[quote]orion wrote:
You are both wrong.
If she is mildly interested you can stoke that flame.
Which brings us back to the main question, what makes a vagina tingle?
Or, which is basically the same question, how does a socially dominant primate behave towards a primate of lower rank?
[/quote]
I am utterly dumbfounded that you haven’t had great success with women. LOL
Deb!!!
[quote]debraD wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
You are both wrong.
If she is mildly interested you can stoke that flame.
Which brings us back to the main question, what makes a vagina tingle?
Or, which is basically the same question, how does a socially dominant primate behave towards a primate of lower rank?
[/quote]
I am utterly dumbfounded that you haven’t had great success with women. LOL
[/quote]
I am utterly dumbfounded that you paid so much for a crystal ball just to have it malfunction so alarmingly.
Is it shiny?
Does it look good at a coffee table?
Does it match the curtains?
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
[quote]Makavali wrote:
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
[quote]Makavali wrote:
[quote]optheta wrote:
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
[quote]Makavali wrote:
[quote]optheta wrote:
[quote]Makavali wrote:
Here is my “game” in a nutshell:
If she doesn’t have anything interesting to say, I’m out.
No, I don’t care about that “bitch from work”.
It’s worked out pretty well for me overall.[/quote]
I find boobs and a nice body interesting.[/quote]
Boobs and a nice body is what gets you interested, now give me a compelling reason to stick around?[/quote]
Is that a trick question? The answer is obviously da vagine.[/quote]
This guy gets it.[/quote]
In all honesty, how old are you guys?
Yes, a banging body will give me a good reason to plant my flag, but what then? I personally have limited tolerance for vapid comments that a lot of people in general make.[/quote]
I’m 19. I wasn’t full on serious but that goal has merit. Serious question, what the hell do you want out of it when you talk to someone?[/quote]
I’ll tell you what I don’t want, since that’s easier: the urge to stab the talking party in the neck with a pencil.
But you’re 19, so what you’re saying makes sense.[/quote]
LOL I actually like to just talk to people believe it or not[/quote]
What kind of crazy backwards shit is this?!
[quote] orion wrote:
You are both wrong.
If she is mildly interested you can stoke that flame.
Which brings us back to the main question, what makes a vagina tingle?
Or, which is basically the same question, how does a socially dominant primate behave towards a primate of lower rank?
[/quote]
I’m hoping you’re going to actually answer that.
Physical dominance (within limits) is one approach that seems to work, at least once that’s an option.
Socially, I’m not really sure.
[quote]LoRez wrote:
[quote] orion wrote:
You are both wrong.
If she is mildly interested you can stoke that flame.
Which brings us back to the main question, what makes a vagina tingle?
Or, which is basically the same question, how does a socially dominant primate behave towards a primate of lower rank?
[/quote]
I’m hoping you’re going to actually answer that.
Physical dominance (within limits) is one approach that seems to work, at least once that’s an option.
Socially, I’m not really sure.[/quote]
The fact of the matter is that you basically need two things.
You need to understand the hypergamic urges of women and frame control.
What women look for in a man are signs of social dominance. Now, if muscles, or a job title, or a car make you confident because you believe it gives yourself value, you have ticked of one box.
What you also need is controlled aggression, a sense of purpose, a certain aloofness (because high ranking primates dont give a shit about low ranking ones, that includes humans) outcome independence (all the hot chimpanzee ladies want you anyway, so why fret over one?) and a certain sense of entitlement and a narcisstic streak wont hurt either.
Now the thing is, how does she know?
First, by evaluating how men react to you.
Then, if you passed that test by shit-testing.
The reason are so much better in non verbal communication is that they constantly create situations where you have to prove that you have more value than her, at least in her mind.
The only way to pass a shittest is to behave in a way that indicates higher social value.
She flakes? —> you are off
She tries to constantly shift the time of a date? ----> you give her two options when you time, you have more important things to do.
She blows something out of proportion and goes apeshit? ----> you go what!?!, state your point and do never lose your frame.
She accuses you of being a sexist pig, filthy capitalist? ----> you go, damn right I am, thank you.
