Lesnar vs Overeem

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]Robert A wrote:

[quote]humble wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Saying that Lesnar “has a couple years experience” is not necessarily true. The guy was a world class wrestler, which translates pretty well to MMA.

Just sayin’.[/quote]

Bro, you’re usually well versed but this is just american hype machine. He’s not that world class a wrestler… bull rushes dont make you a great wrestler. 265 pounts helps

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He is a NATIONAL class wrestler. He was champ of a shallow division. His size and strength pretty much mean that he was very effective at using his wrestling, even if I think he was less technical than Coleman, Randleman, or Kerr in terms of wrestling skill.

He also displayed a very good gameplan from the top in shutting down Mir in their second fight.

My opinion of Brock was that he didn’t “deserve” the title shot, but he won the fight so I cannot say too much bad about him.

He clearly beat Mir in their rematch. He managed to make it through Carwin, which was pretty impressive considering what Carwin had done at the time.

I was surprised he did not try to shoot for more takedowns against Overeem, but it was a good match up. Overeem’s K-1 win puts him at world class for kickboxing, but his MMA record going into last night was of being a 25-11 205’er who went undefeated by moving up in weight and fighting lackluster competition. Prior to last night his best win at heavyweight was Werdum, and his stand up did not look unbeatable in that fight. I am not sure destroying Buentillo, James Thompson, Tod Duffee and the rest is proof that he is not the same fighter who was beaten by Shogun and Diet Nog twice each. If you are as down on Lesnar as you seem, than might you argue he still has to prove himself as a top five MMA heavyweight?

My feeling about Overeem is that last night’s showing and his K-1 wins prove that anyone at heavyweight who stands in front of him is going to be in massive trouble. His Werdum fight makes me wonder if he can handle the threat of takedowns mixed with striking, something Lesnar did not try in his brief time against Reem, or a fighter who uses jabs and straights well. Werdum caught him a few times in their fight.

I think Cain may be a threat, because of his hands and ability to mix strikes with takedowns. JDS may be able to do well with his jab, but I would want to know if he has a ground game to threaten with. I think Carwin would be in serious trouble against Overeem. Even though Carwin has great power, Lesnar actually tries to jabe MORE than Carwin and I think trying to match power shots with Reem would make for a short night.

Regards,

Robert A[/quote]

If Carwin traded power shots with Overeem Carwin would win. The guy throw’s one hit ko’s from either hand coming from literally any concievable angle. Overeem is a beast, but their power is on completely different levels. Carwin has the most 1 shot power in all of MMA. Not saying he’s the best striker [he isn’t] or best boxer [he isn’t], just that no one can sit there and trade with him. He connects flush, it’s over. [/quote]

Strongly disagree with this one. Both guys hit hard as fuck, i cant say definitively who hits harder, but if Carwin stands and bangs with Overeem, Carwin gets smashed, even worse than he did against JDS.

BTW, Carwin hit Lesnar with literally dozens upon dozens of power shots from top position with all his weight behind them, and couldnt put him away. Overeem would smash Carwin. [/quote]

You’re joking, right? Carwin landed ONE semi-flush shot all night, the choppy left that dropped Lesnar. Those “power shots from the top with all his weight behind him” landed on Lesnar’s forearms as he covered his face. I honestly don’t know how we’re arguing this. Carwin has knocked dudes out cold with a straight right from his hand a foot out in front of his face. No torque, no looper, just a quick flick that dropped another 250lb pro fighter. NO ONE ELSE in MMA can do that.

Yes, I’m arguing this at 10:30 on NYE. Gotta work at 7 am and I’m bitter, haha.
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Sorry buddy, but i literally JUST rewatched that fight on Unleashed 2 nights ago and Carwin landed at least a dozen clean shots on the ground.

Yes he hits very hard, no i will not say he is the hardest striker in all of MMA. Someone you dont want to get hit by for sure, but i am not ready to say he hits harder than Overeem.

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[quote]IamMarqaos wrote:

[quote]Kanada wrote:

That is utter bullshit. I will not deny that pressure and money, maybe marital issues were present. Surely there must be an underlying mental illness. But bottom line steroids are dangerous and pretending they aren’t so we can legalize them to get jacked is fucked up. Lesnar is sicker than he shuold be because of steroids. Benoit was more unstale than he should have been because of steroids (though in both cases, especially benoit, concussions must have played a factor) eddie guererro died from steroids, andre the giant shortened his life from steroids. Lately we are finally seeing how steroids in the NHL are hurting people, and I would easily say steroids damage your brain when dealing with concussions. Steroids are bad, don’t pretend their not you fuckhead. I do not give 2 shits about “research”, because we still think weed causes mania and paranoia and a lack of motivation. In a way, it does, but it in no way makes you lazy as much as alcohol didn’t make you get in a bar fight.

If you are willing to suggest that high levels of steroids and HGH do not cause intestinal and mental issues your fucking retarded[/quote]

What’s with the name calling, little man? Bad day for you? I almost derailed this thread and that was not my intention. Your level of immaturity in your comment is almost sad.

