Let's Talk Game w/ Women

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Kakarat wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

First, by evaluating how men react to you. [/quote]

[quote]orion wrote:

She flakes? —> you are off

She tries to constantly shift the time of a date? ----> you give her two options when you time, you have more important things to do.

She blows something out of proportion and goes apeshit? ----> you go what!?!, state your point and do never lose your frame.

She accuses you of being a sexist pig, filthy capitalist? ----> you go, damn right I am, thank you.

She tells you that she has a laundry list of requirements for a relationship? —> you ask her if she wants you to introduce her to a few friends of yours.

You recognize a shit test if she is up in arms at one moment and as soon as she has your answer, or depending on the severity, a few days later, the topic never comes up again. [/quote]

[quote]orion wrote:
You are the shit and she has to prove herself to YOU.
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Those are the pillars.

Assuming she’s almost as awesome as you are, but not quite as awesome.

Or so she thinks. [/quote]

That actually depends on how high her value is in her own mind.

There are beautiful women who are incredibly insecure and if you only position yourself slightly above her in her mind, you would still be a piece of shit to her, just not as shitty as she sees herself.

Really not worth the trouble, but if you want to bed those, you better go full blown asshole.

That way, her self assessment and your actions fit nicely together and the poor girl does not have to battle cognitive dissonance. [/quote]

Can’t disagree with that.

But the type of woman you just described is not in the same realm that would require simply being awesome.

Different game different requirements, and only select men can pull it off IMO.

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Keep that stupid SAMA shit out of this thread please.

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[quote]orion wrote:
In case anyone wonders how its done, this guy is pretty good:

http://www.thingsmyboyfriendsays.com/page/2/[/quote]

Made me lol

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[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
Keep that stupid SAMA shit out of this thread please.[/quote]

Isn’t this whole thread stupid SAMA shit?

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[quote]NAUn wrote:

[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
Keep that stupid SAMA shit out of this thread please.[/quote]

Isn’t this whole thread stupid SAMA shit?[/quote]

No, there’s some actual good and insightful advice and arguments in this thread, concerning social interaction and psychology.

Then we have the retarded “asl?” kiddies who all they do is shamelessly flirt with each other because they’re not getting it at home, and then give us explicit details about how to have sex, as if they were 16 year olds - who just lost their virginity - telling us their mad sekxz skillz, as if we give a fuck.

It’s boring, childish, unnecessary, and robs the thread of any semblance of “intellectual” conversation.

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[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:
And as far as the jacked jackie/DN/DebD V. Orion and who makes the choice of who “gets” to sleep with who…

I think it’s a case of what SteelyD said in a previous “How to be awesome” (or something like that) thread and he said “If you’re on this site, chances are you’re already trying to be awesome.” (Or something like that.)

It doesn’t take much to tell that all the 4 people listed are intelligent, deep seeded in their convictions, live life by their own rules, etc… THAT’S the type of person who makes the decision. It just so happens that, in this case, both sexes are the ones who usually make the choice. (IMO)

And as far as being a “yes” or a “no” before a guy opens his mouth, Orion brought up the best rebuttal I’ve heard to that in a long time: His previous preperations are all a part of that decision you make. That’s “game” so to speak.

The difference between one guy going to the deli on a saturday morning in sweats, the white T he wore as an undershirt, unshowered with bedhead, and mumbles his order to the person behind the counter might be a no… But if the same guy walked in with a smile and good posture, a nice outfit that fits well, asks how the person behind the counter is doing before placing his order, says thank you when he receives it, and strolls on out… that same guy might turn into a yes. But all it took to turn that no into a yes was a little preperation.

And as preperation, I mean far more than just a shower and an outfit change. Mumbling an order might signify a lack of confidence, where as not only placing an order in a loud enough voice, but asking how the server is doing might signify not only confidence, but kindness, too. Good posture generally means they’re confident, in a good mood, aren’t always “down” about everything, etc… That’s hard to fake.

