[quote]LoRez wrote:
All that being said, I’m now 98% sure she’s played me, based on stuff that happened tonight.[/quote]
Update on this.
There was that 2% chance I was wrong… and it turns out I was wrong.
Other than basically calling someone out on suspicious behavior and gauging their response, is there really any other effective way to determine if someone is or isn’t playing you or leading you on? (Or cheating on you, for that matter.)
[quote]LoRez wrote:
[quote]LoRez wrote:
All that being said, I’m now 98% sure she’s played me, based on stuff that happened tonight.[/quote]
Update on this.
There was that 2% chance I was wrong… and it turns out I was wrong.
[/quote]
So you say…
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]LoRez wrote:
[quote]LoRez wrote:
All that being said, I’m now 98% sure she’s played me, based on stuff that happened tonight.[/quote]
Update on this.
There was that 2% chance I was wrong… and it turns out I was wrong.
[/quote]
So you say…[/quote]
Yeah, I know, right?
But I’m pretty certain. She was angry and upset enough that she seems to genuinely care what I think of her, that she cares if I trust her, and that she respects me. Angry enough that she didn’t want to ever have anything to do with me. And with some damage control I fixed that, and she’s contacted me twice since then.
So I’m pretty certain.
[quote]LoRez wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]LoRez wrote:
[quote]LoRez wrote:
All that being said, I’m now 98% sure she’s played me, based on stuff that happened tonight.[/quote]
Update on this.
There was that 2% chance I was wrong… and it turns out I was wrong.
[/quote]
So you say…[/quote]
Yeah, I know, right?
But I’m pretty certain. She was angry and upset enough that she seems to genuinely care what I think of her, that she cares if I trust her, and that she respects me. Angry enough that she didn’t want to ever have anything to do with me. And with some damage control I fixed that, and she’s contacted me twice since then.
So I’m pretty certain.[/quote]
You “fixed” nothing.
She says whatever falls out of her mouth and if it seems to have an impact she will keep on saying it.
So first you were all like 1 in 50 and now that off chance suddenly became your reality?
Win the lottery much?
Until you did the nasty, you are just mentally masturbating.
So, did you lay the pipe good and hard or did you not?
Because if you did not, you iz being kept on hold while big bad alpha decides whether she is just a cum dump or more.
Could you please NEXT this damaged slut and find at least a somewhat nice girl whose hamster is not spinning on warp 9?
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]LoRez wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]LoRez wrote:
[quote]LoRez wrote:
All that being said, I’m now 98% sure she’s played me, based on stuff that happened tonight.[/quote]
Update on this.
There was that 2% chance I was wrong… and it turns out I was wrong.
[/quote]
So you say…[/quote]
Yeah, I know, right?
But I’m pretty certain. She was angry and upset enough that she seems to genuinely care what I think of her, that she cares if I trust her, and that she respects me. Angry enough that she didn’t want to ever have anything to do with me. And with some damage control I fixed that, and she’s contacted me twice since then.
So I’m pretty certain.[/quote]
You “fixed” nothing.
She says whatever falls out of her mouth and if it seems to have an impact she will keep on saying it.
So first you were all like 1 in 50 and now that off chance suddenly became your reality?
Win the lottery much?
Until you did the nasty, you are just mentally masturbating.
So, did you lay the pipe good and hard or did you not?
Because if you did not, you iz being kept on hold while big bad alpha decides whether she is just a cum dump or more.
Could you please NEXT this damaged slut and find at least a somewhat nice girl whose hamster is not spinning on warp 9?[/quote]
Nice girls aren’t any fun.
[quote]LoRez wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]LoRez wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]LoRez wrote:
[quote]LoRez wrote:
All that being said, I’m now 98% sure she’s played me, based on stuff that happened tonight.[/quote]
Update on this.
There was that 2% chance I was wrong… and it turns out I was wrong.
[/quote]
So you say…[/quote]
Yeah, I know, right?
But I’m pretty certain. She was angry and upset enough that she seems to genuinely care what I think of her, that she cares if I trust her, and that she respects me. Angry enough that she didn’t want to ever have anything to do with me. And with some damage control I fixed that, and she’s contacted me twice since then.
So I’m pretty certain.[/quote]
You “fixed” nothing.
She says whatever falls out of her mouth and if it seems to have an impact she will keep on saying it.
So first you were all like 1 in 50 and now that off chance suddenly became your reality?
Win the lottery much?
Until you did the nasty, you are just mentally masturbating.
