Let's Talk Florida

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

  1. Interlopers/turncoats/those who miss the fine print - i.e. Fruit Paul’s circus.[/quote]

LOL…you said “fruit Paul’s circus” HAha hahaha…Not enough has been said about how badly Paul is doing in all of this and how you and I were correct in our predictions many months ago. And all the Paulies were saying “Nu uh Ron paul is going to surprise you.” Well for the record every time I see him walk out on to the debate floor without the use of a walker–HE SURPRISES ME!

Whahahah–Ron Paul…

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I agree. Although the circus remains but with a new ring leader for next time around. Not that they would could ever win a general election but they can certainly harm the party. Rand should leave and join Johnson over at the 1%er Party.

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
The latest national polls from USA Today/Gallup

Obama 54%
Gingrich 40%

Romney 48%
Obama 47%

Hey if you want another four years of Obama send all your money to Gingrich and hope for the best. But if you want a 50/50 chance of removing Obama from the White House you go with Romney. The choice is clear, be a purist and suffer four more years of Obama. Or be smart and we might get rid of him.[/quote]There is plenty of heft in what you say here and it’s exactly what I was telling Rainjack and some others who wouldn’t vote for McCain. However, you of all people should know that 30 days is an eternity in U.S. politics to say nothing of almost a year
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I agree with you my friend. And that’s why politics is the greatest game on earth. Anything can happen. And you never know until the final vote is counted.

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

  1. Interlopers/turncoats/those who miss the fine print - i.e. Fruit Paul’s circus.[/quote]

LOL…you said “fruit Paul’s circus” HAha hahaha…Not enough has been said about how badly Paul is doing in all of this and how you and I were correct in our predictions many months ago. And all the Paulies were saying “Nu uh Ron paul is going to surprise you.” Well for the record every time I see him walk out on to the debate floor without the use of a walker–HE SURPRISES ME!

Whahahah–Ron Paul…

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I agree. Although the circus remains but with a new ring leader for next time around. Not that they would could ever win a general election but they can certainly harm the party. Rand should leave and join Johnson over at the 1%er Party.[/quote]

While I think Rand is loyal to his Dad he knows that this is Ron’s last hurrah. Rand on his own is not so bad and has said some very smart things along the way.

You don’t like Rand either?

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

  1. Interlopers/turncoats/those who miss the fine print - i.e. Fruit Paul’s circus.[/quote]

LOL…you said “fruit Paul’s circus” HAha hahaha…Not enough has been said about how badly Paul is doing in all of this and how you and I were correct in our predictions many months ago. And all the Paulies were saying “Nu uh Ron paul is going to surprise you.” Well for the record every time I see him walk out on to the debate floor without the use of a walker–HE SURPRISES ME!

Whahahah–Ron Paul…

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I agree. Although the circus remains but with a new ring leader for next time around. Not that they would could ever win a general election but they can certainly harm the party. Rand should leave and join Johnson over at the 1%er Party.[/quote]

While I think Rand is loyal to his Dad he knows that this is Ron’s last hurrah. Rand on his own is not so bad and has said some very smart things along the way.

You don’t like Rand either?[/quote]

I don’t like aspects of the movement that won’t go away when Ron is gone. And whilst I agree with libertarians on many things I don’t believe their mandate is compatible with constitutionalism or conservatism.

Gary Johnson is now in the Libertarian Party. Let’s have a look at the Libertarian Party’s platform shall we?

“Recognizing that abortion is a sensitive issue and that people can hold good-faith views on all sides, we believe that government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration.”

Oh…I see.

“The United States should both avoid entangling alliances and abandon its attempts to act as policeman for the world. We oppose any form of compulsory national service.”

Okay…

“Our foreign policy should emphasize defense against attack from abroad and enhance the likelihood of peace by avoiding foreign entanglements. We would end the current U.S. government policy of foreign intervention…”

Uh huh…

“Political freedom and escape from tyranny demand that individuals not be unreasonably constrained by government in the crossing of political boundaries. Economic freedom demands the unrestricted movement of human as well as financial capital across national borders.”

Que? No hablo ingles!

“Government should not deny or abridge any individual’s rights based on sex, wealth, race, color, creed, age, national origin, personal habits, political preference or sexual orientation. Parents, or other guardians, have the right to raise their children according to their own standards and beliefs.”

Well gender is just a construct really…

“Sexual orientation, preference, gender, or gender identity should have no impact on the government’s treatment of individuals, such as in current marriage, child custody, adoption, immigration or military service laws. Government does not have the authority to define, license or restrict personal relationships. Consenting adults should be free to choose their own sexual practices and personal relationships.”

Okay Gary. Off you go now.

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Gary Johnson is now in the Libertarian Party. Let’s have a look at the Libertarian Party’s platform shall we?

“Recognizing that abortion is a sensitive issue and that people can hold good-faith views on all sides, we believe that government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration.”

Oh…I see.

“The United States should both avoid entangling alliances and abandon its attempts to act as policeman for the world. We oppose any form of compulsory national service.”

Okay…

“Our foreign policy should emphasize defense against attack from abroad and enhance the likelihood of peace by avoiding foreign entanglements. We would end the current U.S. government policy of foreign intervention…”

Uh huh…

“Political freedom and escape from tyranny demand that individuals not be unreasonably constrained by government in the crossing of political boundaries. Economic freedom demands the unrestricted movement of human as well as financial capital across national borders.”