So you admit there is pressure, money troubles, marital issues and a mental issue as well as brain damage (which the autopsy actually showed!) but it is the roidz that made him do it? You contradict yourself can’t you see that? You assume all these things but then blame the roids which have no track record of causing a change in psychological state like meth, pcp, cocaine, heroine, painkillers, brain damage and antidepressants can do for example.

I realize it is not possible to really have a conversation with you because you do not give "2 shits’ about research. You are a young man in college who knows the truth and does not want to be confused by the facts, it seems like.

Anabolic steroids are administered to men, women and children who suffer from immune system deseases like aids so their system is strong enough to deal with the disease! Lesnar is not sicker due to steroids, they don’t work that way. Their side effects don’t work that way.

You seem very passionate about it, and I admire that, name calling or not, but you are wrong and they way you communicated your uneducated opinion will get you nowhere.

I did not say steroids need to be legalized so we can all get jacked, I did not say they are as healthy as an orange either. My point is that steroids are made to be the bad guy in the wrong place at the wrong time. Docs are trying to get their face on tv perpetuating the wrong info. How can you agree with that?

Benoit did not kill his family due to steroids. Lesnar did not get sick due to steroids. Those are the facts if you know anything about steroids. that is all I was trying to point out. Many steroids are indeed bad for you, unless you are ill and the only thing that will help is that steroid. The were not invented for sports initially, they were invented to help victims of extreme trauma (war victims) and children who were malnourished and underdeveloped. They are currently saving lives of burn victims, aids patients and a host of other sick people.

I am not advocating we should all be juiced to the neck, not at all. They are simply not the bad guy they are made out to be.

My apologies to all if you feel I derailed this thread. Did not mean to. I work with people who really need them and have to face constant hurdles due to their use even though it is really benefiting them. [/quote]

hit the nail on the head. Reading his post and then your post back to back, and then seeing his follow up post about people needing to take a rhetoric class is one of the most ironically hilarious things ive read on here in a long time.

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[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]Robert A wrote:

[quote]humble wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Saying that Lesnar “has a couple years experience” is not necessarily true. The guy was a world class wrestler, which translates pretty well to MMA.

Just sayin’.[/quote]

Bro, you’re usually well versed but this is just american hype machine. He’s not that world class a wrestler… bull rushes dont make you a great wrestler. 265 pounts helps

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He is a NATIONAL class wrestler. He was champ of a shallow division. His size and strength pretty much mean that he was very effective at using his wrestling, even if I think he was less technical than Coleman, Randleman, or Kerr in terms of wrestling skill.

He also displayed a very good gameplan from the top in shutting down Mir in their second fight.

My opinion of Brock was that he didn’t “deserve” the title shot, but he won the fight so I cannot say too much bad about him.

He clearly beat Mir in their rematch. He managed to make it through Carwin, which was pretty impressive considering what Carwin had done at the time.

I was surprised he did not try to shoot for more takedowns against Overeem, but it was a good match up. Overeem’s K-1 win puts him at world class for kickboxing, but his MMA record going into last night was of being a 25-11 205’er who went undefeated by moving up in weight and fighting lackluster competition. Prior to last night his best win at heavyweight was Werdum, and his stand up did not look unbeatable in that fight. I am not sure destroying Buentillo, James Thompson, Tod Duffee and the rest is proof that he is not the same fighter who was beaten by Shogun and Diet Nog twice each. If you are as down on Lesnar as you seem, than might you argue he still has to prove himself as a top five MMA heavyweight?

My feeling about Overeem is that last night’s showing and his K-1 wins prove that anyone at heavyweight who stands in front of him is going to be in massive trouble. His Werdum fight makes me wonder if he can handle the threat of takedowns mixed with striking, something Lesnar did not try in his brief time against Reem, or a fighter who uses jabs and straights well. Werdum caught him a few times in their fight.

I think Cain may be a threat, because of his hands and ability to mix strikes with takedowns. JDS may be able to do well with his jab, but I would want to know if he has a ground game to threaten with. I think Carwin would be in serious trouble against Overeem. Even though Carwin has great power, Lesnar actually tries to jabe MORE than Carwin and I think trying to match power shots with Reem would make for a short night.

Regards,

Robert A[/quote]

If Carwin traded power shots with Overeem Carwin would win. The guy throw’s one hit ko’s from either hand coming from literally any concievable angle. Overeem is a beast, but their power is on completely different levels. Carwin has the most 1 shot power in all of MMA. Not saying he’s the best striker [he isn’t] or best boxer [he isn’t], just that no one can sit there and trade with him. He connects flush, it’s over. [/quote]

Strongly disagree with this one. Both guys hit hard as fuck, i cant say definitively who hits harder, but if Carwin stands and bangs with Overeem, Carwin gets smashed, even worse than he did against JDS.