There’s a LOT of preperation guys can do to make women turn those no’s into a yes. (Even if NO GIRL on earth will ever change a no to a yes once she’s made her first impression, getting your shit together will turn more initial no’s into more initial yes’.) [/quote]

Interesting points.

But I’m the type of woman who don’t care how well dressed or well groomed a guy looks like when I spot him first.

Let’s take the deli scenario as an example; if a guy comes in and he’s got that kind of face that I like, looks like he lifts or he’s built like a mountain and, is hairy like a yeti, especially all over his chest, then he’s instantly a ‘‘yes’’ guy to me, even if he’s dressed in his pjs. If his manners suck as a customer, then fuck him.

Now, if Mr skinny guy with the kind of face I don’t like and a hairless chest turns up, he’s instantly a ‘‘no guy’’, and no amount of good manners, sense of humour and cool convo will make me change my mind. I don’t care how well you prepared beforehand, sweetheart, (unless you went away and got some hair implants, a face transplant and now looks like you push weights) but I know exactly what my tastes are and you definitely ain’t checking the boxes.

I do the same with girls. I like athletic built and curvy (Not curvy as fat, but curvy as big boobs or big butts) girls the most.

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[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:
And guys, while we’re on the subject of getting women, chances are you could use some help on keeping women…

Here’s a post someone made quite some time ago in a SAMA thread that got a good response from the women in the thread that I thought was worth saving…

make sure he knows:

How to give a chick a good spank. A quick sting, not a flat handed thud.

Hair pulling’s been covered. Slide his hand up your scalp, letting your hair fall between his fingers, then just make a fist.

How to firmly press a chick up against a wall, hold her wrists together above her head with one hand and finger her with the other while kissing her and her neck.

For the love of everything holy show him the ‘jockey’ position… you on your stomach, legs together and him straddling your ass and have him pound away.

(Also good: the above position with one of his hands underneath your arm, under your chest, with his hand around your throat and the other hand grabbing your hair and leaning your forearm on her upper back. Between both hands, you got two pretty good handles for pulling her into you while you fuck, lol)

Similarly, make sure he knows how to choke a bitch (lol) without killing her.

On that note, tell him to fuck you like he’s trying to hurt you. (Although, with the louisville slugger in his pants, he might, lol) Tell him that’s how hard he needs to fuck a chick when he wants her to cum like a filthy little whore - as hard as he can and as fast as he can for as long as he can. Just because she’s cumming doesn’t mean you stop.

How to eat pussy. Obviously.

It’s a good idea to have had your mouth on every square inch of your womans body by the third fuck session between you two.

That women like when they’re laying on their stomach on the bed and you slide between her legs, kissing from her ankle up her leg, nibbling, before licking her pussy and ass for a quick minute, then continue kissing up her spine and up to her ears, at which point he’s slid his hard cock into her pussy and then fucks her like that.

Teach him how to finger a chicks g-spot to the point where she’s convulsing across the bed.

Tell him that when it comes to nibbling/licking, instead of always biting with your top teeth and lower teeth, use his top teeth and his tongue. This is an awesome sentsation for things like earlobes, nipples, etc…

Dirty talk. When a chick’s close to orgasm, whispering “cum for me, you filthy little whore” in her ear usually sends her over the edge.

Obviously, make sure he knows how to kiss well… lest he never reach the point of actually using his cock.

How to stand behind a chick, and run one of his hands up her chest to her throat and tilt her head back and breathe in her ear/inhale the scent of her hair while using the other to finger her/pinch her nipple/grab her hip and pull her into said monster cock, lol.

RE: the ass grabbing thing… I had one ex who said that, when I grabbed a handful of her ass where the tips of my fingers were pretty close to her pussy, and she said it’d stretch/pull her pussy when I pulled my hand outward. (Think grabbing the inside of her thigh with your fingers and your palm of your hand on her ass cheek, then firmly sliding your hand up and out toward her hip.) It never failed to turn her on. I tried it with a few other women, and it’ll get you at least a fast, deep inhale from her, lol.

