I’ve considered adding the abductor machine because I often get very tight in the outside part of my hips when doing any form of bench pressing.
That or band walks[/quote]
I do too. I did the abductor on Wednesday and it was owie in my hips like benching. I get the tight hips when I am trying to get down into my arch. At meets, I have to spend half the time between the squat and bench just stretching out my hips. I’m benching tonight so we’ll see how it feels. I feel like a goof using those machines, but I suppose I should try anything that might help…
[quote]jp_dubya wrote:
So and so wrote that he did it so I am going to. grins. [/quote]
So is it better to ignore the fact that people have done this movement with success to fill in that area? Do me a favor… take a look at pictures of David Henry from 2003/2004 and today and take a good look at the upper inner thigh area(hold the gay jokes) and tell me there isn’t a huge difference.
Go figure out what he did to address that, the answer might surprise you(well it shouldn’t).
[quote]AndyG wrote:
I agree with you DG. People do alreagy target these muscles with exercises like 45 degree travelling lunges or side lunges.[/quote]
True. The main problem with the ad/abductor machines is that they’re usually designed with women in mind. I’ve never tried one where I couldn’t throw the whole stack around with ease. I sometimes use the abductor one to stretch though.
Mix up the terminology? ADDuctors “ADD” your legs together.
[quote]Scott M wrote:
jp_dubya wrote:
So and so wrote that he did it so I am going to. grins.
So is it better to ignore the fact that people have done this movement with success to fill in that area? Do me a favor… take a look at pictures of David Henry from 2003/2004 and today and take a good look at the upper inner thigh area(hold the gay jokes) and tell me there isn’t a huge difference.
Go figure out what he did to address that, the answer might surprise you(well it shouldn’t).
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“So and so wrote that he did it so I am going to. grins.”
It’s not just “so and so”.
POSSIBLY THE GREATEST LEGS IN BODYBUILDING HAVE BEEN BUILT WITH THE ADDITION OF THIS MACHINE!
I’d rather thake that for what it’s worth instead of listen to some scientific bullshit thats spewed about all over the place.
And for those of you who think that I’m relying only on this exercise alone to build muscle… I’m not. I squat sometimes up to 400-500lbs for reps, I’ve done 20rep squats with 275-315… I’ll stack up the leg press and do 3x12… point I’m trying to make is I bust ass and have my training partners calling in sick on leg day. This machine will just be an addition to the end of my ham/calves day.
[quote]Scott M wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
Scott M wrote:
Doyle wrote:
I don’t know why you would want to build size in that area
Because it’s an enormous part of the thigh when viewed from the front. Most people won’t need to ever do them but some people will have an inner thigh weakness(especially taller guys) and that machine will take care of it no doubt.
From a BB perspective, there is no need to do these abductor/adductor exercises because deadlifts hit that just fine.
For everyone? [/quote]
As people have different muscle lengths, origins, insertions, etc., I would say probably for most people. But it’s like anything, use what works for you. But as jeho stated, these muscles come close to being primarily stabilizer muscles and as such don’t have too much ability to build like prime movers.
[quote]davidtower wrote:
I’ve considered adding the abductor machine because I often get very tight in the outside part of my hips when doing any form of bench pressing.
That or band walks[/quote]
do that machine and you’ll make the problem worse.
The ABductor machine (funny I’m typing this, I just had a guy come and ask me how to strengthen his quads, he has ITB tightness, and he started off saying he does the ABductor machine) puts the body out of it’s ideal biomechanical position for ABduction of the leg, thus causing tightness (to put it simply) in the ITB.
A better version would be from the standing position from doing the same movement. If you find your knees cave in while squatting, a weak or non-firing glute medius is most likely the problem, thus a standing leg ABduction would help.
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
davidtower wrote:
I’ve considered adding the abductor machine because I often get very tight in the outside part of my hips when doing any form of bench pressing.
That or band walks
do that machine and you’ll make the problem worse.
The ABductor machine (funny I’m typing this, I just had a guy come and ask me how to strengthen his quads, he has ITB tightness, and he started off saying he does the ABductor machine) puts the body out of it’s ideal biomechanical position for ABduction of the leg, thus causing tightness (to put it simply) in the ITB.
A better version would be from the standing position from doing the same movement. If you find your knees cave in while squatting, a weak or non-firing glute medius is most likely the problem, thus a standing leg ABduction would help.[/quote]
[quote]Scott M wrote:
jp_dubya wrote:
So and so wrote that he did it so I am going to. grins.
So is it better to ignore the fact that people have done this movement with success to fill in that area? Do me a favor… take a look at pictures of David Henry from 2003/2004 and today and take a good look at the upper inner thigh area(hold the gay jokes) and tell me there isn’t a huge difference.