BTW, Carwin hit Lesnar with literally dozens upon dozens of power shots from top position with all his weight behind them, and couldnt put him away. Overeem would smash Carwin. [/quote]

You’re joking, right? Carwin landed ONE semi-flush shot all night, the choppy left that dropped Lesnar. Those “power shots from the top with all his weight behind him” landed on Lesnar’s forearms as he covered his face. I honestly don’t know how we’re arguing this. Carwin has knocked dudes out cold with a straight right from his hand a foot out in front of his face. No torque, no looper, just a quick flick that dropped another 250lb pro fighter. NO ONE ELSE in MMA can do that.

Yes, I’m arguing this at 10:30 on NYE. Gotta work at 7 am and I’m bitter, haha.
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Sorry buddy, but i literally JUST rewatched that fight on Unleashed 2 nights ago and Carwin landed at least a dozen clean shots on the ground.

Yes he hits very hard, no i will not say he is the hardest striker in all of MMA. Someone you dont want to get hit by for sure, but i am not ready to say he hits harder than Overeem.

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Are we really comparing Carwin, who is nothing but a rough neck brawler with limited ablilities to a K1 champ. Really? REally? carwin wouldn’t last 2 minutes with overream. one knee, one punch, a few leg kicks, and hes done for. overream is going to expose all the ufc heavyweights as chumps.

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[quote]Robert A wrote:

[quote]humble wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Saying that Lesnar “has a couple years experience” is not necessarily true. The guy was a world class wrestler, which translates pretty well to MMA.

Just sayin’.[/quote]

Bro, you’re usually well versed but this is just american hype machine. He’s not that world class a wrestler… bull rushes dont make you a great wrestler. 265 pounts helps

[/quote]

He is a NATIONAL class wrestler. He was champ of a shallow division. His size and strength pretty much mean that he was very effective at using his wrestling, even if I think he was less technical than Coleman, Randleman, or Kerr in terms of wrestling skill.

He also displayed a very good gameplan from the top in shutting down Mir in their second fight.

My opinion of Brock was that he didn’t “deserve” the title shot, but he won the fight so I cannot say too much bad about him.

He clearly beat Mir in their rematch. He managed to make it through Carwin, which was pretty impressive considering what Carwin had done at the time.

I was surprised he did not try to shoot for more takedowns against Overeem, but it was a good match up. Overeem’s K-1 win puts him at world class for kickboxing, but his MMA record going into last night was of being a 25-11 205’er who went undefeated by moving up in weight and fighting lackluster competition. Prior to last night his best win at heavyweight was Werdum, and his stand up did not look unbeatable in that fight. I am not sure destroying Buentillo, James Thompson, Tod Duffee and the rest is proof that he is not the same fighter who was beaten by Shogun and Diet Nog twice each. If you are as down on Lesnar as you seem, than might you argue he still has to prove himself as a top five MMA heavyweight?

My feeling about Overeem is that last night’s showing and his K-1 wins prove that anyone at heavyweight who stands in front of him is going to be in massive trouble. His Werdum fight makes me wonder if he can handle the threat of takedowns mixed with striking, something Lesnar did not try in his brief time against Reem, or a fighter who uses jabs and straights well. Werdum caught him a few times in their fight.

I think Cain may be a threat, because of his hands and ability to mix strikes with takedowns. JDS may be able to do well with his jab, but I would want to know if he has a ground game to threaten with. I think Carwin would be in serious trouble against Overeem. Even though Carwin has great power, Lesnar actually tries to jabe MORE than Carwin and I think trying to match power shots with Reem would make for a short night.

Regards,

Robert A[/quote]

I think the Werdum fight was just a poor outing for Overeem, as happens to every fighter at various points in their career. I think he was more worried about going to the ground against Werdum than he should’ve been, that was probably the only reason Werdum was catching him standing, because let’s be honest Werdum is a terrible striker.

If anything the Lesnar fight showed that overeem should have done to Werdum if he had not been overly cautious.

Personally I think Overeem’s striking talents are a bit overrated. Yes he won a K1 WGP, yes he is a legit striker, but I can’t help but cringe when some people call him “the best striker in the world” - real talk, he got a decision win over Spong, KO’d an INJURED mediocre australian kickboxer, beat an injured Saki who was giving him trouble before he broke his arm and went on to an old and beat up Aerts. Aerts is a great fighter, but he’s been KO’d by lesser opponents many a time before.

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[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:

[quote]Robert A wrote:

[quote]humble wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Saying that Lesnar “has a couple years experience” is not necessarily true. The guy was a world class wrestler, which translates pretty well to MMA.

Just sayin’.[/quote]

Bro, you’re usually well versed but this is just american hype machine. He’s not that world class a wrestler… bull rushes dont make you a great wrestler. 265 pounts helps

[/quote]

He is a NATIONAL class wrestler. He was champ of a shallow division. His size and strength pretty much mean that he was very effective at using his wrestling, even if I think he was less technical than Coleman, Randleman, or Kerr in terms of wrestling skill.