She tells you that she has a laundry list of requirements for a relationship? —> you ask her if she wants you to introduce her to a few friends of yours.
You recognize a shit test if she is up in arms at one moment and as soon as she has your answer, or depending on the severity, a few days later, the topic never comes up again.
That is purely instinctive behavior, though a lot of women are semi aware of it, and it is an emotional psycho sexual sonar. Women are so good at reading non verbal communication because they need a fine tuned receiver for their constant social pinging.
Warning: Every now and then you actually have fucked up. Then you can do something, which will blow her mind, like apologizing sincerely. The minute she gets that you are not perturbed by her drama, your apologies actually mean something.
So, why does she do that?
Because her instincts tell her to get an as high ranking male as she can possibly get, the things is, human social hierarchies are highly volatile. A woman that would have paired off, or remained faithful to a man that was exhibiting signs of low social dominance was sure to have less and less fit offspring. So, she will mate upwards, with as high a male as she can get and if her big bad alpha is wounded and slides down the hierarchy, she will leave him IF she has better options.
When do women today leave their men?
Sudden loss of status, like when they lose their jobs. It is not the job loss per se, it is his changed behavior.
How does frame control come into this?
Because your reality has to be stronger than hers.
If for example you posted something on a website and you got two pages describing in detail what a miserable cunt, asshole, if not worse!!!, you really are and you stick to your point, you will notice that after a time there will be people posting “yeah, he is a cunt, but he might have a point” and after that the “I dont see how he is a cunt, just because he is keeping it real” comments come in.
The thing is, neither point is right or wrong, in fact they are not mutually exclusive, they do not even have something to do with each other, this is pure primate behavior to test whose social reality is stronger.
If you can keep your frame IRL no matter what, you get da panteeez wet.
Stubborn bastards might have a bit of an advantage there.
TL;DR: She is a guest in your reality and you will treat her as such. Meaning, she can earn certain privileges and you can be kind and polite, but not submissive, defering, overly invested and or, heaven forbid, you start qualifying yourself to her.
In your reality you are the king of the hill, the alpha and omega, the Lord Protector of the Realm, Defender of the Faith, the Silverback guarding his harem, the Lion watching over his pride.
You are the shit and she has to prove herself to YOU.
How much shit does anyone think this guy gets from da wimmenz?
And he has about 4.
[quote]Goodfellow wrote:
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
[quote]Makavali wrote:
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
[quote]Makavali wrote:
[quote]optheta wrote:
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
[quote]Makavali wrote:
[quote]optheta wrote:
[quote]Makavali wrote:
Here is my “game” in a nutshell:
If she doesn’t have anything interesting to say, I’m out.
No, I don’t care about that “bitch from work”.
It’s worked out pretty well for me overall.[/quote]
I find boobs and a nice body interesting.[/quote]
Boobs and a nice body is what gets you interested, now give me a compelling reason to stick around?[/quote]
Is that a trick question? The answer is obviously da vagine.[/quote]
This guy gets it.[/quote]
In all honesty, how old are you guys?
Yes, a banging body will give me a good reason to plant my flag, but what then? I personally have limited tolerance for vapid comments that a lot of people in general make.[/quote]
I’m 19. I wasn’t full on serious but that goal has merit. Serious question, what the hell do you want out of it when you talk to someone?[/quote]
I’ll tell you what I don’t want, since that’s easier: the urge to stab the talking party in the neck with a pencil.
But you’re 19, so what you’re saying makes sense.[/quote]
LOL I actually like to just talk to people believe it or not[/quote]
What kind of crazy backwards shit is this?![/quote]
dat “I need sleep and can’t comprehend the text” shit
[quote]orion wrote:
If for example you posted something on a website and you got two pages describing in detail what a miserable cunt, asshole, if not worse!!!, you really are and you stick to your point, you will notice that after a time there will be people posting “yeah, he is a cunt, but he might have a point” and after that the “I dont see how he is a cunt, just because he is keeping it real” comments come in.
[/quote]
LOL So THAT’S what happened
[quote]NAUn wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
If for example you posted something on a website and you got two pages describing in detail what a miserable cunt, asshole, if not worse!!!, you really are and you stick to your point, you will notice that after a time there will be people posting “yeah, he is a cunt, but he might have a point” and after that the “I dont see how he is a cunt, just because he is keeping it real” comments come in.