Que? No hablo ingles!

“Government should not deny or abridge any individual’s rights based on sex, wealth, race, color, creed, age, national origin, personal habits, political preference or sexual orientation. Parents, or other guardians, have the right to raise their children according to their own standards and beliefs.”

Well gender is just a construct really…

“Sexual orientation, preference, gender, or gender identity should have no impact on the government’s treatment of individuals, such as in current marriage, child custody, adoption, immigration or military service laws. Government does not have the authority to define, license or restrict personal relationships. Consenting adults should be free to choose their own sexual practices and personal relationships.”

Okay Gary. Off you go now.[/quote]

[quote]orion wrote:
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Voting has begun!

NEWT/ROVE 2012!

Mufasa

[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Voting has begun!

NEWT/ROVE 2012!

Mufasa [/quote]

Newt…Rove? I don’t believe they’re exactly friendly towards each other.

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
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Bush or Obama?

Bushbama?

[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Voting has begun!

NEWT/ROVE 2012!

Mufasa [/quote]

Are you trying to create the most spineless, Machiavellian combination possible?

If so, great job!

What shall we call them, the Duo of Doom?

Dyad of Destruction?

LOL!

Naw…just kidding!

I wanted to add to the “spirited” discussions we’ve had on numerous threads over the past 2 weeks or so!

Mufasa

Hey Mufasa I think the Romney haters are in for a very bad nigh tonight.

Plenty of indigestion all around when they announce that Romney wins Florida.

Wha ha ha

[quote]ZEB wrote:
Hey Mufasa I think the Romney haters are in for a very bad nigh tonight.

Plenty of indigestion all around when they announce that Romney wins Florida.

Wha ha ha[/quote]

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Gary Johnson is now in the Libertarian Party. Let’s have a look at the Libertarian Party’s platform shall we?

“Recognizing that abortion is a sensitive issue and that people can hold good-faith views on all sides, we believe that government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration.”

Oh…I see.

“The United States should both avoid entangling alliances and abandon its attempts to act as policeman for the world. We oppose any form of compulsory national service.”

Okay…

“Our foreign policy should emphasize defense against attack from abroad and enhance the likelihood of peace by avoiding foreign entanglements. We would end the current U.S. government policy of foreign intervention…”

Uh huh…

“Political freedom and escape from tyranny demand that individuals not be unreasonably constrained by government in the crossing of political boundaries. Economic freedom demands the unrestricted movement of human as well as financial capital across national borders.”

Que? No hablo ingles!

“Government should not deny or abridge any individual’s rights based on sex, wealth, race, color, creed, age, national origin, personal habits, political preference or sexual orientation. Parents, or other guardians, have the right to raise their children according to their own standards and beliefs.”

Well gender is just a construct really…

“Sexual orientation, preference, gender, or gender identity should have no impact on the government’s treatment of individuals, such as in current marriage, child custody, adoption, immigration or military service laws. Government does not have the authority to define, license or restrict personal relationships. Consenting adults should be free to choose their own sexual practices and personal relationships.”

Okay Gary. Off you go now.[/quote]

So you are saying that they arent a bunch of sexist and racist A-holes? I agree thats a horrible thing, must be stopped. Long live the reactionary cause.

:slight_smile:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
Hey Mufasa I think the Romney haters are in for a very bad nigh tonight.

Plenty of indigestion all around when they announce that Romney wins Florida.

Wha ha ha[/quote]

More like a bad night for the party.

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
Hey Mufasa I think the Romney haters are in for a very bad nigh tonight.

Plenty of indigestion all around when they announce that Romney wins Florida.

Wha ha ha[/quote]

More like a bad night for the party.
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Let’s see what the turn out is by the end of the night. It might be as large as 4 years ago. If not we can blame the number of attacks by both candidates. People might be influenced by attack ads but at the same time they claim to be disgusted by them, especially women.

But a good night for Romney is a good night for the party!

To the rest of the country, it’s up to you to stop the progressive make over of the GoP. Fl. fell for a 5-1 spending advantage.

Well, no surprise that Romney won Florida. And he will win the nomination. However, he still can’t take his eyes off of Newt and will have to keep up the campaign against him.

Newt is in this for the long haul. His ego wont let it go and the more time Romney has to attack Newt, the less time he has to attack Obama.

Takeaways:

  1. Despite the Paulnuts’ predictions, Ron Paul came in a surprising fourth. Really, and truly, just a shock. A complete shock.

  2. The negative campaigning went too far (namely, there was simply too much of it), but there is a silver lining - if Romney is the candidate (and there’s no reason to think he won’t), Newt’s done him a huge favor by battle-testing him on weak points. The public is getting conditioned to areas that the Democrats would like to hit Romney on, which is helpful for him, and Romney showed he can come out of the corner and bare his fangs when pressed (and out-Newt Newt in a debate).

  3. Newt isn’t going anywhere. This is what it has always been - about Newt.

  4. Santorum might be looking good for cabinet position or reclaiming his Senate seat. Seriously. He was always a lesser star in the constellation of GOP hopefuls before Iowa, and he has outlasted nearly all the others, proving himself to be one of the major voices of the party.

  5. Seriously, Ron Paul…in fourth??? Amazing. What a turn in events. Based on what I heard in these forums, he was a shoo-in. Couldn’t be beat. I can’t believe Romney roared out of nowhere and snatched victory from the jaws of defeat. Man, I bet the Ron Paul camp must just be stunned.