He also displayed a very good gameplan from the top in shutting down Mir in their second fight.

My opinion of Brock was that he didn’t “deserve” the title shot, but he won the fight so I cannot say too much bad about him.

He clearly beat Mir in their rematch. He managed to make it through Carwin, which was pretty impressive considering what Carwin had done at the time.

I was surprised he did not try to shoot for more takedowns against Overeem, but it was a good match up. Overeem’s K-1 win puts him at world class for kickboxing, but his MMA record going into last night was of being a 25-11 205’er who went undefeated by moving up in weight and fighting lackluster competition. Prior to last night his best win at heavyweight was Werdum, and his stand up did not look unbeatable in that fight. I am not sure destroying Buentillo, James Thompson, Tod Duffee and the rest is proof that he is not the same fighter who was beaten by Shogun and Diet Nog twice each. If you are as down on Lesnar as you seem, than might you argue he still has to prove himself as a top five MMA heavyweight?

My feeling about Overeem is that last night’s showing and his K-1 wins prove that anyone at heavyweight who stands in front of him is going to be in massive trouble. His Werdum fight makes me wonder if he can handle the threat of takedowns mixed with striking, something Lesnar did not try in his brief time against Reem, or a fighter who uses jabs and straights well. Werdum caught him a few times in their fight.

I think Cain may be a threat, because of his hands and ability to mix strikes with takedowns. JDS may be able to do well with his jab, but I would want to know if he has a ground game to threaten with. I think Carwin would be in serious trouble against Overeem. Even though Carwin has great power, Lesnar actually tries to jabe MORE than Carwin and I think trying to match power shots with Reem would make for a short night.

Regards,

Robert A[/quote]

I think the Werdum fight was just a poor outing for Overeem, as happens to every fighter at various points in their career. I think he was more worried about going to the ground against Werdum than he should’ve been, that was probably the only reason Werdum was catching him standing, because let’s be honest Werdum is a terrible striker.

If anything the Lesnar fight showed that overeem should have done to Werdum if he had not been overly cautious.

Personally I think Overeem’s striking talents are a bit overrated. Yes he won a K1 WGP, yes he is a legit striker, but I can’t help but cringe when some people call him “the best striker in the world” - real talk, he got a decision win over Spong, KO’d an INJURED mediocre australian kickboxer, beat an injured Saki who was giving him trouble before he broke his arm and went on to an old and beat up Aerts. Aerts is a great fighter, but he’s been KO’d by lesser opponents many a time before.[/quote]

The main difference between werdum and brock and why overream fought werdum the way he did. Werdum is a world class champion jui jitsu guy. Overream was very reluctant of going to the ground against this guy. and rightfully so. Plus everythime they engaged, werdum flopped on the ground like a fish. werdum made the fight the way it was.

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[quote]roguevampire wrote:

Are we really comparing Carwin, who is nothing but a rough neck brawler with limited ablilities to a K1 champ. Really? REally? carwin wouldn’t last 2 minutes with overream. one knee, one punch, a few leg kicks, and hes done for. overream is going to expose all the ufc heavyweights as chumps. [/quote]

Quoted for truth!

Glad someone has eyes.

Also, no I don’t think Overeem is the best striker in the world but he’s way above his current competition and with ease.

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[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]SKELAC wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]SKELAC wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
Havent seen any discussion for this on here, so not sure if there’s much interest but here goes.

Been tons of buzz and debate about this fight going around the internet lately, i want to hear some thoughts on how this one plays out.

This is a not a fight i would bet on, just too many variables and interesting circumstances surrounding these two guys squaring off against eachother, especially with it being Overeem’s first fight in the UFC. However, i have to pick Overeem. I just cant see Brock being able to hold overeem down and finish him before Reem inevitably lands that huge punch or knee that turns the lights out.

Obviously Brock’s defense is lackluster and i believe Reem will find the mark eventually. The other thing that all the sherdog warriors seem to be completely leaving out is the fact that Overeem is not just a kickboxer, but also a very competent grappler in his own right, with good TD’s and TDD. And that was BEFORE he became Ubereem.

If Brock had a hard time holding Cain or Couture down and couldnt do any damage to them on the ground, i dont see him steam rolling Overeem either.

However, if Overeem plays it safe too much like in the Werdum fight, i wont be surprised to see brock take a decision.

I also have Cerrone cleaning Diaz’s clock[/quote]

Too big,fat steroid-heads trying to overpower each other-WHO cares?![/quote]

Looking at your profile pictures, you’re the last fucking person who should be slandering either of these guys. [/quote]

Looking at your profile picture,I have no doubt that you are too big,fat steroid head.Minus the skills of Lesnar/Overeem.

So you are the one who judges my fighting ability by pictures??!!
Nice try.
I really had no problems whatsoever in evading initial wild attacks of big elephants like yourself and hurting them at will.They rarely had any agility,skills or conditioning to back their big size & even bigger egos.