I know you said you got him started lifting. Tell him to get serious about it. Women like being picked up.

When a chick is riding you, don’t just sit there. Roll/gyrate your hips with her movements (or opposite her movements) and let his hands roam.

Introduce him to the most underrated sex toy ever: full length mirrors.

How to get a bra off with one hand.

Immediately after a good fuck session and a few orgasms, her skin will be incredibly sensitive. Now’s a good time to gently kiss the inside of her thighs, hips, stomach, etc and have her giggling all over the place. And quickly beginning to squirm for another go.

Wrists and ankes: Good for applying restraints and kissing.

During missionary sex, pull your cock out so that JUST the tip of his cock is inside her. Hold still and give her a no more than 10 seconds before she lets out a ‘WHAT ARE YOU DOING?!’ and just give her a devilish grin. 30 seconds in she’ll be screaming for you to fuck her and clawing at your ass in attempt to try to pull you into her. She’ll try to inch forward, pin her down and don’t let her, or just lean back and keep her from sliding you into her.) 90 seconds will feel like an eternity of teasing for her and when you finally slide your cock back inside her, hold it in as deep as you can and gyrate your hips for a quick bit before going back to thrusting. Also, this is good for you because when you slide it back in, it usually feels tighter (IDK if she actually gets tighter, but it feels nice, lol) and it’s a good way to hold off cumming if you don’t wanna cum yet.

Really, though, I think above all ‘sex moves’ to show him, you need to get him to be a bit more dominant/assertive/aggressive. He sounds… subby. Your average chick doesn’t want a submissive guy in bed.

Next time you see him, tell him you want him to fuck you like a filthy little slut… and see how it goes and go from there. That’ll give you an idea on how much work you’ve got ahead of yourself, lol.

I’d start by either him giving a mind blowing orgasm, or giving yourself a mind blowing orgasm in front of him. I’m talking about an earth shattering orgasm. Once he sees it happen, he’ll want it to happen a billion times more.

And re: the ‘butt stuff is gay’ thing. Give him a deepthroat blowjob [like a good girl ;)] and jerk him off with slippery gag spit while you lick his ass and taint. That’ll change (and blow) his mind.
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Hahaha!!

I remember this post.

One of the best ever posted in Sama. Loved it.

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[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:

[quote]NAUn wrote:

[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
Keep that stupid SAMA shit out of this thread please.[/quote]

Isn’t this whole thread stupid SAMA shit?[/quote]

No, there’s some actual good and insightful advice and arguments in this thread, concerning social interaction and psychology.

Then we have the retarded “asl?” kiddies who all they do is shamelessly flirt with each other because they’re not getting it at home, and then give us explicit details about how to have sex, as if they were 16 year olds - who just lost their virginity - telling us their mad sekxz skillz, as if we give a fuck.

It’s boring, childish, unnecessary, and robs the thread of any semblance of “intellectual” conversation.
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Fair enough. It’s all SAMA, but not all of it is stupid shit. The stupid shit-to-insight ratio is high though. I’m surprised Biotest hasn’t clamped down on this stuff yet. A decent portion of these threads does not reflect well on them. I’ve got to think the pedophile thread looks especially bad.

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I think it’s why they shut down SAMA.

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[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
No, there’s some actual good and insightful advice and arguments in this thread, concerning social interaction and psychology.[/quote]

Agreed.

I also happen to agree that that SAMA crap clutters up the thread but I guess it’s only surprising that it didnt show up earlier.

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[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:

[quote]NAUn wrote:

[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
Keep that stupid SAMA shit out of this thread please.[/quote]

Isn’t this whole thread stupid SAMA shit?[/quote]

No, there’s some actual good and insightful advice and arguments in this thread, concerning social interaction and psychology.

Then we have the retarded “asl?” kiddies who all they do is shamelessly flirt with each other because they’re not getting it at home, and then give us explicit details about how to have sex, as if they were 16 year olds - who just lost their virginity - telling us their mad sekxz skillz, as if we give a fuck.

