out. Now if she doesn’t close herself off completely with a multi-woman bitch field of lesbian proportions, she will get at least 5 guys hitting on her with no effort on her behalf whatsoever.
If you did the same thing as a man, you get…? Nothing.
Unless you bump into someone that knows you but that is besides the point. Random women will not approach you like random men approach women.
Think about it, if 5 women approached you every time you went out, bought you drinks and you wanted to fuck them, how long would it take before you started to create a “no thanks” type of shit list which you will automatically check off in your head whenever a woman approaches you?
I have done little nerdish experiments to test this and if you do nothing as a man, the woman isn’t going to jump on you unless you’re lucky and she just wants to fuck.
A woman can go into any bar and club, sit on her arse and do nothing but she is almost guaranteed a man.
Men are the problem, they fuss about getting women no matter what, even the ugly ones these days are talking about standards, when in the fuck did this start?
Online dating is a cess pit of this crap. Create a female profile on POF and within 10 minutes you will have more mail than any given male on the site.
Dont even get me started on places like Adult friend Finder, the motherload of all pond life can be found on those types of sites and women who wouldn’t get a second glance are bombarded by desperate men.
I’ve found that testosterone makes men desperate, women can control it to a point but it is different for them.
They will rip their friends apart to get a man with fame and fortune. Men with a high standing in social circles, no matter who they are, get more attention than they deserve because women LOVE the social status of the guy in-question.
Last month I was privvy to a lot of Facebook feeds from young women (19-24) who were out at a nightclub to see some so-called famous Y-list celebrity.
One of the girls went back to his hotel, took pictures of him in bed etc, got a kiss, easily gave him a blowjob and sex and decided to cheer about it.
The guy is a typical hipster twat as far as I am concerned but he is “on the telly!” and is “so hawt babes” (real words these women use) and they dont even know him past that.
The real joke here? They are all on degree courses and wonder why they are single.
I dont despise them, I pity them and smile as I go about my day because I’d rather avoid being with a cunt than being miserable.[/quote]
Damn, hit the nail square on the head!!!
[quote]harrypotter wrote:
Orion, I am not as old as you but I have seen too many instances where just blaming the woman as the root cause of problems in the dating, relationship and sex areas isn’t really delving into the real reasons.
You go out to a bar or club on any given night where there is a lot of men and women.
What do you see? I see men trying too hard to impress women they don’t know, all in the pursuit of a bit of fanny and anything else that gives a man that good feeling.
“Can I buy you a drink?” “Hey who are you?” etc…
Now you take one woman, nothing special at all about her and its a night out. Now if she doesn’t close herself off completely with a multi-woman bitch field of lesbian proportions, she will get at least 5 guys hitting on her with no effort on her behalf whatsoever.
If you did the same thing as a man, you get…? Nothing.
Unless you bump into someone that knows you but that is besides the point. Random women will not approach you like random men approach women.
Think about it, if 5 women approached you every time you went out, bought you drinks and you wanted to fuck them, how long would it take before you started to create a “no thanks” type of shit list which you will automatically check off in your head whenever a woman approaches you?
I have done little nerdish experiments to test this and if you do nothing as a man, the woman isn’t going to jump on you unless you’re lucky and she just wants to fuck.
A woman can go into any bar and club, sit on her arse and do nothing but she is almost guaranteed a man.
Men are the problem, they fuss about getting women no matter what, even the ugly ones these days are talking about standards, when in the fuck did this start?
Online dating is a cess pit of this crap. Create a female profile on POF and within 10 minutes you will have more mail than any given male on the site.
Dont even get me started on places like Adult friend Finder, the motherload of all pond life can be found on those types of sites and women who wouldn’t get a second glance are bombarded by desperate men.
I’ve found that testosterone makes men desperate, women can control it to a point but it is different for them.
They will rip their friends apart to get a man with fame and fortune. Men with a high standing in social circles, no matter who they are, get more attention than they deserve because women LOVE the social status of the guy in-question.
