[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Who’s up for the title shot next?[/quote]
JDS unless something unexpected (injury) happens. Junior is definitely one of my biggest favourites, but I’m haveing really hard time figuring out how could he possibly beat Cain. I mean sure, he trains BJJ with Nogueiras, but he is only brown belt, and considering how Anderson Silva who has black belt under Nogueiras suffered some punishment from Sonnen and took a beating for 4.5 rounds before finally being able to catch that triangle, I’m figuring Cain won’t need that long to smash Juniors face in. Only chance JDS is gonna take it is if Cain gets too confident with his hands, because there are wery few guys in the HW who can match JDS in that department (Carwin and Overeem are the ones that come in mind, and maybe Fedor aswell) .
About the match, I was expecting Cain to have some problems early on considering the size andvantage Lesnar had over Velasquez, but that was a beating nobody probably expected. Lesnars striking looked like he had been working on it, actually I think it looked pretty decent up to the point when he got punched in the face and the rest is history. All you can basically say is HOLY SHIT! To be honest, right now I’m haveing hard time seeing how anyone in the UFC could take that belt away from Cain. I dealt with the JDS match earlier, and I even believe he could avoid Carwins powerbombs for the first round by hanging on his leg, maybe even take him down. After the 2nd, it’d be a much different game with Cain haveing a decent advantage over Shane (I’m not saying Carwin is going to gas like he did against Lesnar though, but that is one big body and pushing a huge body like that to work at the intensity thats needed for MMA match takes a shitload of gas). I think he could deal with Mir just like Lesnar did, and Nog he already dealt with. Whose left in UFCs HW? Maybe Nelson, but I’m not seeing him as a significant threat for Cain either.
I think the most intresting match to make would be the big O’Reem vs. Velasquez, Reem is probably even stronger of an animal than Brock, and his standup is second to none in all the HWs in the MMA, not to mention he is a very good grapler as well. I really don’t know which one would come on top on that match up, after the rapeing Cain put on Brock today I really don’t have a fucking clue but I hope we’ll find out one day.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I still feel Carwin’s the only guy who can beat Lesnar [at least right now], but Velasquez pulling off the upset wouldn’t be too shocking. Don’t think it’s gonna happen though. I will say that when Lesnar loses the title I don’t think he’ll ever get it back.[/quote]
Agree with the 1st and 2nd points. Carwin, once he gets his cardio in order, is at the top of the heap. Even if Velasquez does get the title, he can’t beat an in-shape Carwin. Can’t take him down, and can’t take a punch from him.[/quote]
Carwin will never be in that kind of shape.[/quote]
Maybe if he switches the roids with epo
Guess Cain had the style to beat Brock. Better striking and ability to get up when taken down beat Brock. Kind of reminds me of Chuck Liddell.
Mir is probably sitting somewhere thinking “If only I were able to get up when Brock took me down cuz I can punch like Cain.”
[quote]fnf wrote:
Guess Cain had the style to beat Brock. Better striking and ability to get up when taken down beat Brock. Kind of reminds me of Chuck Liddell.
Mir is probably sitting somewhere thinking “If only I were able to get up when Brock took me down cuz I can punch like Cain.”[/quote]
Brocks conditioning was also shit. He was gassed halfway through to first round. Even in his early fights he would get gassed just taking someone down and the comentators would cover for him by saying he’s “taking his time” and “being patient”
wow…i called that wrong. i wasn’t completely surprised that Cain won, as he is a really talented guy…but i did not expect it to be so damn fast.
Brock is apparently one of the people who simply cannot stand getting hit…which really sucks, when he’s got ox’s like Cain and Carwin smakcing ya in the melon. i disagree about his conditioning though…he did 3 rds against Herring at a pretty decent pace, and he steam rolled Mir (the 2nd time), and outlast Carwin (who had the benefit of altitude training)…
i agree that the HW matchups are kinda jacked up now…i don’t think JDS is gonna do much against Cain. really Carwin is the only legt HW contender right now. weird stuff.