[/quote]
LOL So THAT’S what happened[/quote]
From a certain perspective yes.
From another one it is highly irrelevant.
From the “what gets the gina tingle” angle it is a moot point whether someone is right, wrong or green with yellow polka dots, the point is that a high ranking primate behaves a certain way.
Pro tip: It helps if you truly believe that you are right, but the social dynamic would still be the same if you were wrong and just stubborn (unless you are wrong, stubborn and an idiot) or highly delusional.
[quote]orion wrote:
The fact of the matter is that you basically need two things.
You need to understand the hypergamic urges of women and frame control.
What women look for in a man are signs of social dominance. Now, if muscles, or a job title, or a car make you confident because you believe it gives yourself value, you have ticked of one box.
What you also need is controlled aggression, a sense of purpose, a certain aloofness (because high ranking primates dont give a shit about low ranking ones, that includes humans) outcome independence (all the hot chimpanzee ladies want you anyway, so why fret over one?) and a certain sense of entitlement and a narcisstic streak wont hurt either.
Now the thing is, how does she know?
First, by evaluating how men react to you.
Then, if you passed that test by shit-testing.
The reason are so much better in non verbal communication is that they constantly create situations where you have to prove that you have more value than her, at least in her mind.
The only way to pass a shittest is to behave in a way that indicates higher social value.
She flakes? —> you are off
She tries to constantly shift the time of a date? ----> you give her two options when you time, you have more important things to do.
She blows something out of proportion and goes apeshit? ----> you go what!?!, state your point and do never lose your frame.
She accuses you of being a sexist pig, filthy capitalist? ----> you go, damn right I am, thank you.
She tells you that she has a laundry list of requirements for a relationship? —> you ask her if she wants you to introduce her to a few friends of yours.
You recognize a shit test if she is up in arms at one moment and as soon as she has your answer, or depending on the severity, a few days later, the topic never comes up again.
That is purely instinctive behavior, though a lot of women are semi aware of it, and it is an emotional psycho sexual sonar. Women are so good at reading non verbal communication because they need a fine tuned receiver for their constant social pinging.
Warning: Every now and then you actually have fucked up. Then you can do something, which will blow her mind, like apologizing sincerely. The minute she gets that you are not perturbed by her drama, your apologies actually mean something.
So, why does she do that?
Because her instincts tell her to get an as high ranking male as she can possibly get, the things is, human social hierarchies are highly volatile. A woman that would have paired off, or remained faithful to a man that was exhibiting signs of low social dominance was sure to have less and less fit offspring. So, she will mate upwards, with as high a male as she can get and if her big bad alpha is wounded and slides down the hierarchy, she will leave him IF she has better options.
When do women today leave their men?
Sudden loss of status, like when they lose their jobs. It is not the job loss per se, it is his changed behavior.
How does frame control come into this?
Because your reality has to be stronger than hers.
If for example you posted something on a website and you got two pages describing in detail what a miserable cunt, asshole, if not worse!!!, you really are and you stick to your point, you will notice that after a time there will be people posting “yeah, he is a cunt, but he might have a point” and after that the “I dont see how he is a cunt, just because he is keeping it real” comments come in.
The thing is, neither point is right or wrong, in fact they are not mutually exclusive, they do not even have something to do with each other, this is pure primate behavior to test whose social reality is stronger.
If you can keep your frame IRL no matter what, you get da panteeez wet.
Stubborn bastards might have a bit of an advantage there.
TL;DR: She is a guest in your reality and you will treat her as such. Meaning, she can earn certain privileges and you can be kind and polite, but not submissive, defering, overly invested and or, heaven forbid, you start qualifying yourself to her.
In your reality you are the king of the hill, the alpha and omega, the Lord Protector of the Realm, Defender of the Faith, the Silverback guarding his harem, the Lion watching over his pride.
You are the shit and she has to prove herself to YOU.
[/quote]
This was well done.