So, did you lay the pipe good and hard or did you not?
Because if you did not, you iz being kept on hold while big bad alpha decides whether she is just a cum dump or more.
Could you please NEXT this damaged slut and find at least a somewhat nice girl whose hamster is not spinning on warp 9?[/quote]
Nice girls aren’t any fun.[/quote]
That is actually not true.
You can find a nice girl and utterly corrupt her.
In a good way.
The fact that you do not enjoy awakening the slumbering sexuality in a shy, slightly ackward girl just goes to show that you are not comfortable with the lecherous beast that you, at least in part, are.
You want to the crazy to come from the girl, it should come from you.
Controlled by you.
Its we will rock you, not, you will rock me:
Hahaha. Reading way too much into what I do say, and not enough into what I don’t. But the tangents are completely worth the laughs.
But ok, I’ll bite.
[quote]orion wrote:
You can find a nice girl and utterly corrupt her.
In a good way. [/quote]
Been there, done that. And they’re really just not as fun as the crazy ones. But you’re right, they are fun.
On the other hand, the nice ones are harder to kick out than the crazy ones. Whereas the crazy ones are more likely to stab you [with a fucking gel pen, repeatedly].
[quote]orion wrote:
You “fixed” nothing. [/quote]
Meh. She was angry and wanted nothing to do with me. But I went around her authority and managed to see her again anyway; she was impressed I pulled that off – still angry, but amused – and she got a sincere apology out of it. And then we messed around a bit. And then I walked away. Now she’s contacting me.
Not sure I did anything wrong there.
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makes this part
[quote]
Been there, done that. And they’re really just not as fun as the crazy ones.[/quote]
quite doubtful.
She’s not a princess
You’re neither a knight nor a troubadour.
the 12th century ended long ago.
If you have to suffer, even a little, to get her attention and favors, then she doesn’t deserve yours.
[quote]kamui wrote:
this part
makes this part
Um, but I seriously offended her, and then created an opportunity to apologize. Not the same thing, is it?
[quote]LoRez wrote:
[quote]kamui wrote:
If you have to suffer, even a little, to get her attention and favors, then she doesn’t deserve yours.
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Um, but I seriously offended her, and then created an opportunity to apologize. Not the same thing, is it?[/quote]
It’s not necessarily the same thing.
But that’s not the whole story either.
The problem is not so much what you did, but what happened in your bewitched mind between the offense and the apology.
I mean, you were dazed and confused enough to post about it on TNation. If that’s not a symptom, then i don’t know what could be 
[quote]kamui wrote:
[quote]LoRez wrote:
[quote]kamui wrote:
If you have to suffer, even a little, to get her attention and favors, then she doesn’t deserve yours.
[/quote]
Um, but I seriously offended her, and then created an opportunity to apologize. Not the same thing, is it?[/quote]
It’s not necessarily the same thing.
But that’s not the whole story either.
The problem is not so much what you did, but what happened in your bewitched mind between the offense and the apology.
I mean, you were dazed and confused enough to post about it on TNation. If that’s not a symptom, then i don’t know what could be :)[/quote]
Dazed and confused? Earlier, sure. Not about that though, at least I don’t think so. Mostly, I was just trying to maintain some continuity in this thread after the “yeah, it’s over, I was too emotionally invested” post. At this point, I’m quite fine with where things are.
The offense was calculated (? not quite the right term.) I implied that she was playing me, that I couldn’t trust her, and that I was done with this. Her reaction was telling. If she didn’t care, I was done. If she actually got upset, but made excuses or denied things or tried to redirect me or [etc. etc.], I was done. But she responded as I hoped she did – as a normal person to a false accusation – and an apology was in order.
Between the “I’m too invested” post and that, I had to get myself to the point where I could just walk away. I needed to stay calm while her emotions ran high. In the end, I got the answer/s I was looking for, and I sincerely apologized for having offended her. It was an extreme approach on my part, but I think it was necessary to get a truthful answer. I don’t know if there was a gentler way to do that.
But certainly I could be oblivious to my own subtext.
[quote]LoRez wrote:
Hahaha. Reading way too much into what I do say, and not enough into what I don’t. But the tangents are completely worth the laughs.
But ok, I’ll bite.
[quote]orion wrote:
You can find a nice girl and utterly corrupt her.
In a good way. [/quote]
Been there, done that. And they’re really just not as fun as the crazy ones. But you’re right, they are fun.
