Lesnar vs Overeem

Training
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haha touche, that was a fucking schooling. Cerrone let he emotions get to him.

In an interview when asked about why he acts that way towards opponents, Nate said something along the lines of having to face a maniac who may have killed 20 people in one fight and then having to face a church going polite guy in another fight and that he’d rather not know that about his opponents to save him from feeling sorry for the church goer for example lol.

But yeh, sorry, love to rub it in… fuck brock and his shit style, glad he is out of mma the fucken spotlight whore.

102

Hahah, hater.

I’ll say this about Brock though, as a fan.

Yeah, that was a horrible performance. He’s a bully, not a fighter.

Yeah, there’s a good chance this fight was for the paycheck.

Yeah, he’s not that great.

But:

The guy came in with a couple of years of training and started facing veterans and up and comers when the HW division experienced a bit of a renaissance. Guy stepped in there with an absolute monster after 14 months on the sidelines handling a debilitating disease.

Gotta give him that much. You can’t fault a guy for trying, can’t fault him for making a living.

However feel free to rub it in for all us nuthuggers, you cruel cruel man.

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[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

The only thing that surprised me tonight was Fitch getting KO’d like that. Did not see that coming at all, i expected Fitch to grind out a split decision, but the guy hasnt been finished since 2002 so this was the last thing i had in mind.

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I wasn’t that surprised. I thought Fitch would lose at least.

My take on the fight was that they were giving him Hendricks because, well, he’s a really bad style matchup for Fitch.

Has the pedigree to take him down. Has the power to knock him out. Has the skills to trade with him standing and on the ground (top control at least). Fitch probably went in knowing he needed to make it exciting if he wanted to get anywhere in the division. He knew it’s been too long since he’s had a finish or exhibited an exciting performance. He would have been more reckless.

Of course none of that mattered because he got caught HARD early.

I feel sorry for the guy. I hate him as a fighter, but I can appreciate a lot of the stuff he does grappling-wise. Sucks to win so many only to slip up and have to work your way back up, shoots and ladders style. Reminds me of George Sotoropopolopous, just harsher.

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I dunno, I’m just used to the hard hard conditioning of stand up fighters, brutal conditioning of taking punishment for 12 rounds, blows to the head and body until everything is ruptured on the inside and they still have this impeccable spirit fighting on.
I can respect Brock tried but he just lacks that spirit and to me, I can’t take a fighter seriously if they lack that.

Cerrone certainly showed it tonight despite being schooled. That is inspiring and respectable in this sport.

Mma has too many years left before fighters become as hardened as seasoned stand fighters. It’s only under 20 years old so it is understandable but the ones that will make the best progress are the stand up guys who can adapt amazing wrestling/bjj skills, not the other way around as hyped by fags like goldberg and rogan.

105

The UFC’s Golden Boy got his ass handed to him again. Glad to see he is done. How he came off after the second Mir fight, his antics against Herring and his constantly saying how bad and tough he is got old. His fan base was probably what made me dislike him even more. I think he will be remembered as a bully and a front-runner. Once he started facing skilled guys who he didn’t have a 60lb weight advantage on, he started getting fucked up.

BTW, I would love to see Overeem fight Mir after Frank has been bashing him constantly leading up to the Brock fight. That might look worse than the Carwin/Mir fight.

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[quote]rundymc wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

The only thing that surprised me tonight was Fitch getting KO’d like that. Did not see that coming at all, i expected Fitch to grind out a split decision, but the guy hasnt been finished since 2002 so this was the last thing i had in mind.

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I wasn’t that surprised. I thought Fitch would lose at least.

My take on the fight was that they were giving him Hendricks because, well, he’s a really bad style matchup for Fitch.

Has the pedigree to take him down. Has the power to knock him out. Has the skills to trade with him standing and on the ground (top control at least). Fitch probably went in knowing he needed to make it exciting if he wanted to get anywhere in the division. He knew it’s been too long since he’s had a finish or exhibited an exciting performance. He would have been more reckless.

Of course none of that mattered because he got caught HARD early.

I feel sorry for the guy. I hate him as a fighter, but I can appreciate a lot of the stuff he does grappling-wise. Sucks to win so many only to slip up and have to work your way back up, shoots and ladders style. Reminds me of George Sotoropopolopous, just harsher.[/quote]

I would not have been at all surprised had he lost a decision, but anybody who’s been fighting top comp as long as Fitch has and hasnt been finished since 2002…well its fucking surprising when they get KO’d in 12

107

[quote]Dre Cappa wrote:

BTW, I would love to see Overeem fight Mir after Frank has been bashing him constantly leading up to the Brock fight. That might look worse than the Carwin/Mir fight. [/quote]

I thought this immediately after the fight as well. The only person i’d rather seem Ubereem fight than JDS is Mir, simply because i love seeing Mir get smashed a la Brock/Carwin. Mir wouldnt make it any longer than Brock did.

