Newt’s problem in the last two debates is that he is stuck either going after Obama or dealing with negative attacks. He can’t attack Romney on TARP/Bailouts and Romney-care (he’s flirted on/off with individual mandates). Santorum is pushing on. I didn’t expect it, but damn am I glad he is. opefully, hopefully, hopefully, Newt’s folks understand that there is a real contrast to Romney and Obama, in Santorum. Santorum has shown that he can expose Romney on the issues.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
To the rest of the country, it’s up to you to stop the progressive make over of the GoP. Fl. fell for a 5-1 spending advantage. [/quote]
You’ve mentioned Romney’s money advantage in the past as if it’s something to be ashamed of. Are you aware that practically every candidate who ever achieved the nomination has had a money advantage? Money is the life blood of politics. Gingrich will also be out spent in Nevada and every other state that he wants to waste his time running.
That’s part of the game that I’ve been telling you about. One more point, you don’t take out Obama and the DNC without oodles of cash and plenty of experienced people in key positions.
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
Takeaways:
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Despite the Paulnuts’ predictions, Ron Paul came in a surprising fourth. Really, and truly, just a shock. A complete shock.
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The negative campaigning went too far (namely, there was simply too much of it), but there is a silver lining - if Romney is the candidate (and there’s no reason to think he won’t), Newt’s done him a huge favor by battle-testing him on weak points. The public is getting conditioned to areas that the Democrats would like to hit Romney on, which is helpful for him, and Romney showed he can come out of the corner and bare his fangs when pressed (and out-Newt Newt in a debate).
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Newt isn’t going anywhere. This is what it has always been - about Newt.
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Santorum might be looking good for cabinet position or reclaiming his Senate seat. Seriously. He was always a lesser star in the constellation of GOP hopefuls before Iowa, and he has outlasted nearly all the others, proving himself to be one of the major voices of the party.
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Seriously, Ron Paul…in fourth??? Amazing. What a turn in events. Based on what I heard in these forums, he was a shoo-in. Couldn’t be beat. I can’t believe Romney roared out of nowhere and snatched victory from the jaws of defeat. Man, I bet the Ron Paul camp must just be stunned.[/quote]
Good points TB. Especially about Ron Paul who got a whopping 7% of the vote. But people like Lifty will swear that it’s just a matter of time before Paul rises up and grabs the nomination in a surprise last minute shake up. It’s almost like the Paulies were drugged or something–Funny stuff indeed.
Final thought, Santorum, needs to rethink his strategy. If he has any chance at all to be the conservative alternative to Gingrich he should focus on Gingrich. Currently Santorum spends more time talking about Romney than Gingrich.
And how did he spend that money? Burning bridges. I think 96% of ads were negative? The party is fractured. He can’t beat Obama. And Obama will have the money advantage. Time for principled conservatives to choose the honorable Santorum. A man who stuck to the issues. Romney and Newt should drop, knowing that they’ve turned off each other’s supporters. Then, support the Conservative one doesn’t have to hold his nose for. The guy who stuck to the issues, exposing Romney and his big-government progressive streak (individual mandates, cap and trade, etc.). And even Newt for his flirtations with the individual mandates, cap and trade, etc. The only conservative that can actually draw a contrast between himself and Obama.
Do not think that having money secures anything. Meg Whitman lost the gubernatorial election in California, and she spent $180 million.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
And how did he spend that money? Burning bridges. I think 96% of ads were negative? The party is fractured. He can’t beat Obama. And Obama will have the money advantage. Time for principled conservatives to choose the honorable Santorum. A man who stuck to the issues. Romney and Newt should drop, knowing that they’ve turned off each other’s supporters. Then, support the Conservative one doesn’t have to hold his nose for. The guy who stuck to the issues, exposing Romney and his big-government progressive streak (individual mandates, cap and trade, etc.). And even Newt for his flirtations with the individual mandates, cap and trade, etc. The only conservative that can actually draw a contrast between himself and Obama.[/quote]
How did Newt spend his time? The same way that he spent his money, attacking Romney. That’s politics Sloth. You act like this is the first time you’ve ever seen a national primary. Come on man that’s the game. It happens very much like this every four years. Stop acting like it’s an outrageous infraction of the rules. You’re telling two guys in a street fight that they can’t kick to the groin.