On the other hand, the nice ones are harder to kick out than the crazy ones. Whereas the crazy ones are more likely to stab you [with a fucking gel pen, repeatedly].
[quote]orion wrote:
You “fixed” nothing. [/quote]
Meh. She was angry and wanted nothing to do with me. But I went around her authority and managed to see her again anyway; she was impressed I pulled that off – still angry, but amused – and she got a sincere apology out of it. And then we messed around a bit. And then I walked away. Now she’s contacting me.
Not sure I did anything wrong there.[/quote]
It is clear how you attract the crazy ones.
[quote]LoRez wrote:
[quote]Kakarat wrote:
I’ve seen that a sexy women who’s confidence stems from that is a manipulator (more than once). And I don’t believe most of these women do it purposely even if they are conscious of their ability. I wish I could think of a physically attractive women who knows she has options, but isn’t a manipulator. However, I can’t.[/quote]
I’ve seen the same, for the most part.
I’ve also seen a few exceptions. These are the rare physically attractive girl that was in a LTR, is now out, and looking for another one. She doesn’t realize, yet, how much power she has.
I guess in a very real sense, “absolute power corrupts absolutely” is pretty applicable here.
I tend to see this in younger girls though; give them a few years of bad relationships (I use that term loosely), and the ones who survive that with their self-worth intact tend to be both attractive and genuinely ready for LTRs.[/quote]
They probably realize the power and simply choose not to exercise it. I have always much preferred not to be hounded and hunted by strangers for sex. It has zero appeal to me. Most women don’t need to be treated like shit in order to want something warm and fulfilling. It’s the difference between a cold, dark night, where unseen things lurk, and a bright sunny day.
[quote]LoRez wrote:
[quote]LoRez wrote:
All that being said, I’m now 98% sure she’s played me, based on stuff that happened tonight.[/quote]
Update on this.
There was that 2% chance I was wrong… and it turns out I was wrong.
Other than basically calling someone out on suspicious behavior and gauging their response, is there really any other effective way to determine if someone is or isn’t playing you or leading you on? (Or cheating on you, for that matter.)[/quote]
“Where there’s doubt there is no doubt”
You’ll come back in two weeks with your dick in your hand and you’ll be a better man for it.
I’ve had this profile for a long long time and leeched my fair share of knowledge off this forum, but now I feel compelled to share my own experiences…
Talk about manipulating?
I live in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, and let’s just say that “game” here is quite different from US standards. Anyway, There was this chick at my gym I’ve been crazy to bang since I was like 17, and since then she always kinda kept me close - even though she dated a douchebag. Earlier this year, they broke up and I finally had my shot at getting my dick wet. Let me just cut this story short and tell you I played the nicest boy in town. She’d come over, fuck, and leave. And I would text her the nicest things in the planet, since I still hadn’t had such quality ass in my lifetime.
Last time she slept over, she told me she really liked me and were “really into us” - keep I mind I was still playing nice guy. Fast forward two weeks, she told me she needed some time and showed up with a 35 year old dude driving a Benz.
My question is, what to do if you ACTUALLY think the girl is nice and want to keep her, but you have clear mind that if that’s not clear between you two, she might wander?
[quote]Brant2 wrote:
I’ve had this profile for a long long time and leeched my fair share of knowledge off this forum, but now I feel compelled to share my own experiences…
Talk about manipulating?
I live in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, and let’s just say that “game” here is quite different from US standards. Anyway, There was this chick at my gym I’ve been crazy to bang since I was like 17, and since then she always kinda kept me close - even though she dated a douchebag. Earlier this year, they broke up and I finally had my shot at getting my dick wet. Let me just cut this story short and tell you I played the nicest boy in town. She’d come over, fuck, and leave. And I would text her the nicest things in the planet, since I still hadn’t had such quality ass in my lifetime.
Last time she slept over, she told me she really liked me and were “really into us” - keep I mind I was still playing nice guy. Fast forward two weeks, she told me she needed some time and showed up with a 35 year old dude driving a Benz.
My question is, what to do if you ACTUALLY think the girl is nice and want to keep her, but you have clear mind that if that’s not clear between you two, she might wander?[/quote]
Get a Benz?
It sounds like she’s really just looking for excitement. Not potential, not niceness, but excitement. And it doesn’t sound like you’ve quite done that for her. She talks like she wants to settle down, but she’s not acting it. Pay attention to her actions and feed into that, not her words.