Go figure out what he did to address that, the answer might surprise you(well it shouldn’t).
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quite a leap. Not better to ignore the success of some at all. What about the millions upon millions that have tried this and have gained no appreciable amount of mass?
In the end I wrote, try and see, and another tool in your tool bag.
Yesterday I made a great protein shake.
added protein
added ice
added bottled water
added cinnamon
blended, added a half a banana, then some frozen blueberries
Thing is, I put it in a new glass, and man it was the most delicious.
Must have been the glass
[quote]jp_dubya wrote:
What about the millions upon millions that have tried this and have gained no appreciable amount of mass?
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The same could be said about weight training in general…
Millions and millions start this, very few ever gain any appreciable mass anywhere lol.
Even the abs which are pretty low growth potential will thicken up if given progressively harder resistance in proper movements, I don’t see the inner thighs as different. Will they ever be a standout bodypart like Platz? No.
If they are a weakpoint and you hammer them for months-years getting stronger and stronger using that machine for a full range of motion(and maybe a 2 second stretch) going from most of the stack for 20 to the stack +110 lb dumbbell chained to it for 18 reps they will grow as much as they can in my eyes during that time period.
If put in the hands of a smart progressive trainer it will work if need be and I’ll leave it at that.
[quote]Scott M wrote:
jp_dubya wrote:
What about the millions upon millions that have tried this and have gained no appreciable amount of mass?
The same could be said about weight training in general…
Millions and millions start this, very few ever gain any appreciable mass anywhere lol.
Even the abs which are pretty low growth potential will thicken up if given progressively harder resistance in proper movements, I don’t see the inner thighs as different. Will they ever be a standout bodypart like Platz? No.
If they are a weakpoint and you hammer them for months-years getting stronger and stronger using that machine for a full range of motion(and maybe a 2 second stretch) going from most of the stack for 20 to the stack +110 lb dumbbell chained to it for 18 reps they will grow as much as they can in my eyes during that time period.
If put in the hands of a smart progressive trainer it will work if need be and I’ll leave it at that.[/quote]
I definitely agree. This is not an attack on anybody, but this is the difference between somebody with a bodybuilding mind .vs. somebody who lifts weights recreationally. Far too many people consider what I may do in the gym crazy or stupid, because it may be different then what the “common thing to do is” the thing is at the end of the day I’m still improving while those other people aren’t. In bodybuilding you are looking for any and every edge you can with your training to try and improve your physique.
If I told some average dood I put on 4lbs of lean muscle since my last show, they’d think ‘so what that’s only 4lbs’…tell a fellow bodybuilder that and you’ll get ‘wow man, 4lbs thats great!’
Phil Heath put on 10-12lbs of new muscle and look how the industry flipped…your average person wouldn’t think anything of it.
Point is, if this machine adds 1/8 of an inch on my inner thighs over the next few months, or somehow adds definition to my legs…then it’s worth it imo.
im gonna do them tomorrow which is my “leftovers” day. basically all the minor lifts i cant fit during my regular week get pushed into the same day. calves, abs, shoulders, now hip ab/adductors.
wondering if this will help decrease tension in the IT band and hip area in general?
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
im gonna do them tomorrow which is my “leftovers” day. basically all the minor lifts i cant fit during my regular week get pushed into the same day. calves, abs, shoulders, now hip ab/adductors.
wondering if this will help decrease tension in the IT band and hip area in general?[/quote]
read my post above, the ABductor machine will make ITB tightness worse. If you want to hit the glute medius, do a standing version.
if you have tightness in the ITB, hit it up on the foam roller
I work the Beaver Tron every 3 leg day. You can’t beat that pain Gerd. I mean my stack goes up to 300lbs. I doubt MILFS and gym bunnies work up that high.
[quote]Growing_Boy wrote:
I work the Beaver Tron every 3 leg day. You can’t beat that pain Gerd. I mean my stack goes up to 300lbs. I doubt MILFS and gym bunnies work up that high. [/quote]
lol Beaver Tron! Yea dood for 3 days after I did that dang thing I was sore. The day after was almost unbearable. I can take doms…but to the groin area no thank you!
[quote]Scott M wrote:
jp_dubya wrote:
What about the millions upon millions that have tried this and have gained no appreciable amount of mass?
The same could be said about weight training in general…
Millions and millions start this, very few ever gain any appreciable mass anywhere lol.
Even the abs which are pretty low growth potential will thicken up if given progressively harder resistance in proper movements, I don’t see the inner thighs as different. Will they ever be a standout bodypart like Platz? No.
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