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You’re a typical internet warrior with a case of little man syndrome. You can sit here and talk a big game all you want, but the only thing you can prove is that you’re a goofy looking little bald man, and i am about twice your size. And since this is a bodybuilding/weightlifting in general website, i’d say thats about all that counts.

By the way, im a bouncer like you, the number one type of jagoffs i have to deal with are sufferers of little man syndrome like yourself, never had a problem stomping em under my big ass elephant foot.
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sure,youre a bouncer.and that pumped-up granny biceps of yours was forged through some hard MMA fight training.all that fucking steroid muscle wouldnt save you

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IMO Cain would be a good opponent against Alistair the reasons why:

  1. Fast enough to move in and out while looking for either to punch or Takedown keeping alistair off-guard - similar to couture to Sylvia.

  2. Great gas tank to wear him down later in the fight if he can keep pressure on and grapple with him.

As long as he does not try too stand in the pocket and trade with him he should do well.

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@ Skelac quit trolling for responses please.

Go back to hanging out with your friends while giving your Nazi-Salute. Yes I looked through your hub and was shocked your not banned for your pictures you have posted.

Edit: Reason why I stated it was a Nazi-Salute is there also a picture with a Swastika in marker on your hand as well. If all of that done is in humour it is very poor taste.

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[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]Robert A wrote:

[quote]humble wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Saying that Lesnar “has a couple years experience” is not necessarily true. The guy was a world class wrestler, which translates pretty well to MMA.

Just sayin’.[/quote]

Bro, you’re usually well versed but this is just american hype machine. He’s not that world class a wrestler… bull rushes dont make you a great wrestler. 265 pounts helps

[/quote]

He is a NATIONAL class wrestler. He was champ of a shallow division. His size and strength pretty much mean that he was very effective at using his wrestling, even if I think he was less technical than Coleman, Randleman, or Kerr in terms of wrestling skill.

He also displayed a very good gameplan from the top in shutting down Mir in their second fight.

My opinion of Brock was that he didn’t “deserve” the title shot, but he won the fight so I cannot say too much bad about him.

He clearly beat Mir in their rematch. He managed to make it through Carwin, which was pretty impressive considering what Carwin had done at the time.

I was surprised he did not try to shoot for more takedowns against Overeem, but it was a good match up. Overeem’s K-1 win puts him at world class for kickboxing, but his MMA record going into last night was of being a 25-11 205’er who went undefeated by moving up in weight and fighting lackluster competition. Prior to last night his best win at heavyweight was Werdum, and his stand up did not look unbeatable in that fight. I am not sure destroying Buentillo, James Thompson, Tod Duffee and the rest is proof that he is not the same fighter who was beaten by Shogun and Diet Nog twice each. If you are as down on Lesnar as you seem, than might you argue he still has to prove himself as a top five MMA heavyweight?

My feeling about Overeem is that last night’s showing and his K-1 wins prove that anyone at heavyweight who stands in front of him is going to be in massive trouble. His Werdum fight makes me wonder if he can handle the threat of takedowns mixed with striking, something Lesnar did not try in his brief time against Reem, or a fighter who uses jabs and straights well. Werdum caught him a few times in their fight.

I think Cain may be a threat, because of his hands and ability to mix strikes with takedowns. JDS may be able to do well with his jab, but I would want to know if he has a ground game to threaten with. I think Carwin would be in serious trouble against Overeem. Even though Carwin has great power, Lesnar actually tries to jabe MORE than Carwin and I think trying to match power shots with Reem would make for a short night.

Regards,

Robert A[/quote]

If Carwin traded power shots with Overeem Carwin would win. The guy throw’s one hit ko’s from either hand coming from literally any concievable angle. Overeem is a beast, but their power is on completely different levels. Carwin has the most 1 shot power in all of MMA. Not saying he’s the best striker [he isn’t] or best boxer [he isn’t], just that no one can sit there and trade with him. He connects flush, it’s over. [/quote]

Strongly disagree with this one. Both guys hit hard as fuck, i cant say definitively who hits harder, but if Carwin stands and bangs with Overeem, Carwin gets smashed, even worse than he did against JDS.

BTW, Carwin hit Lesnar with literally dozens upon dozens of power shots from top position with all his weight behind them, and couldnt put him away. Overeem would smash Carwin. [/quote]

You’re joking, right? Carwin landed ONE semi-flush shot all night, the choppy left that dropped Lesnar. Those “power shots from the top with all his weight behind him” landed on Lesnar’s forearms as he covered his face. I honestly don’t know how we’re arguing this. Carwin has knocked dudes out cold with a straight right from his hand a foot out in front of his face. No torque, no looper, just a quick flick that dropped another 250lb pro fighter. NO ONE ELSE in MMA can do that.

Yes, I’m arguing this at 10:30 on NYE. Gotta work at 7 am and I’m bitter, haha.
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Sorry buddy, but i literally JUST rewatched that fight on Unleashed 2 nights ago and Carwin landed at least a dozen clean shots on the ground.

