Lets Arm The Teachers...

Off Topic Politics and World Issues
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[quote]lothario1132 wrote:
Guns aren’t the problem. Idiots are. So far, the best we’ve been able to do to separate the idiots from people who are responsible enough to be trusted with a firearm is to check police records for felonies.

And that’s gonna have to be good enough, guys. Our personal liberty is worth more to us than some false sense of security from passing gun control laws.

Or is it?[/quote]

“They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”

– Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759.

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[quote]lothario1132 wrote:

In reality, the guns tend to be in the hands of the bad guys and not the victims because folks think that cops have magic powers or that nothing bad like a mugging or rape could ever happen to them, so they don’t prepare for the worst.
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Man, I’ve written/used this exact sentiment so many times I’ve lost count. Hope someone perfects that “good-guys-only” force field technology soon so we can have “safe neighborhoods”.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:

I left that HS at the end of the school year when a teacher was stabbed (requiring over a hundred stiches). [/quote]

What were they stabbed with ?

A combine harvester ?

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[quote]Digital Chainsaw wrote:
lothario1132 wrote:

In reality, the guns tend to be in the hands of the bad guys and not the victims because folks think that cops have magic powers or that nothing bad like a mugging or rape could ever happen to them, so they don’t prepare for the worst.

Man, I’ve written/used this exact sentiment so many times I’ve lost count. Hope someone perfects that “good-guys-only” force field technology soon so we can have “safe neighborhoods”.[/quote]

True, brother. It’s like people project this illusion of safety around themselves, as long as they haven’t been exposed to real violence, or if they think that they aren’t in a “dangerous” place.

“I don’t need to know how to fight. I don’t need to carry a weapon, I only associate with ‘good’ people.”

And that illusion is what makes them easy prey. The reality is that the food chain isn’t gone, it’s just been changed from teeth and claws into knives and guns, and the hunger which drives the predator is just as strong as it’s always been.

One time a crackhead broke into my car right in front of two cops standing thirty feet away. He was so desperate and high and wanted more junk that he didn’t even care. Needless to say, he was caught rather quickly, LOL and I had to give a statement, etc. His total take: the change from my console totalling a whopping five dollars or so. Yeah, that’s worth going back to jail for.

You can’t reason with these kinds of people. When that cheetah charges an antelope, the antelope isn’t saying “wait, now, is this really fair?” I’d like to meet the guy who talked his way out of a carjacking or the woman who used words to convince a rapist or mugger that he is wrong for attacking her, and thus defused a potentially harmful or lethal encounter with her debate skills.

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[quote]lothario1132 wrote:
Digital Chainsaw wrote:
lothario1132 wrote:

In reality, the guns tend to be in the hands of the bad guys and not the victims because folks think that cops have magic powers or that nothing bad like a mugging or rape could ever happen to them, so they don’t prepare for the worst.

Man, I’ve written/used this exact sentiment so many times I’ve lost count. Hope someone perfects that “good-guys-only” force field technology soon so we can have “safe neighborhoods”.

True, brother. It’s like people project this illusion of safety around themselves, as long as they haven’t been exposed to real violence, or if they think that they aren’t in a “dangerous” place.

“I don’t need to know how to fight. I don’t need to carry a weapon, I only associate with ‘good’ people.”

And that illusion is what makes them easy prey. The reality is that the food chain isn’t gone, it’s just been changed from teeth and claws into knives and guns, and the hunger which drives the predator is just as strong as it’s always been.

One time a crackhead broke into my car right in front of two cops standing thirty feet away. He was so desperate and high and wanted more junk that he didn’t even care. Needless to say, he was caught rather quickly, LOL and I had to give a statement, etc. His total take: the change from my console totalling a whopping five dollars or so. Yeah, that’s worth going back to jail for.

You can’t reason with these kinds of people. When that cheetah charges an antelope, the antelope isn’t saying “wait, now, is this really fair?” I’d like to meet the guy who talked his way out of a carjacking or the woman who used words to convince a rapist or mugger that he is wrong for attacking her, and thus defused a potentially harmful or lethal encounter with her debate skills.[/quote]

Well said.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Maccer101 wrote:
Americans have never been guilty of any ethnic cleasning have they? Oops were did all those Native Americans go to?

Sorry pal. I will not take responsibility for things that happened generations ago. No one is still alive from that period.

Holocaust survivors are still around. The latest round of European ethnic cleansing was very recent.[/quote]

Of course you won’t take reponsibility. But you expect me to take it for something that happened generations ago? You’re a tool Zap.

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[quote]TornadoTommy wrote:
Wreckless, I have to ask, why are you so interested in America? I could give a fuck about what happens in Belgium. Maybe it’s because that we Americans enjoy more freedom (right to self defense) than those of you across the pond?[/quote]

Your right to self defense didn’t do much for the girls in that school shooting did it?

Enjoy your freedom Tommy.

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I couldn’t care less if you Yanks want to continue to kill each other.

After all, it’s your right to self defense. And if you need a guns to keep you warm and give you a false sense of safety, well that’s your choice.

Just one more question. Why aren’t all those NRA-cheerleaders packing. I mean the politicians. Could it be that they have enough police to guard them and keep the guns at bay?

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
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It was fun watching you rip Wreckless a new one that a 747 could fly through! I salute the Master!!

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HH, your mindless cheerleading doesn’t inmpress anybody. It’s pathetic.