At this point i dont see anyone in the HW division posing much of a threat to Alistair other than JDS and Cain, and to be honest i’d have to say that stylistically, Alistair should have the advantage in both those fights. No i am not just jumping on the wagon now that Overeem made his dominant UFC debut, i’ve been a Reem fan ever since he beat up my boy Cro Cop and turned his balls into ovaries.

108

[quote]Dre Cappa wrote:
The UFC’s Golden Boy got his ass handed to him again. Glad to see he is done. How he came off after the second Mir fight, his antics against Herring and his constantly saying how bad and tough he is got old. His fan base was probably what made me dislike him even more. I think he will be remembered as a bully and a front-runner. Once he started facing skilled guys who he didn’t have a 60lb weight advantage on, he started getting fucked up.

BTW, I would love to see Overeem fight Mir after Frank has been bashing him constantly leading up to the Brock fight. That might look worse than the Carwin/Mir fight. [/quote]

Serious? Frank is bashing the reem?

The reem will rag doll him too. Frank rates his stand up but the reem will maul his head and ko him whilst standing.

jds is too short and the reems high k1 style guard will be used and he’ll swing in mid air or hit his gloves. The reem will then knee the shit out of him and go on raping the rest of the heavies in the ufc, retire wealthy and stamp the fact that if the Ufc branches out of it’s USA comfort zone and brings in more euro fighters, they will spoil the divisions some more.

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[quote]humble wrote:

[quote]Dre Cappa wrote:
The UFC’s Golden Boy got his ass handed to him again. Glad to see he is done. How he came off after the second Mir fight, his antics against Herring and his constantly saying how bad and tough he is got old. His fan base was probably what made me dislike him even more. I think he will be remembered as a bully and a front-runner. Once he started facing skilled guys who he didn’t have a 60lb weight advantage on, he started getting fucked up.

BTW, I would love to see Overeem fight Mir after Frank has been bashing him constantly leading up to the Brock fight. That might look worse than the Carwin/Mir fight. [/quote]

Serious? Frank is bashing the reem?

The reem will rag doll him too. Frank rates his stand up but the reem will maul his head and ko him whilst standing.

jds is too short and the reems high k1 style guard will be used and he’ll swing in mid air or hit his gloves. The reem will then knee the shit out of him and go on raping the rest of the heavies in the ufc, retire wealthy and stamp the fact that if the Ufc branches out of it’s USA comfort zone and brings in more euro fighters, they will spoil the divisions some more.
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I can appreciate your admiration of the Reem and apparently all things relating to stand up martial arts, but let’s not get overzealous here. JDS will give anybody a fight, that much is for sure.

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[quote]SKELAC wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
Havent seen any discussion for this on here, so not sure if there’s much interest but here goes.

Been tons of buzz and debate about this fight going around the internet lately, i want to hear some thoughts on how this one plays out.

This is a not a fight i would bet on, just too many variables and interesting circumstances surrounding these two guys squaring off against eachother, especially with it being Overeem’s first fight in the UFC. However, i have to pick Overeem. I just cant see Brock being able to hold overeem down and finish him before Reem inevitably lands that huge punch or knee that turns the lights out.

Obviously Brock’s defense is lackluster and i believe Reem will find the mark eventually. The other thing that all the sherdog warriors seem to be completely leaving out is the fact that Overeem is not just a kickboxer, but also a very competent grappler in his own right, with good TD’s and TDD. And that was BEFORE he became Ubereem.

If Brock had a hard time holding Cain or Couture down and couldnt do any damage to them on the ground, i dont see him steam rolling Overeem either.

However, if Overeem plays it safe too much like in the Werdum fight, i wont be surprised to see brock take a decision.

I also have Cerrone cleaning Diaz’s clock[/quote]

Too big,fat steroid-heads trying to overpower each other-WHO cares?![/quote]

If you think brock and overream are fat, your insane.

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[quote]SKELAC wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]SKELAC wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
Havent seen any discussion for this on here, so not sure if there’s much interest but here goes.

Been tons of buzz and debate about this fight going around the internet lately, i want to hear some thoughts on how this one plays out.

This is a not a fight i would bet on, just too many variables and interesting circumstances surrounding these two guys squaring off against eachother, especially with it being Overeem’s first fight in the UFC. However, i have to pick Overeem. I just cant see Brock being able to hold overeem down and finish him before Reem inevitably lands that huge punch or knee that turns the lights out.