Yes he hits very hard, no i will not say he is the hardest striker in all of MMA. Someone you dont want to get hit by for sure, but i am not ready to say he hits harder than Overeem.

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Are we really comparing Carwin, who is nothing but a rough neck brawler with limited ablilities to a K1 champ. Really? REally? carwin wouldn’t last 2 minutes with overream. one knee, one punch, a few leg kicks, and hes done for. overream is going to expose all the ufc heavyweights as chumps. [/quote]

Uh yes…yes we are comparing them…does that answer your question? Does it? Does it?

And you cant call the UFC’s HW division a bunch of chumps, they are still the best in the world at HW.

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[quote]FISCHER613 wrote:
@ Skelac quit trolling for responses please.

Go back to hanging out with your friends while giving your Nazi-Salute. Yes I looked through your hub and was shocked your not banned for your pictures you have posted.

Edit: Reason why I stated it was a Nazi-Salute is there also a picture with a Swastika in marker on your hand as well. If all of that done is in humour it is very poor taste.

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DO NOT INTERPRET THIS AS SUPPORT OR DEFENSE OF NATIONAL SOCIALISM. MY OFFICIAL POSITION IS FUCK THOSE PEOPLE.

I have been told by more than one person that in former Com Bloc states the National Socialist/Nazi/Fascist symbolism has more ties to nationalism/fascism in general than a specific allegiance to Hitler/Nazi Germany. Basically the idea of strong nationalism as a response or counter to the USSR. I have also heard that Nazi symbols also had an element of “Fuck the Police State”(sort of like the anarchist’s A here in the states) going for them in the old USSR, even though they are symbols of fascist/national socialist politics.

I am going on second/third hand information, but I have to remember that life under Stalin may indeed have spurred some people to view Hitler/National Socialism in a positive light.

Again, I am not defending any of this asshatery in general, nor SKELAC in specific.

Regards,

Robert A

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[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:

[quote]Robert A wrote:

[quote]humble wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Saying that Lesnar “has a couple years experience” is not necessarily true. The guy was a world class wrestler, which translates pretty well to MMA.

Just sayin’.[/quote]

Bro, you’re usually well versed but this is just american hype machine. He’s not that world class a wrestler… bull rushes dont make you a great wrestler. 265 pounts helps

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He is a NATIONAL class wrestler. He was champ of a shallow division. His size and strength pretty much mean that he was very effective at using his wrestling, even if I think he was less technical than Coleman, Randleman, or Kerr in terms of wrestling skill.

He also displayed a very good gameplan from the top in shutting down Mir in their second fight.

My opinion of Brock was that he didn’t “deserve” the title shot, but he won the fight so I cannot say too much bad about him.

He clearly beat Mir in their rematch. He managed to make it through Carwin, which was pretty impressive considering what Carwin had done at the time.

I was surprised he did not try to shoot for more takedowns against Overeem, but it was a good match up. Overeem’s K-1 win puts him at world class for kickboxing, but his MMA record going into last night was of being a 25-11 205’er who went undefeated by moving up in weight and fighting lackluster competition. Prior to last night his best win at heavyweight was Werdum, and his stand up did not look unbeatable in that fight. I am not sure destroying Buentillo, James Thompson, Tod Duffee and the rest is proof that he is not the same fighter who was beaten by Shogun and Diet Nog twice each. If you are as down on Lesnar as you seem, than might you argue he still has to prove himself as a top five MMA heavyweight?

My feeling about Overeem is that last night’s showing and his K-1 wins prove that anyone at heavyweight who stands in front of him is going to be in massive trouble. His Werdum fight makes me wonder if he can handle the threat of takedowns mixed with striking, something Lesnar did not try in his brief time against Reem, or a fighter who uses jabs and straights well. Werdum caught him a few times in their fight.

I think Cain may be a threat, because of his hands and ability to mix strikes with takedowns. JDS may be able to do well with his jab, but I would want to know if he has a ground game to threaten with. I think Carwin would be in serious trouble against Overeem. Even though Carwin has great power, Lesnar actually tries to jabe MORE than Carwin and I think trying to match power shots with Reem would make for a short night.

Regards,

Robert A[/quote]

I think the Werdum fight was just a poor outing for Overeem, as happens to every fighter at various points in their career. I think he was more worried about going to the ground against Werdum than he should’ve been, that was probably the only reason Werdum was catching him standing, because let’s be honest Werdum is a terrible striker.

If anything the Lesnar fight showed that overeem should have done to Werdum if he had not been overly cautious.