It’s boring, childish, unnecessary, and robs the thread of any semblance of “intellectual” conversation.
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Fair enough.

One reason I included it in here was because I wish I had been given a few pointers earlier…

But the main reason is because of the positive feedback loop that keeps being mentioned.

Serious question:

If you were thinking about approaching a chick (at this point, it’s too late anyway, lol) and were extremely confident in your ability to satisy her, wouldn’t you be more likely to actually approach her than if you were thinking “fuck, I hope she’ll like me in bed…”

Being good in bed is just another preparation a guy can make to have ‘game.’ Not only that, being confident in bed is another thing to be confident about, more confidence leads to more confidence, etc etc…

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[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:
And as far as the jacked jackie/DN/DebD V. Orion and who makes the choice of who “gets” to sleep with who…

I think it’s a case of what SteelyD said in a previous “How to be awesome” (or something like that) thread and he said “If you’re on this site, chances are you’re already trying to be awesome.” (Or something like that.)

It doesn’t take much to tell that all the 4 people listed are intelligent, deep seeded in their convictions, live life by their own rules, etc… THAT’S the type of person who makes the decision. It just so happens that, in this case, both sexes are the ones who usually make the choice. (IMO)

And as far as being a “yes” or a “no” before a guy opens his mouth, Orion brought up the best rebuttal I’ve heard to that in a long time: His previous preperations are all a part of that decision you make. That’s “game” so to speak.

The difference between one guy going to the deli on a saturday morning in sweats, the white T he wore as an undershirt, unshowered with bedhead, and mumbles his order to the person behind the counter might be a no… But if the same guy walked in with a smile and good posture, a nice outfit that fits well, asks how the person behind the counter is doing before placing his order, says thank you when he receives it, and strolls on out… that same guy might turn into a yes. But all it took to turn that no into a yes was a little preperation.

And as preperation, I mean far more than just a shower and an outfit change. Mumbling an order might signify a lack of confidence, where as not only placing an order in a loud enough voice, but asking how the server is doing might signify not only confidence, but kindness, too. Good posture generally means they’re confident, in a good mood, aren’t always “down” about everything, etc… That’s hard to fake.

There’s a LOT of preperation guys can do to make women turn those no’s into a yes. (Even if NO GIRL on earth will ever change a no to a yes once she’s made her first impression, getting your shit together will turn more initial no’s into more initial yes’.) [/quote]

Interesting points.

But I’m the type of woman who don’t care how well dressed or well groomed a guy looks like when I spot him first.

Let’s take the deli scenario as an example; if a guy comes in and he’s got that kind of face that I like, looks like he lifts or he’s built like a mountain and, is hairy like a yeti, especially all over his chest, then he’s instantly a ‘‘yes’’ guy to me, even if he’s dressed in his pjs. If his manners suck as a customer, then fuck him.

Now, if Mr skinny guy with the kind of face I don’t like and a hairless chest turns up, he’s instantly a ‘‘no guy’’, and no amount of good manners, sense of humour and cool convo will make me change my mind. I don’t care how well you prepared beforehand, sweetheart, (unless you went away and got some hair implants, a face transplant and now looks like you push weights) but I know exactly what my tastes are and you definitely ain’t checking the boxes.

I do the same with girls. I like athletic built and curvy (Not curvy as fat, but curvy as big boobs or big butts) girls the most.

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So, aside from the facial features and body hair, your “boxes” involve good manners, being built like a house, and numerous other things (safe bets being: good social skills, SOME sort of style - whether it be a 3 piece suit or PJ’s on the weekends, a decent job, etc)… ALL of those things can be acquired. If you don’t have any of the above, even if you were an initial yes, he’ll fuck it up and turn it into a no. If he PREPARES by acquiring the above, he keeps an initial yes as a yes.

I think it can be argued that there’s a whole lot more preparation that guys can do to get chicks. But really, a lot of those preparations involve improving yourself (which should be done for yourself to begin with, not for women), but they’re still preparations nontheless.