Last month I was privvy to a lot of Facebook feeds from young women (19-24) who were out at a nightclub to see some so-called famous Y-list celebrity.
One of the girls went back to his hotel, took pictures of him in bed etc, got a kiss, easily gave him a blowjob and sex and decided to cheer about it.
The guy is a typical hipster twat as far as I am concerned but he is “on the telly!” and is “so hawt babes” (real words these women use) and they dont even know him past that.
The real joke here? They are all on degree courses and wonder why they are single.
I dont despise them, I pity them and smile as I go about my day because I’d rather avoid being with a cunt than being miserable.[/quote]
Yeah, you know, that is why I dont do clubs or online dating.
A women is showered with attention and believes she is a 14 when she is around 6ish.
It is no wonder women in their 20s love clubs, how would you feel if every 5 minutes a girl came by asking to suck your dick?
You need an environment where you can play your strong cards, in my case, I need her alone and 10 minutes to talk to her.
Someone else might be the life of the party, someone else might be the the drummer of the band at the aftershow party, it does not matter, avoid the environments where she is put on a pedestal, get her to an environment where you are the shit.
Even better, be good at what you do and let them come to you.
What people do not understand is that appealing to all women is pointless.
Lets talk bodybuilders.
98% of all women do not care or are repulsed at the extreme level.
Does not matter.
In Vienna alone that means 2 million people, which is 1 million women and 2% is still 20000.
Lets say 30% of that is smashable, that still leaves 6300 which WILL ACTIVELY SEEK YOU OUT IF YOU ARE SWOLE.
There is no way that you could handle all that that tanned, depilated and toned, um…, female attention?
So, dont be the MeToo product, be the Ipad.
Be the stuff people wait in line for for days and pay twice the reasonable price for.
Be Apple, not Medion or whatever.
Find your niche and hit it hard.
Clubs will never be your niche, that is girl territory.
[quote]harrypotter wrote:
even the ugly ones these days are talking about standards, when in the fuck did this start?
[/quote]
My favorite line.
[quote]optheta wrote:
Orion is a man well versed in the game, this is all the stuff that I have been reading about and trying to do. But god dam its hard as fuck to implement into the real world.
[/quote]
No, it is not, that is all in your head.
if you are just an average guy, you will probably get three invitations a week.
Seriously.
You just dont notice it.
Get a bit into body language and at least believe that for some women you are the hot stuff and you will notice it.
The thing is that women are so much better at that stuff that they are almost dry humping you from their perspective and you just dont get it.
A girl has her pride, you know?
If you have just the slightest inclination that yes, she means you, go for it.
But, go for it with a specific mindset, the USS Opheta will not go under with a dire “blub” or with her captain wailing, oh no, she will strikeout with all her guns firng and her banner flapping proudly in the wind.
Cause, if you strike out, strike out spectacularly.
Like a boss.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]LoRez wrote:
(Referring to orions post about 4 up from here)
Again, that’s not even really game. That’s playing by biological and social rules that exist, no matter how much you want to pretend they don’t.
[/quote]
Hell yeah, these days it is.
Or do you seriously doubt that in this day and age what I just told him will give him a major advantage over the next AFC?
I dont want to frighten him, I want him to test the waters for a paradigm shift.
[/quote]
I couldn’t get the tone right with how I worded it. I’m in agreement with you. That was great advice.
What was really just implying is there’s just nothing magical about it, it’s not a bunch of special tricks and techniques, it’s just how people actually are.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]optheta wrote:
Orion is a man well versed in the game, this is all the stuff that I have been reading about and trying to do. But god dam its hard as fuck to implement into the real world.
[/quote]
No, it is not, that is all in your head.
if you are just an average guy, you will probably get three invitations a week.
Seriously.
You just dont notice it.
Get a bit into body language and at least believe that for some women you are the hot stuff and you will notice it.
The thing is that women are so much better at that stuff that they are almost dry humping you from their perspective and you just dont get it.
A girl has her pride, you know?
If you have just the slightest inclination that yes, she means you, go for it.