What is it that makes you desirable to her? Figure that out, and then keep her hooked. It sounds like you were just “the nice guy that was always there for her” – her back up plan. But if you can turn the tables where she’s seeking you out, you’ll be better off. Quite literally, you need to convince her that you’re higher status than she is, and get her chasing you. Then, if and when she feels like settling down, you’re already there.
[quote]LoRez wrote:
[quote]Brant2 wrote:
I’ve had this profile for a long long time and leeched my fair share of knowledge off this forum, but now I feel compelled to share my own experiences…
Talk about manipulating?
I live in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, and let’s just say that “game” here is quite different from US standards. Anyway, There was this chick at my gym I’ve been crazy to bang since I was like 17, and since then she always kinda kept me close - even though she dated a douchebag. Earlier this year, they broke up and I finally had my shot at getting my dick wet. Let me just cut this story short and tell you I played the nicest boy in town. She’d come over, fuck, and leave. And I would text her the nicest things in the planet, since I still hadn’t had such quality ass in my lifetime.
Last time she slept over, she told me she really liked me and were “really into us” - keep I mind I was still playing nice guy. Fast forward two weeks, she told me she needed some time and showed up with a 35 year old dude driving a Benz.
My question is, what to do if you ACTUALLY think the girl is nice and want to keep her, but you have clear mind that if that’s not clear between you two, she might wander?[/quote]
Get a Benz?
It sounds like she’s really just looking for excitement. Not potential, not niceness, but excitement. And it doesn’t sound like you’ve quite done that for her. She talks like she wants to settle down, but she’s not acting it. Pay attention to her actions and feed into that, not her words.
What is it that makes you desirable to her? Figure that out, and then keep her hooked. It sounds like you were just “the nice guy that was always there for her” – her back up plan. But if you can turn the tables where she’s seeking you out, you’ll be better off. Quite literally, you need to convince her that you’re higher status than she is, and get her chasing you. Then, if and when she feels like settling down, you’re already there.[/quote]
Me and her are through, man. That happened over four months ago, and after that her dad died, she lost her job, quit the gym, moved (I think). Turns out I didn’t really care anything except the sex, which I would like to have kept on having. The only contact I have with her is through Facebook, which I barely use anyway.
My whole point is when a chick like her (hot, gym rat, nice going) comes around, I find myself picking the way I should approach them, do you get my point? That’s not the case with regular chicks, or even hot chicks that show beforehand they’re attracted to me - this happens not just with me, but with every single guy here, A LOT.
[quote]Brant2 wrote:
Me and her are through, man. That happened over four months ago, and after that her dad died, she lost her job, quit the gym, moved (I think). Turns out I didn’t really care anything except the sex, which I would like to have kept on having. The only contact I have with her is through Facebook, which I barely use anyway.
My whole point is when a chick like her (hot, gym rat, nice going) comes around, I find myself picking the way I should approach them, do you get my point? That’s not the case with regular chicks, or even hot chicks that show beforehand they’re attracted to me - this happens not just with me, but with every single guy here, A LOT.
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So, just stop?
Anything else is fine but with generic fit chick you lose your mojo?
[quote]Brant2 wrote:
My whole point is when a chick like her (hot, gym rat, nice going) comes around, I find myself picking the way I should approach them, do you get my point?[/quote]
No, I don’t understand what you’re saying.
[quote]That’s not the case with regular chicks, or even hot chicks that show beforehand they’re attracted to me - this happens not just with me, but with every single guy here, A LOT.
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[quote]orion wrote:
Anything else is fine but with generic fit chick you lose your mojo?[/quote]
I shit you not. Not “generic”, but those 20-somethings that look like they come straight out of a hip hop video or a Miami Dolphin Cheerleaders poster.
[quote]LoRez wrote:
[quote]Brant2 wrote:
My whole point is when a chick like her (hot, gym rat, nice going) comes around, I find myself picking the way I should approach them, do you get my point?[/quote]
No, I don’t understand what you’re saying.
[quote]That’s not the case with regular chicks, or even hot chicks that show beforehand they’re attracted to me - this happens not just with me, but with every single guy here, A LOT.
[/quote]
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What I’m saying is when I actually have to put some effort into making my way into their pants, I get off base. Opposed to the times when I know it’ll be as simple as “What are you doing later on?”, and that’s pretty much it.
The whole thing spins around availability, I guess. I live in a city where there are 8 girls to EVERY dude, and women has come fairly easy to me my whole life, so I never had to break a sweat to have a 7-8/10 around. But then it comes to 9+, and I have to carve my way in, I stall.