[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:
Pat Barry vs JDS make it happen UFC.[/quote]
JDS is fighting Cain why the fuck would he fight Patt Barry? You know he just lost and is injured.
[quote]fnf wrote:
Guess Cain had the style to beat Brock. Better striking and ability to get up when taken down beat Brock. Kind of reminds me of Chuck Liddell.
Mir is probably sitting somewhere thinking “If only I were able to get up when Brock took me down cuz I can punch like Cain.”[/quote]
Brocks conditioning was also shit. He was gassed halfway through to first round. Even in his early fights he would get gassed just taking someone down and the comentators would cover for him by saying he’s “taking his time” and “being patient”[/quote]
Nope, he got rocked, first by a left hook (right before the standing hammer fist), then by colliding with Cain’s forearm as he shot in (before the drunken monkey twirl). Cain won by out-hustling him. Also, pacing is a big part of cardio as we define it.
e.g 1: Carwin went for broke in the Brock fight then had to fight another round. This is similar to running a 400m, sprinting the last 200m, and trying to run another 400m.
e.g 2: Cain paces himself very well. He has a higher output rate than anyone at HW or LHW, but never ‘sprints’. Most of his punches aren’t all out, his scrambling is near effortless. He puts on sustained punishment as opposed to constantly going for the finish, even in a fight he ends in the first round.
[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:
Pat Barry vs JDS make it happen UFC.[/quote]
JDS is fighting Cain why the fuck would he fight Patt Barry? You know he just lost and is injured.[/quote]
Hell yes, plus why feed Barry to the wolves? He needs to work on his TDD and ground game before he can even touch the guys at the top of the division. Give him Kongo.
[quote]fnf wrote:
Guess Cain had the style to beat Brock. Better striking and ability to get up when taken down beat Brock. Kind of reminds me of Chuck Liddell.
Mir is probably sitting somewhere thinking “If only I were able to get up when Brock took me down cuz I can punch like Cain.”[/quote]
Brocks conditioning was also shit. He was gassed halfway through to first round. Even in his early fights he would get gassed just taking someone down and the comentators would cover for him by saying he’s “taking his time” and “being patient”[/quote]
Nope, he got rocked, first by a left hook (right before the standing hammer fist), then by colliding with Cain’s forearm as he shot in (before the drunken monkey twirl). Cain won by out-hustling him. Also, pacing is a big part of cardio as we define it.
e.g 1: Carwin went for broke in the Brock fight then had to fight another round. This is similar to running a 400m, sprinting the last 200m, and trying to run another 400m.
e.g 2: Cain paces himself very well. He has a higher output rate than anyone at HW or LHW, but never ‘sprints’. Most of his punches aren’t all out, his scrambling is near effortless. He puts on sustained punishment as opposed to constantly going for the finish, even in a fight he ends in the first round.[/quote]
it’s pure elegance, and that’s what years and years of perfecting technique does. You can tell he is really efficient and using his energy.
Great win for cain very pleased, proof that technique wins over just brawn. Obviousely a 245lbs bodybuilder will still probably beat a 145lbs MMA fighter, but at the heavyweight division at least.
I wouldn’t mind seeing a Lesnar/Mir III fight. I never liked Mir because of his cockyness and would like to see Lesnar beat him into the ground once again.
wow. what a one sided ass whipping. brock came out aggressive and throwing, but just like dana white and others on this thread have said, he cant take a punch, and his training and gameplan takes a hike once he gets hit.
watching the prime time shows, i could not help but wonder if having his own compound and being the superstar of the his own gym/training camp was a good thing. they need to bring in or send lesnar to diff trainers and sparing partners that will beat the shit out of him and make him better. pt him in with some elite level boxers and kickboxers with big gloves and head gear and teach him how to defend and take strikes, have him roll with some top level jujitsu guys and catch wrestlers who will stretch him and teach him how to work off his back and defend submissions.
at 33 years old, not sure how much better he can get, but he is such a genetic freak i think he can still be competitive in the octagon for a few more years if he works at it. his name recognition and star power can still lead him (and the ufc) to some big paydays if he trains smart.