Secondly, stop thinking that the republican has to draw a great contrast with Obama. In fact, sometimes that the fastest way to lose. You want to be different enough but not off the wall different as that can scare people. Keep in mind what happens to nominees who are too far left or too far right. They get beaten by wide margins!
Finally, as I’ve said in the past I love Rick Santorum. And if he was the party nominee I would gladly support him with money and time. But he’s not going to be the nominee Mitt Romney is going to be the nominee. Get used to the idea.
A Romney/Rubio ticket would stand a very good chance of defeating Obama.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Do not think that having money secures anything. Meg Whitman lost the gubernatorial election in California, and she spent $180 million. [/quote]
Wow…did she really spend that much? Sheesh, and no doubt most of that was from her personal fortune. You have to wonder why.
Turnout out down about 250k.
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
Takeaways:
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Despite the Paulnuts’ predictions, Ron Paul came in a surprising fourth. Really, and truly, just a shock. A complete shock.
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The negative campaigning went too far (namely, there was simply too much of it), but there is a silver lining - if Romney is the candidate (and there’s no reason to think he won’t), Newt’s done him a huge favor by battle-testing him on weak points. The public is getting conditioned to areas that the Democrats would like to hit Romney on, which is helpful for him, and Romney showed he can come out of the corner and bare his fangs when pressed (and out-Newt Newt in a debate).
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Newt isn’t going anywhere. This is what it has always been - about Newt.
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Santorum might be looking good for cabinet position or reclaiming his Senate seat. Seriously. He was always a lesser star in the constellation of GOP hopefuls before Iowa, and he has outlasted nearly all the others, proving himself to be one of the major voices of the party.
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Seriously, Ron Paul…in fourth??? Amazing. What a turn in events. Based on what I heard in these forums, he was a shoo-in. Couldn’t be beat. I can’t believe Romney roared out of nowhere and snatched victory from the jaws of defeat. Man, I bet the Ron Paul camp must just be stunned.[/quote]
What is this “forum” you speak of and where can I learn more?
Surely not this here forum where I actually did post that Paul was concentrating on states that are not “winner takes all” and where he can campaign at a lower cost?
Uh oh, Fl. might be giving out delegates proportionally…
According to RNC rules, states with primaries before April 1 have to be proportional. And as you all know, Florida moved it’s date up (obviously).
http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2012/02/01/florida-primary-might-not-be-done-deal/
We shall see.
Our elections have become spectacles of sardonicism. Really. How pitiful.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Do not think that having money secures anything. Meg Whitman lost the gubernatorial election in California, and she spent $180 million. [/quote]
Wow…did she really spend that much? Sheesh, and no doubt most of that was from her personal fortune. You have to wonder why.[/quote]
She really wanted to be governor I guess. She was undone by her illegal alien housekeeper. Get this…
She hires a lady who gives her fake work documents. Meg gets a letter from Social Security Office telling her that the SSN provided by the housekeeper didn’t match the name submitted (clearly an illegal alien situation). Meg tells lady to call Social Security Office to figure out the discrepancy. Illegal alien holds onto the letter for 9 years, waits to use it to blackmail Meg when the timing is right. A week before the election, boom, illegal alien goes to the press, 9 yrs later. Meg loses. It’s hard to run as a Republican against illegal immigration, and have an illegal alien nanny at the same time.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
And how did he spend that money? Burning bridges. I think 96% of ads were negative? The party is fractured. He can’t beat Obama. And Obama will have the money advantage. Time for principled conservatives to choose the honorable Santorum. A man who stuck to the issues. Romney and Newt should drop, knowing that they’ve turned off each other’s supporters. Then, support the Conservative one doesn’t have to hold his nose for. The guy who stuck to the issues, exposing Romney and his big-government progressive streak (individual mandates, cap and trade, etc.). And even Newt for his flirtations with the individual mandates, cap and trade, etc. The only conservative that can actually draw a contrast between himself and Obama.[/quote]
How did Newt spend his time? The same way that he spent his money, attacking Romney. That’s politics Sloth. You act like this is the first time you’ve ever seen a national primary. Come on man that’s the game. It happens very much like this every four years. Stop acting like it’s an outrageous infraction of the rules. You’re telling two guys in a street fight that they can’t kick to the groin.