Maximizing opposite-sex encounters mostly comes down to being physically attractive (largely genetic but being lean/fit can only help) and projecting exactly this alpha-type stance. And while this latter comes more naturally to some than others, it should be accessible across the board.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Makavali wrote:
[quote]optheta wrote:
[quote]Makavali wrote:
Here is my “game” in a nutshell:
If she doesn’t have anything interesting to say, I’m out.
No, I don’t care about that “bitch from work”.
It’s worked out pretty well for me overall.[/quote]
I find boobs and a nice body interesting.[/quote]
Boobs and a nice body is what gets you interested, now give me a compelling reason to stick around?[/quote]
Ah, but this is what is interesting.
Women want a man with humor, maybe a goof job, maybe intelligent, but it does not make them wet.
We all know that men are willing to put up with quite a lot of crap in order to bed a hot woman, what about women who put up with a lot of crap to get laid by a certain man?
In short, what you get as an answer when you ask what a woman wants on a man are the same attributes that could make you her very, very, very, good friend.
If you cannot be that, you are not LTR material.
Howver, this does not make them drip and the 60000$ question is, what does?[/quote]
I’m not very good at putting up with crap. Once you put 7 billion people into perspective, you realize we’re all pretty disposable.
Finding another woman? Well, there’s only 3.5 billion available, right?
[quote]Makavali wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Makavali wrote:
[quote]optheta wrote:
[quote]Makavali wrote:
Here is my “game” in a nutshell:
If she doesn’t have anything interesting to say, I’m out.
No, I don’t care about that “bitch from work”.
It’s worked out pretty well for me overall.[/quote]
I find boobs and a nice body interesting.[/quote]
Boobs and a nice body is what gets you interested, now give me a compelling reason to stick around?[/quote]
Ah, but this is what is interesting.
Women want a man with humor, maybe a goof job, maybe intelligent, but it does not make them wet.
We all know that men are willing to put up with quite a lot of crap in order to bed a hot woman, what about women who put up with a lot of crap to get laid by a certain man?
In short, what you get as an answer when you ask what a woman wants on a man are the same attributes that could make you her very, very, very, good friend.
If you cannot be that, you are not LTR material.
Howver, this does not make them drip and the 60000$ question is, what does?[/quote]
I’m not very good at putting up with crap. Once you put 7 billion people into perspective, you realize we’re all pretty disposable.
Finding another woman? Well, there’s only 3.5 billion available, right?[/quote]
Yeah, well, they are what they are because we are what we are.
They are the complementary sex to the most deadly ape this world has ever seen and seen this way, they look and smell pretty good, for the most part, and they have a thoroughly civilizing influence.
Well, had, until recently.
Meaning, most are not able to handle their emotions and drama in a relationships because they were specifically designed to not be able to override it consciously and the best way is for them not to even notice it fully until after menopause.
So, you got to handle it for her and you might as well find one who is worth the trouble because they are more or less all that way.
[quote]orion wrote:
First, by evaluating how men react to you. [/quote]
[quote]orion wrote:
She flakes? —> you are off
She tries to constantly shift the time of a date? ----> you give her two options when you time, you have more important things to do.
She blows something out of proportion and goes apeshit? ----> you go what!?!, state your point and do never lose your frame.
She accuses you of being a sexist pig, filthy capitalist? ----> you go, damn right I am, thank you.
She tells you that she has a laundry list of requirements for a relationship? —> you ask her if she wants you to introduce her to a few friends of yours.
You recognize a shit test if she is up in arms at one moment and as soon as she has your answer, or depending on the severity, a few days later, the topic never comes up again. [/quote]
[quote]orion wrote:
You are the shit and she has to prove herself to YOU.
[/quote]
Those are the pillars.
Assuming she’s almost as awesome as you are, but not quite as awesome.
Or so she thinks.
[quote]Kakarat wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
First, by evaluating how men react to you. [/quote]
[quote]orion wrote:
She flakes? —> you are off
She tries to constantly shift the time of a date? ----> you give her two options when you time, you have more important things to do.
She blows something out of proportion and goes apeshit? ----> you go what!?!, state your point and do never lose your frame.
She accuses you of being a sexist pig, filthy capitalist? ----> you go, damn right I am, thank you.
