Lesnar vs. Velasquez

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[quote]krazykoukides wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]krazykoukides wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I still feel Carwin’s the only guy who can beat Lesnar [at least right now], but Velasquez pulling off the upset wouldn’t be too shocking. Don’t think it’s gonna happen though. I will say that when Lesnar loses the title I don’t think he’ll ever get it back.[/quote]

Why do you think he’d never get it back?

Not calling you out - I’d just like to hear why you feel that way.[/quote]

Lesnar’s strengths are obvious: Size, strength, fantastic wrestler, conditioning freak, etc… Right now it’s been enough to keep him at the top. But, Carwin exposed him. All the Lesnar lovers will point out [rightfully so] that Lesnar won. But I feel more like Carwin lost it than Lesnar won it. Lesnar’s been exposed. If Carwin had reeled it in realizing he wasn’t connecting when Lesnar was on his ass we’d be talking about Carwin/Velasquez for the title. I’m not sure Velasquez is big enough or has enough power to take it, but once there’s someone who is [Carwin] that person will stay at the top. Lesnar’s weaknesses are pretty glaring, and so far his strengths have been enough to nullify 'em. That won’t last, and when it’s exposed his reign is over.[/quote]

You make some nice points, whiteflash.

What do you think about the role his sickness played in his last performance , though?

Also, do you think Lesnar can vastly improve his skill set?
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Not Whiteflash but, I think it’s impossible to say whether Lesnar’s sickness was partly the cause of his lackluster first round in his fight with Carwin. However, I think that his stand-up had already been exposed (in the second Mir fight) and the fight with Carwin just really highlighted it.

Lesnar will mostly likely never be in the upper echelon of strikers in the HW division, but I think that with good coaching/training partners he can continue to improve his striking skill set. Hopefully (for him) he can at least reach the point where his striking is no longer a liability and is at least good enough to allow him to use it to set up his takedowns/wrestling.

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[quote]JHollywood wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I still feel Carwin’s the only guy who can beat Lesnar [at least right now], but Velasquez pulling off the upset wouldn’t be too shocking. Don’t think it’s gonna happen though. I will say that when Lesnar loses the title I don’t think he’ll ever get it back.[/quote]

Agree with the 1st and 2nd points. Carwin, once he gets his cardio in order, is at the top of the heap. Even if Velasquez does get the title, he can’t beat an in-shape Carwin. Can’t take him down, and can’t take a punch from him.[/quote]
Carwin will never be in that kind of shape.

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:slight_smile:

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Much credit to Cain Velasquez for doing what I never thought he could do.

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wow.
nice work.

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Just got home from watching the fight at a packed bar and all I can say is: Holy shit. Everyone in the group I was in was shocked. The whole bar was shocked. That was an absolute ass whoopin’. Velasquez looked at what Carwin did and corrected the mistakes. Lesnars reign is over. I honestly wouldn’t be surprised to see him retire, though I don’t think he will. Awesome performance by Velasquez.

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Holy.
Shit.

I’ll never doubt Cain again.

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I can not believe what I saw… Like I don’t know about yall but I was completely stunned. Just like holy shit… thats the outcome I wanted but the outcome I never expected.

Sorry zeb I was pulling for you… at least you broke even.

And fuck shields like seriously… I’m still pissed about that fight.

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[quote]Amiright wrote:
I can not believe what I saw… Like I don’t know about yall but I was completely stunned. Just like holy shit… thats the outcome I wanted but the outcome I never expected.
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x2

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That was pretty crazy. Not at all what I was expecting.

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lol, thankfully i parlayed a cain-shieldsby3rd decision-tom lawlor to win…damn though, i woulda won huge if lesnar had won…as for cain knocking him out, i thought it could happen, i just didnt think there was anyway in hell it would happen

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Holy shit. I was hoping Cain would win but wasn’t expecting it in the first round by GnP. Looks like brocks size wasn’t enough this time.

edit: And after hearing brock after the fight, he’s learned some humility. I respect him more now.

edit 2: and cain must have a vicious knee because Frank Mir landed a solid one to brocks face and it didn’t phase him but cain’s had brock running.

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Well, so much for the hype train. It’s not like this wasn’t predictable.

Lesnar did relativly well in his short (4-2 in the UFC) career. But he still has big, gaping holes in his game.

Valesquez wasn’t just the better man “that night”.
He is a very complete fighter, possibly the successor to Fedor’s throne. I don’t see anyone threatening him for a long time.

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Everybody’s got a plan… until they get hit.

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Although I was picking Cain to win, I was shocked by how dominant he was and especially how easily he got up when lesnar took him down

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Everybody’s got a plan… until they get hit.[/quote]

…and out-wrestled by a guy who is “too small” and “weak.”

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[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Well, so much for the hype train. It’s not like this wasn’t predictable.

Lesnar did relativly well in his short (4-2 in the UFC) career. But he still has big, gaping holes in his game.

Valesquez wasn’t just the better man “that night”.
He is a very complete fighter, possibly the successor to Fedor’s throne. I don’t see anyone threatening him for a long time.

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But…but…Lesnar is too big…and strong.

He’s still a legit fighter,imo…just not in the mold people want to believe. He was a fish out of water when his “awesome” size and strength didn’t triumph.

The true test for Lesnar is how he comes back from this…if he does.

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[quote]Big_Boss wrote:

[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Well, so much for the hype train. It’s not like this wasn’t predictable.

Lesnar did relativly well in his short (4-2 in the UFC) career. But he still has big, gaping holes in his game.

Valesquez wasn’t just the better man “that night”.
He is a very complete fighter, possibly the successor to Fedor’s throne. I don’t see anyone threatening him for a long time.

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But…but…Lesnar is too big…and strong.

He’s still a legit fighter,imo…just not in the mold people want to believe. He was a fish out of water when his “awesome” size and strength didn’t triumph.

The true test for Lesnar is how he comes back from this…if he does. [/quote]

I’m not ready to claim that Velasquez is the likely successor to Fedor’s throne just yet, but good God that guy is good. He completely exploited the holes in Lesnars game I spoke about earlier. I completely underestimated Velasquez’s strength and wrestling ability, at least in comparison to Lesnar’s. After the first Lesnar takedown one of my buddies yelled “it’s over”. When Velasquez stood up with seemingly little effort I thought “Holy shit, he might do this.” That was as one sided a beating as I’ve seen in a long time, and it’s awesome that Lesnar was on the recieving end. Who’s up for the title shot next?

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[quote]Big_Boss wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Everybody’s got a plan… until they get hit.[/quote]

…and out-wrestled by a guy who is “too small” and “weak.” [/quote]

again, lesnar cuts down from 300 to 265 for the fights. Mir and Heath both had several inches and at least 10 pounds on velasquez and weren’t able to stuff brocks takedowns, let alone get out from under him.

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:frowning: