I’ve heard arguments on both sides. Those who have experience more than one of the following; which did you prefer the most, and what do you think the pros and cons were?
A) Tren higher than Test
B) Same dose Tren/Test
C) Tren lower than Test
Please share your experience with different esters and their relationship to the topic (if any) aswell.
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I’ve done 500test 400tren twice , then 500test 300tren, and both did great for adding size and strength. Next cycle im looking to change and do 1:1 ratio at 400mg for 7 weeks then 500mg for 5 weeks, Then cruise on test e.
Both enthanate
I ran tren lower then my test. It worked well but I’m not sure I got all of the pros of tren running it that way
What would you assume the benefits of running Tren higher would be?
I’m not an expert on tren, I’ve ran it twice, both times less than test. I just didn’t get the amazing results I thought I would, could be how my body reacts to it, idk. Could be my gear was a little underdosed🤷♂️ I was also running e both times so idk if that could be it. Never ran ace
There’s no adequate ratio, it’s all broscience so you’ll merely have to go by anecdotal/individualistic experience as no literature exists regarding this topic. It APPEARS less side effects appear on lower test/ higher tren… but I dispute this as I believe if you’re not getting tren sides on low test, you’re not going to magically get tren sides on higher test, you’d just be getting test sides + tren sides… but perhaps I’m wrong
My first tren experience was with enanthate (I don’t recommend jumping in with this long ester it’s just not strategically smart). I took 200mgs a week with 400 mgs of a long estered blended test. I think it was isocaproate, enanthate, cypionate, decanoate or undecanoate. 100mgs of each. By far this was my best tren response period! The movement I made on this cycle was significant. I originally wanted to do the whole “body recomp” but modified for my situation. I ate clean and I’ll be damned if even though I tried to cut and loose fat if I didn’t pack lean mass on like it was going out of style. I can thank the whole nutrition partition improvement that comes with tren.
Since then I typically run tren at 400mgs a week. I have run test at the same level and up to 750mgs a week. I now only go at a comparative level of about one to one. I personally get estrogen issues on speed once I go over about 600-650 so at 750 I just can’t dial everything in well enough to do what I want.
Usually I mix in dihydroboldenone cypionate aka 1-test with my tren and test. Just something with these three that mix well for me. About two to three weeks in I feel like I am made of marble, I don’t know how else to say it. Depending on how I go into the cycle, I can usually get at least a solid lean 5 lbs and loose a few body fat percentage points. Admittedly I am not as motivated during my cruise periods, I had a girlfriend that would have told me I was hot even with a beer belly. I didn’t let go on my cruises but I wasn’t as strict as I should have been so there was always the beginning of each blast where I had to undue some laziness and complacency side effects.
About a year ago I made a post on here because I saw a YouTube from a guy who said he ran “low tren” for gains and “high tren” for cutting. Now his “low” was around 400mgs a week and his “high” was 750 or more, I forget. His explanation for the high dose cutting is there is just no way for fat to store or stay with levels this high. It in a way makes sense but I don’t think I would ever have the balls to try it.
Now if you step back and say he was exaggerating his doses or his gear was underdosed and my gear was spot on, then there might be something to think about here. If his “400” was really close to my 200 then I do have to point out that first tren cycle was by far the best movement I ever had. I literally was trying to cut but kept gaining. Then if his “750” or whatever is really closer to my 400 then yeah I don’t really make huge gains at that dose, I make great movements with definition. I do definitely gain and what I get is solid as marble or granite but you have to keep in mind my development level. I am way past the part of this journey where any combination or dose will get me 15-20 lbs of quality in a 10 week blast. It sucks and I keep hoping to prove this wrong but it just isn’t happening.
After thinking about it and writing this I realize I never tried a second tren cycle at or around 200mgs. I think I need to try this because maybe for me it’s where I can gain the most efficiently on tren.
Have used tren ace at a 1:1 with test in the past, experienced all the tren sides (night sweats, cardio, and eventually ED). That was over 5 years ago. I’m going to try a 2:1 high(er) tren/low test short cycle in a few months. Plan is TRT levels of test e, with 350mg/week tren ace for 3-4 weeks. From what I’ve read of guys who did high tren/low test, they had much reduced sides but still had cardio issues. For this reason, I also stocked up on some cardarine to take concurrently to see if it really helps negate the tren cardio thing. I’ve taken cardarine before by itself, and saw some definite cardio benefits from it while on. This 4 weeks of tren will feed into an 8 week high dose primo cycle.
If I don’t forget, I’ll throw up a little post with my results from this.
Do you think the ED was prolactin related?
With tren, I believe you have to find what is the correct amount to get what you want out of it, while avoiding sides. The ratio talk is all bullshit. There is no magic ratio that everyone will do well on. Low test high tren was all the rage a while back, and it absolutely sucks IMO/experience. Moderate test with low tren is where I felt good, when I did still use that compound. 1:1 was by far the most side prone ratio for me in the past. If you’re going to dabble with tren, try to use the least amount possible that is effective for you.
Not sure. I was taking P5P, SAMe, and Vit E for prolactin control. It worked (or seemed to) through most of the short cycles, but the last 1-2 were when I started having issues. The other thought I have is there was some form of a ‘saturation’ effect, where whatever caused the issue was slowly building until it became noticeable. Hence the reason for the short run I intend for this next one. Should happen in April.
Agreed. With most things I think most people fall into a normal bell curve distribution, and I think that still applies to some extent in this context - I think most lifters who have used tren just ‘accept’ the sides and never try to find a better way to use it. “My guy told me to take it this way, and he really knows his stuff, so that’s the only way I’ll take it” is something I’ve heard from quite a few juicers. Given the wide variation in experiences from tren, I agree that it is much more individual than most people realize.
Hi, were you doing lean bulking on long-ester low tren/high test? I did short ester high tren/low test and got really lean because it suppressed my appetite, but now I want to gain lean mass.
You do know this and all the other dead threads you woke up is 2 years old and no one will probably answer this? 