She tells you that she has a laundry list of requirements for a relationship? —> you ask her if she wants you to introduce her to a few friends of yours.
You recognize a shit test if she is up in arms at one moment and as soon as she has your answer, or depending on the severity, a few days later, the topic never comes up again. [/quote]
[quote]orion wrote:
You are the shit and she has to prove herself to YOU.
[/quote]
Those are the pillars.
Assuming she’s almost as awesome as you are, but not quite as awesome.
Or so she thinks. [/quote]
That actually depends on how high her value is in her own mind.
There are beautiful women who are incredibly insecure and if you only position yourself slightly above her in her mind, you would still be a piece of shit to her, just not as shitty as she sees herself.
Really not worth the trouble, but if you want to bed those, you better go full blown asshole.
That way, her self assessment and your actions fit nicely together and the poor girl does not have to battle cognitive dissonance.
In case anyone wonders how its done, this guy is pretty good:
This:
[quote]gregron wrote:
If by “Game” you mean that I am not socially inept, have people skills and am able to start up/hold a normal conversation then yes, I have that.[/quote]
And this:
[quote]batman730 wrote:
I brought this up in another thread tonight.
I honestly believe that genuine game in any area of life is just the happy byproduct of having reached a certain level of self actualization where you honestly know who you are and what you’re about and feel relatively secure in that. I’m not meaning to be trite or to suggest people don’t consciously try to develop life, relationship and interpersonal skills that don’t come naturally to them and simply be “themselves” however lame and ineffective that may be.
I just believe there’s a place of detachment (for lack of a better word) where you’re simply not overly emotionally invested in what other people do or think or what happens around you. This isn’t an over the top, in your face thing. You need people to like and approve of you if you hope to succeed and be happy. There’s just a place where your emotional well being is not tied up in whether this or that individual approves of (or has sex with) you. You take responsibility for yourself and your physical and emotional survival. You evaluate people (including yourself) and situations dispassionately according to your own values and instincts. You are aware of what you bring to the table, both strengths and weaknesses, and you are always actively looking to find ways to improve and bring more. Basically you own all your shit and leave others to own their’s or not.
You simply cannot fake this. You cannot read a book or go to a seminar and then just decide to do it. It takes time and discipline. A person who has had some success with this process will naturally begin to exhibit certain desirable traits and behaviours, some of which tend to be associated with game. They will be good under stress and at ease in unfamiliar or challenging situations. They will seem confident and attractive. They will be their own breed of cat, whatever that may be. These behaviours are, as I said, just a byproduct of this person’s internal way of being. If you find one of these people and try to mimic their traits and behaviours in some sort of a formulaic, paint by numbers system, you MAY become somewhat proficient with diligent practice and begin to reap some of the external rewards (i.e. getting laid).
However I think you will more likely come across as stilted and wooden and your game will likely fall apart when you’re under real stress. Worse, even if you do learn to act like you have game you will miss out on the real benefit of being a genuinely happy, effective internally motivated human being who isn’t jerked this way and that by every current of events or emotions that happen to swirl around them from moment to moment. Women will tend to find this guy attractive because he has real value. If you try to do this so women will be more attracted to you, you have completely missed the point.
TL:DR - Inner peace first, game will follow on it’s own.[/quote]
Be a man who women want to be with, and you’ll have women surrounding you who want to be with you.
Develop your own standards, sense of style, develop a ‘zest’ for life (as fruity as that may sound), make your own definition of what it is to be successful and make that shit happen.
A handful of books that AngryChicken recommended (among a few other posters from here are)
Iron John
Six Pillars of Self Esteem
Mind OS
How to Win Friends and Influence People (!!!)
The Secret
Talent Is Overrated
The Art of Seduction
The last one isn’t even a PUA book. It talks about seduction in every form - friendships, romantic relationships, how presidents seduce a country, etc. Ultimately, it tells us that we’re all missing something, somewhere, in our lives. (Wealth, adventure, happiness, social status, naughty experiences, etc…) Figure out what someone’s void is, and fill it. They’ll love you for it.
A lot of those books above are “self improvement” and they’ll help you become the motherfucker you want to be. There are SO many overlapping ideas in those books, it’s amazing.