It’s kinda like how in 3 months there’ll be a whole bunch of “I have 3 weeks to get abs for spring break” threads. They’re ‘preparing’ to try to get chicks. But they’ll be “out-prepared” by the guys who’ve been in the weight room for 5 years busting their ass. Not only that, but if they’ve actually built a decent physique in those 5 years, all other things being equal with the “3-weeks-out-chump,” he’s probably got a whole lot more experience with receiving female attention. More female attention → more interaction with women → increased social skills with women → increased social skills with everyone → networking/more friends → more connections and so on and so forth…

Still think whoever mentioned the positive feedback loop hit the nail on the head.

EDIT: Even body hair can be ‘prepared’ for a certain look. You ‘prepare’ by working with you got. Kinda like how a short guy might wear vertical stripes, or how a balding guy will shave it and own a new look instead of trying to hold on to his hair with a combover. Body hair can be waxed, if he’s preparing to try to attract women who don’t like hairy guys, or he can leave his chest hairy if he wants to attract women who like hairy guys…

What if a guy’s jawline looks stronger with certain facial hair than it does clean shaven? That could be seen as a preparation, too.

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[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:

So, aside from the facial features and body hair, your “boxes” involve good manners, being built like a house, and numerous other things (safe bets being: good social skills, SOME sort of style - whether it be a 3 piece suit or PJ’s on the weekends, a decent job, etc)… ALL of those things can be acquired. If you don’t have any of the above, even if you were an initial yes, he’ll fuck it up and turn it into a no. If he PREPARES by acquiring the above, he keeps an initial yes as a yes.

I think it can be argued that there’s a whole lot more preparation that guys can do to get chicks. But really, a lot of those preparations involve improving yourself (which should be done for yourself to begin with, not for women), but they’re still preparations nontheless.

It’s kinda like how in 3 months there’ll be a whole bunch of “I have 3 weeks to get abs for spring break” threads. They’re ‘preparing’ to try to get chicks. But they’ll be “out-prepared” by the guys who’ve been in the weight room for 5 years busting their ass. Not only that, but if they’ve actually built a decent physique in those 5 years, all other things being equal with the “3-weeks-out-chump,” he’s probably got a whole lot more experience with receiving female attention. More female attention → more interaction with women → increased social skills with women → increased social skills with everyone → networking/more friends → more connections and so on and so forth…

Still think whoever mentioned the positive feedback loop hit the nail on the head.

EDIT: Even body hair can be ‘prepared’ for a certain look. You ‘prepare’ by working with you got. Kinda like how a short guy might wear vertical stripes, or how a balding guy will shave it and own a new look instead of trying to hold on to his hair with a combover. Body hair can be waxed, if he’s preparing to try to attract women who don’t like hairy guys, or he can leave his chest hairy if he wants to attract women who like hairy guys…

What if a guy’s jawline looks stronger with certain facial hair than it does clean shaven? That could be seen as a preparation, too. [/quote]

The question is how do you prepare for the unknown?

For example, you talked about the guys training to get chicks in 3 months, what if the girls they want to fuck aren’t interested? How does the hairy guy attracted to the deli girl(who can’t stand hair on a man), prepare without even knowing what her preferences are? Or that guy crossing the road chasing after random girls, hoping they’ll fall for him because he thinks he’s good looking, well dressed and a smooth operator, but doesn’t always get the girl in the end? How does one ‘‘prepare’’ for that?

You must take the time to know the person a little bit more before the ‘‘preparation’’. You can’t just walk up to some random woman and expect her to fall for you, because you’ve ‘‘prepared’’ beforehand. That sounds more like lottery to me. You’re taking a chance with someone who has already disregarded you as a potential fuck or lover (or friendzoned you, if you’re lucky).

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[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

The question is how do you prepare for the unknown?