But, go for it with a specific mindset, the USS Opheta will not go under with a dire “blub” or with her captain wailing, oh no, she will strikeout with all her guns firng and her banner flapping proudly in the wind.
Cause, if you strike out, strike out spectacularly.
Like a boss. [/quote]
Body Language man, its hard to read it properly.
[quote]optheta wrote:
Im curious how many guys on T-Nation got Game when it comes to women? Were you a natural or did you read up on it and learn it through going out alot and getting better?
And how many of you got no game and just sort of fell into your relationship or whatever you have at the moment?
[/quote]
I’m not a man but my husband is. When we first met, he tried to impress me with all kinds of game ie “being busy” when he really wasn’t, trying to get me to chase him, acting like he wasn’t too interested in me even though I knew that he was. It was annoying on a whole new level. Now, I knew what he was like with other people and that deep down he was a super funny and sincere guy that had deep respect for a good woman so I gave it a little longer. He eventually dropped the act and showed me the man that I fell in love with. Me, I don’t like game at all; it is not appealing to me and I would run for the hills if I thought someone was playing me. Sincerity, the ability to make me laugh and genuinely caring about my happiness and well-being are among the top things that I would look for over a sweet talker. I think I’d say that we fell into our relationship more than anything.
[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
[quote]Anonymity wrote:
Got into a serious relationship with a 9/10. She ripped my heart out.
Now I’m an emotional wreck because I realize the ease it takes to fuck random women who are already in “relationships” and know it will be most likely be done to me.
Now I can’t even bring myself to sleep with women I have in the bag basically. I have passed on 3 different sure-fire one-night stands in the past couple months(they were all 6’s at best).
Emotionally fucked.
Don’t have desire for a relationship of any sort anymore.[/quote]
Basically this [1]
Lies! There are no 9/10’s in New Brunswick.
Just messing with you. Mostly. lol
-
/quote ↩︎
[quote]LoRez wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]LoRez wrote:
(Referring to orions post about 4 up from here)
Again, that’s not even really game. That’s playing by biological and social rules that exist, no matter how much you want to pretend they don’t.
[/quote]
Hell yeah, these days it is.
Or do you seriously doubt that in this day and age what I just told him will give him a major advantage over the next AFC?
I dont want to frighten him, I want him to test the waters for a paradigm shift.
[/quote]
I couldn’t get the tone right with how I worded it. I’m in agreement with you. That was great advice.
What was really just implying is there’s just nothing magical about it, it’s not a bunch of special tricks and techniques, it’s just how people actually are. [/quote]
The thing is, I dont see the distinction.
You can draw your lines where you want to, but whats the difference?
Body language works because people are who they are.
Voice projection works because people are who they are.
The same is true for situational alphaness, social proof, preselection and whatnot.
Ultimately you work with the human mind, at whatever level.
Everyone does it, so you do it with a little bit of more awareness.
So?
The average 13 year old girl is still better than you at that.
<------ still serious.
[quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:
[quote]optheta wrote:
Im curious how many guys on T-Nation got Game when it comes to women? Were you a natural or did you read up on it and learn it through going out alot and getting better?
And how many of you got no game and just sort of fell into your relationship or whatever you have at the moment?
[/quote]
I’m not a man but my husband is. When we first met, he tried to impress me with all kinds of game ie “being busy” when he really wasn’t, trying to get me to chase him, acting like he wasn’t too interested in me even though I knew that he was. It was annoying on a whole new level. Now, I knew what he was like with other people and that deep down he was a super funny and sincere guy that had deep respect for a good woman so I gave it a little longer. He eventually dropped the act and showed me the man that I fell in love with. Me, I don’t like game at all; it is not appealing to me and I would run for the hills if I thought someone was playing me. Sincerity, the ability to make me laugh and genuinely caring about my happiness and well-being are among the top things that I would look for over a sweet talker. I think I’d say that we fell into our relationship more than anything.[/quote]
So…
It worked?
your best male friend would help you bury a body. Your best female friend…would help you make a cake.