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[quote]Wreckless wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Maccer101 wrote:
Americans have never been guilty of any ethnic cleasning have they? Oops were did all those Native Americans go to?

Sorry pal. I will not take responsibility for things that happened generations ago. No one is still alive from that period.

Holocaust survivors are still around. The latest round of European ethnic cleansing was very recent.

Of course you won’t take reponsibility. But you expect me to take it for something that happened generations ago? You’re a tool Zap.[/quote]

Isn’t Serbia part of Europe? Was that generations ago?

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[quote]Wreckless wrote:
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Just one more question. Why aren’t all those NRA-cheerleaders packing. I mean the politicians. Could it be that they have enough police to guard them and keep the guns at bay?[/quote]

Yes. They have armed bodyguards. As do the anti-gunners.

I am my own bodyguard.

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[quote]Wreckless wrote:
I couldn’t care less if you Yanks want to continue to kill each other.

After all, it’s your right to self defense. And if you need a guns to keep you warm and give you a false sense of safety, well that’s your choice.

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Wreckless, if some guy breaks into my house, he is in big fucking trouble. If he breaks into your house, you are in big trouble.

I like my odds a shitload better than yours, my friend. No offense, but a gun isn’t a false sense of security, it’s a real one.

Common sense? :slight_smile:

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If we coul get back to the original poin and knock off this uttely pointless continent-bashing…

Arming teachers is an absolutely moronic idea.

First off, would all teachers need to be licensed to carry? We need licenses to teach, to perform CPR, etc…so I don’t think the states would just hand us weapons. Schools barely have money for books, let alone sending every teacher (and substitute) to gun school.

Second: where would the gun be? I would assume it would be under lock and key. In an emergency, would it be accessible? I doubt it.

Third: if the weapon were NOT under lock and key, how long until one of the little numbnuts stole it and did something stupid with it? I’m not even raising the possibility of the gun being used to commit a crime, just something stupid. (Teens never do anything dumb for no reason whatsoever, right?)

Bad idea all around. Most schools around me have armed security guards. Let’s leave the shooting to the profesionals.

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[quote]harris447 wrote:
If we coul get back to the original poin and knock off this uttely pointless continent-bashing…

Arming teachers is an absolutely moronic idea.

First off, would all teachers need to be licensed to carry? We need licenses to teach, to perform CPR, etc…so I don’t think the states would just hand us weapons. Schools barely have money for books, let alone sending every teacher (and substitute) to gun school.

Second: where would the gun be? I would assume it would be under lock and key. In an emergency, would it be accessible? I doubt it.

Third: if the weapon were NOT under lock and key, how long until one of the little numbnuts stole it and did something stupid with it? I’m not even raising the possibility of the gun being used to commit a crime, just something stupid. (Teens never do anything dumb for no reason whatsoever, right?)

Bad idea all around. Most schools around me have armed security guards. Let’s leave the shooting to the profesionals.[/quote]

Of course it is a stupid idea. Wreckless had it.

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[quote]Wreckless wrote:
TornadoTommy wrote:
Wreckless, I have to ask, why are you so interested in America? I could give a fuck about what happens in Belgium. Maybe it’s because that we Americans enjoy more freedom (right to self defense) than those of you across the pond?

Your right to self defense didn’t do much for the girls in that school shooting did it?

Enjoy your freedom Tommy.

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Those of you across the pond ? Talk about generalisations FFS.

Britain is far ‘free-er’ than the US will ever be for millions of reasons. I don’t know about France and co, as far as I know they still have national service.

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[quote]stig II wrote:
Wreckless wrote:
TornadoTommy wrote:
Wreckless, I have to ask, why are you so interested in America? I could give a fuck about what happens in Belgium. Maybe it’s because that we Americans enjoy more freedom (right to self defense) than those of you across the pond?

Your right to self defense didn’t do much for the girls in that school shooting did it?

Enjoy your freedom Tommy.

Those of you across the pond ? Talk about generalisations FFS.

Britain is far ‘free-er’ than the US will ever be for millions of reasons. I don’t know about France and co, as far as I know they still have national service. [/quote]

You are joking aren’t you?

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:

You are joking aren’t you?

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Im pretty sure he isnt. I posted this before, but somehow Americans don`t get it.

I dont want to post any reasons, Id like to hear his.

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[quote]orion wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:

You are joking aren’t you?

Im pretty sure he isnt. I posted this before, but somehow Americans don`t get it.

I dont want to post any reasons, Id like to hear his.
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Me, too.

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[quote]stig II wrote:
Headhunter wrote:

I left that HS at the end of the school year when a teacher was stabbed (requiring over a hundred stiches).

What were they stabbed with ?

A combine harvester ?

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She got between two gangs, one black and one white. Thought she could sooth the situation. Nope. We were surprised that she lived.

She’s now a cop, of all things.

HH

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[quote]lothario1132 wrote:
Wreckless wrote:
I couldn’t care less if you Yanks want to continue to kill each other.

After all, it’s your right to self defense. And if you need a guns to keep you warm and give you a false sense of safety, well that’s your choice.

Wreckless, if some guy breaks into my house, he is in big fucking trouble. If he breaks into your house, you are in big trouble.

I like my odds a shitload better than yours, my friend. No offense, but a gun isn’t a false sense of security, it’s a real one.

Common sense? :)[/quote]

Ok, let’s apply a bit of common sense here.

If some guy breaks into your house, he’s more likely to have a gun than they guy breaking into my house.

So why I may loose some stuff, you may loose your life. I like my odds better than yours.