For example, you talked about the guys training to get chicks in 3 months, what if the girls they want to fuck aren’t interested? How does the hairy guy attracted to the deli girl(who can’t stand hair on a man), prepare without even knowing what her preferences are? Or that guy crossing the road chasing after random girls, hoping they’ll fall for him because he thinks he’s good looking, well dressed and a smooth operator, but doesn’t always get the girl in the end? How does one ‘‘prepare’’ for that?

You must take the time to know the person a little bit more before the ‘‘preparation’’. You can’t just walk up to some random woman and expect her to fall for you, because you’ve ‘‘prepared’’ beforehand. That sounds more like lottery to me. You’re taking a chance with someone who has already disregarded you as a potential fuck or lover (or friendzoned you, if you’re lucky).

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There are no unknowns.

Barring incombatible immune systems and HEAVY social conditioning like racism (not that I think that xenophobia is entirely social conditioning) what she thinks she wants is by and large irrelevant.

You can remove some factors that would cause her to say no, like being overweight, but the reasons she says yes are pretty much the same, always.

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[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:

[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:

[quote]NAUn wrote:

[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
Keep that stupid SAMA shit out of this thread please.[/quote]

Isn’t this whole thread stupid SAMA shit?[/quote]

No, there’s some actual good and insightful advice and arguments in this thread, concerning social interaction and psychology.

Then we have the retarded “asl?” kiddies who all they do is shamelessly flirt with each other because they’re not getting it at home, and then give us explicit details about how to have sex, as if they were 16 year olds - who just lost their virginity - telling us their mad sekxz skillz, as if we give a fuck.

It’s boring, childish, unnecessary, and robs the thread of any semblance of “intellectual” conversation.
[/quote]

Fair enough.

One reason I included it in here was because I wish I had been given a few pointers earlier…

But the main reason is because of the positive feedback loop that keeps being mentioned.

Serious question:

If you were thinking about approaching a chick (at this point, it’s too late anyway, lol) and were extremely confident in your ability to satisy her, wouldn’t you be more likely to actually approach her than if you were thinking “fuck, I hope she’ll like me in bed…”

Being good in bed is just another preparation a guy can make to have ‘game.’ Not only that, being confident in bed is another thing to be confident about, more confidence leads to more confidence, etc etc…
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That is true, but I find, just like “game”, a lot of it comes down to experience. You can tell me exactly how to do a back flip, but unless I got some of that muscle memory down, from experience, chances are I’m not gonna pull it off that well. Fortunately, with most women, the act of sex itself feels good so getting her off isn’t hard.

My point was that given the nature of the discussion, and the tendency for SAMA people to derail threads with their childish antics, I thought it be best you leave that sort of “advice” for another thread.

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[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
The question is how do you prepare for the unknown?
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You bring up a good point, but I think I may have mis-represented what I meant to say.

Obviously, there are some women on earth who, for whatever reason, just won’t fuck you. That’s something all guys have to accept.

But then… Why bother with the unknown?? A guy can’t tell what a girl is thinking (not always, at least) but a guy can KNOW what HE wants, which means he’s already living with more self awareness than most, and will give him a leg up on the competition.

I can’t control anyone but me, so why even bother? The best I can do is prepare MYSELF to be the person I want to be, present it (by initiating with a girl) and if she doesn’t like me, she doesn’t like me. Similarly, if she doesn’t turn out to be what I’m looking for, then it’s not what I’m looking for. Either way, on to the next one.

Obviously, your point that there ARE unknowns (contrary to what orion says) with other people is valid and sometimes you just aren’t what she’s looking for. But I feel like that’s the difference between preparing yourself to be YOU rather than preparing yourself to be HER IDEAL MATE.

That’s always a possibility, but it’s a pretty safe bet for a guy to think that he’ll get more ass on spring break with a six pack than without, all other things being equal.

Hairy deli guy can’t “prepare” SPECIFICALLY for deli chick who doesn’t like hairy guys, but HIS preference (conscious or not) is to have a hairy chest… And if, upon finding out her preference for hairless guys, he goes out and gets his body waxed, he’s just a pussy who’s willing to do whatever a girl says in hopes she sleeps with him. That’s lame as fuck. (Actully, on second thought, the guy HAS prepared for deli girl, he just prepared himself for failure, lol.)