Personally I think Overeem’s striking talents are a bit overrated. Yes he won a K1 WGP, yes he is a legit striker, but I can’t help but cringe when some people call him “the best striker in the world” - real talk, he got a decision win over Spong, KO’d an INJURED mediocre australian kickboxer, beat an injured Saki who was giving him trouble before he broke his arm and went on to an old and beat up Aerts. Aerts is a great fighter, but he’s been KO’d by lesser opponents many a time before.[/quote]

I agree about the Verdum fight. IMO opinion that performance can be chalked up to Overeem giving Werdum too much respect in his take down ability and the fact that Overeem gave him basically no respect in the standup, it was as if he didnt care if Werdum hit him or not.

If he had clinched Werdum and hammered away with knees the way he did Brock, i dont think that fight wouldve made it out of the first.

However, i do think Alistair is easily the best striker at HW. The fact that the competition he fought at GP was beat up doesnt take anything away from him. He had to fight 3 times that night too, if he was able to make it to the next round fresher than his opponents, obviously he did something right. Let’s not forget he dominated Spong and KO’s Hari in their first fight as well. Also, Alistair was purposely and severely handicapped by K-1 when they instituded that limited clinching rules. They took away a huge (and probably most effective) part of his game.

That’s why K-1 will never get the respect that MMA has, it is a corrupt and poorly run organization.

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[quote]SKELAC wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]SKELAC wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]SKELAC wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
Havent seen any discussion for this on here, so not sure if there’s much interest but here goes.

Been tons of buzz and debate about this fight going around the internet lately, i want to hear some thoughts on how this one plays out.

This is a not a fight i would bet on, just too many variables and interesting circumstances surrounding these two guys squaring off against eachother, especially with it being Overeem’s first fight in the UFC. However, i have to pick Overeem. I just cant see Brock being able to hold overeem down and finish him before Reem inevitably lands that huge punch or knee that turns the lights out.

Obviously Brock’s defense is lackluster and i believe Reem will find the mark eventually. The other thing that all the sherdog warriors seem to be completely leaving out is the fact that Overeem is not just a kickboxer, but also a very competent grappler in his own right, with good TD’s and TDD. And that was BEFORE he became Ubereem.

If Brock had a hard time holding Cain or Couture down and couldnt do any damage to them on the ground, i dont see him steam rolling Overeem either.

However, if Overeem plays it safe too much like in the Werdum fight, i wont be surprised to see brock take a decision.

I also have Cerrone cleaning Diaz’s clock[/quote]

Too big,fat steroid-heads trying to overpower each other-WHO cares?![/quote]

Looking at your profile pictures, you’re the last fucking person who should be slandering either of these guys. [/quote]

Looking at your profile picture,I have no doubt that you are too big,fat steroid head.Minus the skills of Lesnar/Overeem.

So you are the one who judges my fighting ability by pictures??!!
Nice try.
I really had no problems whatsoever in evading initial wild attacks of big elephants like yourself and hurting them at will.They rarely had any agility,skills or conditioning to back their big size & even bigger egos.

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You’re a typical internet warrior with a case of little man syndrome. You can sit here and talk a big game all you want, but the only thing you can prove is that you’re a goofy looking little bald man, and i am about twice your size. And since this is a bodybuilding/weightlifting in general website, i’d say thats about all that counts.

By the way, im a bouncer like you, the number one type of jagoffs i have to deal with are sufferers of little man syndrome like yourself, never had a problem stomping em under my big ass elephant foot.
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sure,youre a bouncer.and that pumped-up granny biceps of yours was forged through some hard MMA fight training.all that fucking steroid muscle wouldnt save you[/quote]

I get it. You’re one of those guys that couldnt achieve any appreciable size on their own (presumably due to a lack of willpower, motivation, or just generally being a pussy)and so when you see someone significantly bigger you instantly cry “STEROIDS” to make yourself feel better.

All natural baby, get over it.

And “save me” from what? From you? You’re the kind of foolish old man that i cringe when i have to toss out because i dont want to get sued for wrecking their osteoporosis-stricken body.

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oOff topic @ Audiogargen quit feeding the troll and where in Illinos are you ?

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I am up in the air about the Werdum fight. I agree the “just a poor showing” thing had something to do with it, but Werdum is not terrible at kickboxing. He just does not have great power. I think of it almost like Reem had a relapse of his 205 style. He may have just been able to frustrate Overeem enough. I am not supporting the but flopping, but let us recognize that Overeem’s win was a lot less one sided than Anderson Silvas wins over Leites or Maia.

I think the Strikeforce tourney still has some fighters that need to be thrown into the mix before anyone gets annointed “best in the world”. Barnett is a threat to anyone and the more I see Cormier the more I think he is in the running as well. Either have the grappling to do bad things to Overeem. I would love to see how it shook out.

Regards,

Robert A

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[quote]FISCHER613 wrote:
oOff topic @ Audiogargen quit feeding the troll and where in Illinos are you ?[/quote]

Near Chicago, west suburbs

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[quote]Robert A wrote:

[quote]FISCHER613 wrote:
@ Skelac quit trolling for responses please.

Go back to hanging out with your friends while giving your Nazi-Salute. Yes I looked through your hub and was shocked your not banned for your pictures you have posted.