Secondly, stop thinking that the republican has to draw a great contrast with Obama. In fact, sometimes that the fastest way to lose. You want to be different enough but not off the wall different as that can scare people. Keep in mind what happens to nominees who are too far left or too far right. They get beaten by wide margins!
Finally, as I’ve said in the past I love Rick Santorum. And if he was the party nominee I would gladly support him with money and time. But he’s not going to be the nominee Mitt Romney is going to be the nominee. Get used to the idea.
A Romney/Rubio ticket would stand a very good chance of defeating Obama.[/quote]
Agree that Romney-Rubio can beat Obama. Should that be the showdown against Obama in November, it will be pretty close.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:<<< She really wanted to be governor I guess. She was undone by her illegal alien housekeeper. Get this…
She hires a lady who gives her fake work documents. Meg gets a letter from Social Security Office telling her that the SSN provided by the housekeeper didn’t match the name submitted (clearly an illegal alien situation). Meg tells lady to call Social Security Office to figure out the discrepancy. Illegal alien holds onto the letter for 9 years, waits to use it to blackmail Meg when the timing is right. A week before the election, boom, illegal alien goes to the press, 9 yrs later. Meg loses. It’s hard to run as a Republican against illegal immigration, and have an illegal alien nanny at the same time. [/quote]That’s beautiful man LOL!!!
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
And how did he spend that money? Burning bridges. I think 96% of ads were negative? The party is fractured. He can’t beat Obama. And Obama will have the money advantage. Time for principled conservatives to choose the honorable Santorum. A man who stuck to the issues. Romney and Newt should drop, knowing that they’ve turned off each other’s supporters. Then, support the Conservative one doesn’t have to hold his nose for. The guy who stuck to the issues, exposing Romney and his big-government progressive streak (individual mandates, cap and trade, etc.). And even Newt for his flirtations with the individual mandates, cap and trade, etc. The only conservative that can actually draw a contrast between himself and Obama.[/quote]
How did Newt spend his time? The same way that he spent his money, attacking Romney. That’s politics Sloth. You act like this is the first time you’ve ever seen a national primary. Come on man that’s the game. It happens very much like this every four years. Stop acting like it’s an outrageous infraction of the rules. You’re telling two guys in a street fight that they can’t kick to the groin.
Secondly, stop thinking that the republican has to draw a great contrast with Obama. In fact, sometimes that the fastest way to lose. You want to be different enough but not off the wall different as that can scare people. Keep in mind what happens to nominees who are too far left or too far right. They get beaten by wide margins!
Finally, as I’ve said in the past I love Rick Santorum. And if he was the party nominee I would gladly support him with money and time. But he’s not going to be the nominee Mitt Romney is going to be the nominee. Get used to the idea.
A Romney/Rubio ticket would stand a very good chance of defeating Obama.[/quote]
Agree that Romney-Rubio can beat Obama. Should that be the showdown against Obama in November, it will be pretty close. [/quote]
Why? Because of the Latino vote? As I have said before many Latinos view Rubio as a puppet. As the saying goes there are Latinos and then there are Cubans. Support may not be there.
[quote]xXSeraphimXx wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
And how did he spend that money? Burning bridges. I think 96% of ads were negative? The party is fractured. He can’t beat Obama. And Obama will have the money advantage. Time for principled conservatives to choose the honorable Santorum. A man who stuck to the issues. Romney and Newt should drop, knowing that they’ve turned off each other’s supporters. Then, support the Conservative one doesn’t have to hold his nose for. The guy who stuck to the issues, exposing Romney and his big-government progressive streak (individual mandates, cap and trade, etc.). And even Newt for his flirtations with the individual mandates, cap and trade, etc. The only conservative that can actually draw a contrast between himself and Obama.[/quote]
How did Newt spend his time? The same way that he spent his money, attacking Romney. That’s politics Sloth. You act like this is the first time you’ve ever seen a national primary. Come on man that’s the game. It happens very much like this every four years. Stop acting like it’s an outrageous infraction of the rules. You’re telling two guys in a street fight that they can’t kick to the groin.
Secondly, stop thinking that the republican has to draw a great contrast with Obama. In fact, sometimes that the fastest way to lose. You want to be different enough but not off the wall different as that can scare people. Keep in mind what happens to nominees who are too far left or too far right. They get beaten by wide margins!