The book “How to Succeed with Women” is a good start, if you want to get this stuff going after reading only a few hundred pages as opposed to the quite a few hundred pages in all of those books. It’s by no means a replacement for all of those above, though.
Implimenting the work and ideas in those books will help you kickstart one of those positive feedback loops that have been mentioned a few times previously in this thread. One self improvement will lead to another, improving one area of your life will lead to increased confidence, increased confidence leads to tackling more tasks, etc… It’s a viscious, awesome cycle.
Develop social skills. Want to be able to talk to everyone? TALK TO EVERYONE. Don’t bother with PUA openers. The best opener is being the fuckin’ man.
Whoever recommended studying body language is right. Read a few basis books and you’ll be able to piece a few pieces of her puzzle together, which, fortunately, is really all it takes.
And as far as the jacked jackie/DN/DebD V. Orion and who makes the choice of who “gets” to sleep with who…
I think it’s a case of what SteelyD said in a previous “How to be awesome” (or something like that) thread and he said “If you’re on this site, chances are you’re already trying to be awesome.” (Or something like that.)
It doesn’t take much to tell that all the 4 people listed are intelligent, deep seeded in their convictions, live life by their own rules, etc… THAT’S the type of person who makes the decision. It just so happens that, in this case, both sexes are the ones who usually make the choice. (IMO)
And as far as being a “yes” or a “no” before a guy opens his mouth, Orion brought up the best rebuttal I’ve heard to that in a long time: His previous preperations are all a part of that decision you make. That’s “game” so to speak.
The difference between one guy going to the deli on a saturday morning in sweats, the white T he wore as an undershirt, unshowered with bedhead, and mumbles his order to the person behind the counter might be a no… But if the same guy walked in with a smile and good posture, a nice outfit that fits well, asks how the person behind the counter is doing before placing his order, says thank you when he receives it, and strolls on out… that same guy might turn into a yes. But all it took to turn that no into a yes was a little preperation.
And as preperation, I mean far more than just a shower and an outfit change. Mumbling an order might signify a lack of confidence, where as not only placing an order in a loud enough voice, but asking how the server is doing might signify not only confidence, but kindness, too. Good posture generally means they’re confident, in a good mood, aren’t always “down” about everything, etc… That’s hard to fake.
There’s a LOT of preperation guys can do to make women turn those no’s into a yes. (Even if NO GIRL on earth will ever change a no to a yes once she’s made her first impression, getting your shit together will turn more initial no’s into more initial yes’.)
And guys, while we’re on the subject of getting women, chances are you could use some help on keeping women…
Here’s a post someone made quite some time ago in a SAMA thread that got a good response from the women in the thread that I thought was worth saving…
make sure he knows:
How to give a chick a good spank. A quick sting, not a flat handed thud.
Hair pulling’s been covered. Slide his hand up your scalp, letting your hair fall between his fingers, then just make a fist.
How to firmly press a chick up against a wall, hold her wrists together above her head with one hand and finger her with the other while kissing her and her neck.
For the love of everything holy show him the ‘jockey’ position… you on your stomach, legs together and him straddling your ass and have him pound away.
(Also good: the above position with one of his hands underneath your arm, under your chest, with his hand around your throat and the other hand grabbing your hair and leaning your forearm on her upper back. Between both hands, you got two pretty good handles for pulling her into you while you fuck, lol)
Similarly, make sure he knows how to choke a bitch (lol) without killing her.
On that note, tell him to fuck you like he’s trying to hurt you. (Although, with the louisville slugger in his pants, he might, lol) Tell him that’s how hard he needs to fuck a chick when he wants her to cum like a filthy little whore - as hard as he can and as fast as he can for as long as he can. Just because she’s cumming doesn’t mean you stop.
How to eat pussy. Obviously.
It’s a good idea to have had your mouth on every square inch of your womans body by the third fuck session between you two.
That women like when they’re laying on their stomach on the bed and you slide between her legs, kissing from her ankle up her leg, nibbling, before licking her pussy and ass for a quick minute, then continue kissing up her spine and up to her ears, at which point he’s slid his hard cock into her pussy and then fucks her like that.