I choose to keep my chest hairy because I’d rather keep it hairy - some women like it, some dont. That means I’m preparing myself for success (only in the hair vs non hair department) with women who like hairy chests, but it also means accepting the fact that i’m preparing myself for failure for girls who think hairy chests are a dealbreaker. Fine by me. Whether I’ve prepared myself for success or failure, I’ve still ‘prepared.’

I bolded the ‘taking a chance’ part because it’s ALWAYS taking a chance! Lets assume that a woman sees me sitting on the subway - she’s already made up her mind yes or no, according to the women on this thread - whether it’s a yes or a no, I’ll never know unless I approach her and find out.

I’d bet even average looking guys have a greater number of girls thinking “he’s a yes” than the number of girls he actually approaches.

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The reason why its utterly pointless to discuss this with women is because they have no clue.

Case in point, they do not even know what arouses them and when they are aroused:

When it comes to sexual arousal, a woman’s mind and body are less in sync than a man’s, a review of research finds.

Men who reported feeling turned on tended to also sport an erection, while a matchup between the mind and body wasn’t so consistent for women, according to the review published online Jan. 4 in the journal Archives of Sexual Behavior.

“We wanted to discover how closely people’s subjective experience of sexual arousal mirrors their physiological genital response ? and whether this differs between men and women,” said researcher Meredith Chivers, a psychology professor at Queen’s University in Canada.

Chivers and colleagues reviewed more than 130 studies published between 1969 and 2007 involving participants’ arousal responses. In total, the review included more than 2,500 women and 1,900 men.

Men’s subjective ratings of arousal were in agreement with their body’s level of sexual arousal about 66 percent of the time, while women’s were in line only about 26 percent of the time.

“The general pattern that I have seen in my laboratory is that women experience a genital response but do not report feeling sexually aroused,” Chivers told LiveScience.

Overall, the findings suggest women and men have different experiences of sexual arousal.

“For men, their experience is strongly related to physiological arousal whereas for women it is less so,” Chivers said.

Supporting the conclusions, a study reported in 2003 showed men’s arousal clearly tracks sexual orientation, with gay men getting turned on by images of men, and straight guys by images of women. In contrast, that 2003 study showed both heterosexual and lesbian women were sexually aroused by male and female erotica, regardless of their sexual orientation.

Figuring out how measures of arousal (mental vs. physiological) differ between men and women will help scientists study human sexuality and understand the nature of these differences, Chivers said.

http://current.com/117jk4c

One would think that they would know, but they dont.

So, I would take anything a woman says in this area with a ton of salt.

They dont know what makes them horny, they dont know what they want in a man, they dont even know when they are horny unless it crosses a, comparatively rather high, threshold.

I believe and I have nothing to back this up, that they were specifically designed not to get it.

What can be measured though is the swelling of the labia and lubrication and while its objectively there, they dont recognize it.

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[quote]orion wrote:
Chivers and colleagues reviewed more than 130 studies published between 1969 and 2007 involving participants’ arousal responses. In total, the review included more than 2,500 women and 1,900 men.

Men’s subjective ratings of arousal were in agreement with their body’s level of sexual arousal about 66 percent of the time, while women’s were in line only about 26 percent of the time.

“The general pattern that I have seen in my laboratory is that women experience a genital response but do not report feeling sexually aroused,” Chivers told LiveScience. [/quote]

Call me crazy, but is it possible this study more accurately measured women’s willingness to ADMIT to arousal than to recognize it? I mean, 1969? Headline: STUDY PROVES THAT WOMEN RESEARCH PARTICIPANTS NOT GOOD GIRLS

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Right-O, Orion. Gamesters know all about women and their arousal responses but don’t know about coyness?

Doesn’t say much about these PUA masters.

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Wow. Women don’t know a damn thing.

It’s a good that men are here to lead them to a happy and fulfilling life they didn’t even know they wanted.

You’re welcome.