Edit: Reason why I stated it was a Nazi-Salute is there also a picture with a Swastika in marker on your hand as well. If all of that done is in humour it is very poor taste.

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DO NOT INTERPRET THIS AS SUPPORT OR DEFENSE OF NATIONAL SOCIALISM. MY OFFICIAL POSITION IS FUCK THOSE PEOPLE.

I have been told by more than one person that in former Com Bloc states the National Socialist/Nazi/Fascist symbolism has more ties to nationalism/fascism in general than a specific allegiance to Hitler/Nazi Germany. Basically the idea of strong nationalism as a response or counter to the USSR. I have also heard that Nazi symbols also had an element of “Fuck the Police State”(sort of like the anarchist’s A here in the states) going for them in the old USSR, even though they are symbols of fascist/national socialist politics.

I am going on second/third hand information, but I have to remember that life under Stalin may indeed have spurred some people to view Hitler/National Socialism in a positive light.

Again, I am not defending any of this asshatery in general, nor SKELAC in specific.

Regards,

Robert A [/quote]

You are on the right track here.
Here in Croatia we traditionaly had only either extreme right or extreme left.I know which side is mine.Anything in between makes you enemy of both ;))
I wont discuss here my political opinion here for the simple reason that it wont be understood by anybody who dont know the history of Eastern Europe for the past 120 years (pre-WW1 ),culture,mentality,etc.

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[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]SKELAC wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]SKELAC wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]SKELAC wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
Havent seen any discussion for this on here, so not sure if there’s much interest but here goes.

Been tons of buzz and debate about this fight going around the internet lately, i want to hear some thoughts on how this one plays out.

This is a not a fight i would bet on, just too many variables and interesting circumstances surrounding these two guys squaring off against eachother, especially with it being Overeem’s first fight in the UFC. However, i have to pick Overeem. I just cant see Brock being able to hold overeem down and finish him before Reem inevitably lands that huge punch or knee that turns the lights out.

Obviously Brock’s defense is lackluster and i believe Reem will find the mark eventually. The other thing that all the sherdog warriors seem to be completely leaving out is the fact that Overeem is not just a kickboxer, but also a very competent grappler in his own right, with good TD’s and TDD. And that was BEFORE he became Ubereem.

If Brock had a hard time holding Cain or Couture down and couldnt do any damage to them on the ground, i dont see him steam rolling Overeem either.

However, if Overeem plays it safe too much like in the Werdum fight, i wont be surprised to see brock take a decision.

I also have Cerrone cleaning Diaz’s clock[/quote]

Too big,fat steroid-heads trying to overpower each other-WHO cares?![/quote]

Looking at your profile pictures, you’re the last fucking person who should be slandering either of these guys. [/quote]

Looking at your profile picture,I have no doubt that you are too big,fat steroid head.Minus the skills of Lesnar/Overeem.

So you are the one who judges my fighting ability by pictures??!!
Nice try.
I really had no problems whatsoever in evading initial wild attacks of big elephants like yourself and hurting them at will.They rarely had any agility,skills or conditioning to back their big size & even bigger egos.

[/quote]

You’re a typical internet warrior with a case of little man syndrome. You can sit here and talk a big game all you want, but the only thing you can prove is that you’re a goofy looking little bald man, and i am about twice your size. And since this is a bodybuilding/weightlifting in general website, i’d say thats about all that counts.

By the way, im a bouncer like you, the number one type of jagoffs i have to deal with are sufferers of little man syndrome like yourself, never had a problem stomping em under my big ass elephant foot.
[/quote]

sure,youre a bouncer.and that pumped-up granny biceps of yours was forged through some hard MMA fight training.all that fucking steroid muscle wouldnt save you[/quote]

I get it. You’re one of those guys that couldnt achieve any appreciable size on their own (presumably due to a lack of willpower, motivation, or just generally being a pussy)and so when you see someone significantly bigger you instantly cry “STEROIDS” to make yourself feel better.

All natural baby, get over it.

And “save me” from what? From you? You’re the kind of foolish old man that i cringe when i have to toss out because i dont want to get sued for wrecking their osteoporosis-stricken body. [/quote]

I have more size than I need to put a heavy damage on lying scumbags like you that like to bend over with their pants down to get needle in their ass by their pumping buddies :))))

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[quote]FISCHER613 wrote:
oOff topic @ Audiogargen quit feeding the troll and where in Illinos are you ?[/quote]

trailer camp? :)))

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[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
I think much of Overeem’s struggles at LHW can be attributed to exactly what he and many others had stated; His conditioning just wasnt good enough after the weigh cut. Even when he was fighting at 205, Overeem could look like the best fighter in the world for the first few minutes of a fight, no matter who he was fighting, but he always seemed to fizzle as the fight wore on and his conditioning ran out. I dont see him “freaking out” if faced with adversity, the guy is as cool as they come in the ring. [/quote]

He was giving Chuck the business in their fight until he gassed out and wilted.