Teach him how to finger a chicks g-spot to the point where she’s convulsing across the bed.
Tell him that when it comes to nibbling/licking, instead of always biting with your top teeth and lower teeth, use his top teeth and his tongue. This is an awesome sentsation for things like earlobes, nipples, etc…
Dirty talk. When a chick’s close to orgasm, whispering “cum for me, you filthy little whore” in her ear usually sends her over the edge.
Obviously, make sure he knows how to kiss well… lest he never reach the point of actually using his cock.
How to stand behind a chick, and run one of his hands up her chest to her throat and tilt her head back and breathe in her ear/inhale the scent of her hair while using the other to finger her/pinch her nipple/grab her hip and pull her into said monster cock, lol.
RE: the ass grabbing thing… I had one ex who said that, when I grabbed a handful of her ass where the tips of my fingers were pretty close to her pussy, and she said it’d stretch/pull her pussy when I pulled my hand outward. (Think grabbing the inside of her thigh with your fingers and your palm of your hand on her ass cheek, then firmly sliding your hand up and out toward her hip.) It never failed to turn her on. I tried it with a few other women, and it’ll get you at least a fast, deep inhale from her, lol.
I know you said you got him started lifting. Tell him to get serious about it. Women like being picked up.
When a chick is riding you, don’t just sit there. Roll/gyrate your hips with her movements (or opposite her movements) and let his hands roam.
Introduce him to the most underrated sex toy ever: full length mirrors.
How to get a bra off with one hand.
Immediately after a good fuck session and a few orgasms, her skin will be incredibly sensitive. Now’s a good time to gently kiss the inside of her thighs, hips, stomach, etc and have her giggling all over the place. And quickly beginning to squirm for another go.
Wrists and ankes: Good for applying restraints and kissing.
During missionary sex, pull your cock out so that JUST the tip of his cock is inside her. Hold still and give her a no more than 10 seconds before she lets out a ‘WHAT ARE YOU DOING?!’ and just give her a devilish grin. 30 seconds in she’ll be screaming for you to fuck her and clawing at your ass in attempt to try to pull you into her. She’ll try to inch forward, pin her down and don’t let her, or just lean back and keep her from sliding you into her.) 90 seconds will feel like an eternity of teasing for her and when you finally slide your cock back inside her, hold it in as deep as you can and gyrate your hips for a quick bit before going back to thrusting. Also, this is good for you because when you slide it back in, it usually feels tighter (IDK if she actually gets tighter, but it feels nice, lol) and it’s a good way to hold off cumming if you don’t wanna cum yet.
Really, though, I think above all ‘sex moves’ to show him, you need to get him to be a bit more dominant/assertive/aggressive. He sounds… subby. Your average chick doesn’t want a submissive guy in bed.
Next time you see him, tell him you want him to fuck you like a filthy little slut… and see how it goes and go from there. That’ll give you an idea on how much work you’ve got ahead of yourself, lol.
I’d start by either him giving a mind blowing orgasm, or giving yourself a mind blowing orgasm in front of him. I’m talking about an earth shattering orgasm. Once he sees it happen, he’ll want it to happen a billion times more.
And re: the ‘butt stuff is gay’ thing. Give him a deepthroat blowjob [like a good girl ;)] and jerk him off with slippery gag spit while you lick his ass and taint. That’ll change (and blow) his mind.
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During missionary sex, pull your cock out so that JUST the tip of his cock is inside her. Hold still and give her a no more than 10 seconds before she lets out a ‘WHAT ARE YOU DOING?!’ and just give her a devilish grin. 30 seconds in she’ll be screaming for you to fuck her and clawing at your ass in attempt to try to pull you into her. She’ll try to inch forward, pin her down and don’t let her, or just lean back and keep her from sliding you into her.) 90 seconds will feel like an eternity of teasing for her and when you finally slide your cock back inside her, hold it in as deep as you can and gyrate your hips for a quick bit before going back to thrusting. Also, this is good for you because when you slide it back in, it usually feels tighter (IDK if she actually gets tighter, but it feels nice, lol) and it’s a good way to hold off cumming if you don’t wanna cum yet.
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