Finally, as I’ve said in the past I love Rick Santorum. And if he was the party nominee I would gladly support him with money and time. But he’s not going to be the nominee Mitt Romney is going to be the nominee. Get used to the idea.
A Romney/Rubio ticket would stand a very good chance of defeating Obama.[/quote]
Agree that Romney-Rubio can beat Obama. Should that be the showdown against Obama in November, it will be pretty close. [/quote]
Why? Because of the Latino vote? As I have said before many Latinos view Rubio as a puppet. As the saying goes there are Latinos and then there are Cubans. Support may not be there. [/quote]
That’s not the point. Will we get more support from the hispanic community if Rubio is on the ticket or if say the Governor of Ohio is on the ticket?
So 20% (or even more) of this important group thinks Rubio is a puppet. The other 80% or so will flock to the ticket. And without Rubio the republicans don’t even get half that demographic–It’s a numbers game pal.
[quote]xXSeraphimXx wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
And how did he spend that money? Burning bridges. I think 96% of ads were negative? The party is fractured. He can’t beat Obama. And Obama will have the money advantage. Time for principled conservatives to choose the honorable Santorum. A man who stuck to the issues. Romney and Newt should drop, knowing that they’ve turned off each other’s supporters. Then, support the Conservative one doesn’t have to hold his nose for. The guy who stuck to the issues, exposing Romney and his big-government progressive streak (individual mandates, cap and trade, etc.). And even Newt for his flirtations with the individual mandates, cap and trade, etc. The only conservative that can actually draw a contrast between himself and Obama.[/quote]
How did Newt spend his time? The same way that he spent his money, attacking Romney. That’s politics Sloth. You act like this is the first time you’ve ever seen a national primary. Come on man that’s the game. It happens very much like this every four years. Stop acting like it’s an outrageous infraction of the rules. You’re telling two guys in a street fight that they can’t kick to the groin.
Secondly, stop thinking that the republican has to draw a great contrast with Obama. In fact, sometimes that the fastest way to lose. You want to be different enough but not off the wall different as that can scare people. Keep in mind what happens to nominees who are too far left or too far right. They get beaten by wide margins!
Finally, as I’ve said in the past I love Rick Santorum. And if he was the party nominee I would gladly support him with money and time. But he’s not going to be the nominee Mitt Romney is going to be the nominee. Get used to the idea.
A Romney/Rubio ticket would stand a very good chance of defeating Obama.[/quote]
Agree that Romney-Rubio can beat Obama. Should that be the showdown against Obama in November, it will be pretty close. [/quote]
Why? Because of the Latino vote? As I have said before many Latinos view Rubio as a puppet. As the saying goes there are Latinos and then there are Cubans. Support may not be there. [/quote]
It’s tough to say, since I am not Latino. But one thing seems to be clear, people vote with their wallet. Obama has not done much about jobs, he probably has done the best he could, but I think people thought he would calm the oceans, and clear up the smog, all in the same day.
The assumptions about what Obama could do were drastically over-hyped.
Obama promised too much, to too many people. He did what all politicians do. Mr. Hopey-Changey ended up saying whatever he needed to to get elected. When it times to delivering, he is like Shaq at the free-throw line.
Why do the top 2 GOP nomination OOZE doucheness from their skin?
I mean sure people don’t like Obama etc, but in general he doesn’t seem like a douche.
But Romney and Newt just fill the room with douchness when they enter it.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
He’ll win Colorado too as they trend more moderate.
Minnesota is an easy win as their former Governor who was in the Presidential race Tim Pawlenty dropped out and endorsed Romney.
Missouri is a win for Romney as the momentum by this point will be too great for Gingrich to overcome.
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Wrong, wrong, and wrong. Would it be rude of me to pint out that you could not possibly have been more wrong?
[quote]Razorslim wrote:ZEB wrote:
He’ll win Colorado too as they trend more moderate.
Minnesota is an easy win as their former Governor who was in the Presidential race Tim Pawlenty dropped out and endorsed Romney.
Missouri is a win for Romney as the momentum by this point will be too great for Gingrich to overcome.
Wrong, wrong, and wrong. Would it be rude of me to pint out that you could not possibly have been more wrong?
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Rude, no judging by your posting history you’re just being you…a douche bag. And since we are quoting posts I did say this about two weeks ago.