Obviously Brock’s defense is lackluster and i believe Reem will find the mark eventually. The other thing that all the sherdog warriors seem to be completely leaving out is the fact that Overeem is not just a kickboxer, but also a very competent grappler in his own right, with good TD’s and TDD. And that was BEFORE he became Ubereem.

If Brock had a hard time holding Cain or Couture down and couldnt do any damage to them on the ground, i dont see him steam rolling Overeem either.

However, if Overeem plays it safe too much like in the Werdum fight, i wont be surprised to see brock take a decision.

I also have Cerrone cleaning Diaz’s clock[/quote]

Too big,fat steroid-heads trying to overpower each other-WHO cares?![/quote]

Looking at your profile pictures, you’re the last fucking person who should be slandering either of these guys. [/quote]

Looking at your profile picture,I have no doubt that you are too big,fat steroid head.Minus the skills of Lesnar/Overeem.

So you are the one who judges my fighting ability by pictures??!!
Nice try.
I really had no problems whatsoever in evading initial wild attacks of big elephants like yourself and hurting them at will.They rarely had any agility,skills or conditioning to back their big size & even bigger egos.

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You are aware that overream is the current K1 champ, right? you say they are fat, him and brock. are you kidding me or what.

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Why are people talking abour chris benoit. let me point out a few facts for ya. there were text messages sent to people that worked at the wwe. 2 or 3 text messages sent at the same time. and guess what, Chris got his zip code wrong. lol. now, if thats not something to think about, i don’t know what is. Everyone knows their own zip code. there is a possibility that he was set up. Those texts prove something is off here.

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Let me first say, that everyone here, and on every forum, thought cerrone was going to kill Diaz. Except yours truly. I just didn’t get how people could possibly think that. Now, for you all the people that thought brock was going to win and cerrone was going to destroy diaz, you can now eat your words. just proves how little some of you know about mma.

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[quote]humble wrote:

[quote]Dre Cappa wrote:
The UFC’s Golden Boy got his ass handed to him again. Glad to see he is done. How he came off after the second Mir fight, his antics against Herring and his constantly saying how bad and tough he is got old. His fan base was probably what made me dislike him even more. I think he will be remembered as a bully and a front-runner. Once he started facing skilled guys who he didn’t have a 60lb weight advantage on, he started getting fucked up.

BTW, I would love to see Overeem fight Mir after Frank has been bashing him constantly leading up to the Brock fight. That might look worse than the Carwin/Mir fight. [/quote]

Serious? Frank is bashing the reem?

The reem will rag doll him too. Frank rates his stand up but the reem will maul his head and ko him whilst standing.

jds is too short and the reems high k1 style guard will be used and he’ll swing in mid air or hit his gloves. The reem will then knee the shit out of him and go on raping the rest of the heavies in the ufc, retire wealthy and stamp the fact that if the Ufc branches out of it’s USA comfort zone and brings in more euro fighters, they will spoil the divisions some more.
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From quotes I had seen Mir said Overeem is not a true HW, just a blown up LHW, that Mir would outstrike Overeem, etc. That fight would be a one-sided beatdown by Overeem because Mir lacks the tools standing and does not have the wrestling chops to get the fight to the ground either.

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[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]Dre Cappa wrote:

BTW, I would love to see Overeem fight Mir after Frank has been bashing him constantly leading up to the Brock fight. That might look worse than the Carwin/Mir fight. [/quote]

I thought this immediately after the fight as well. The only person i’d rather seem Ubereem fight than JDS is Mir, simply because i love seeing Mir get smashed a la Brock/Carwin. Mir wouldnt make it any longer than Brock did.

At this point i dont see anyone in the HW division posing much of a threat to Alistair other than JDS and Cain, and to be honest i’d have to say that stylistically, Alistair should have the advantage in both those fights. No i am not just jumping on the wagon now that Overeem made his dominant UFC debut, i’ve been a Reem fan ever since he beat up my boy Cro Cop and turned his balls into ovaries. [/quote]

I think Cain would lose to Overeem too. I don’t think he could get it to the ground before Overeem turned his lights out, and standing with him would be suicide. Overeem and JDS have that Prime Liddell thing going, strong TDD and good to great striking, plus the ability to avoid submissions (especially in Overeem’s case, he is pretty well versed in subs). That is a nasty combination for anyone to deal with.

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This is a little silly. Just yesterday everyone was in agreement that if Lesnar could take him down he’d win, and if Overeem caught him he’d win. Lesnar couldn’t, Overeem did, boom. Now people are saying Overeem’s unbeatable? Don’t you think we’re jumping the gun here? I personally have always thought Velasquez and JDS are a overrated, but I do think both would give 'Reem a helluva fight. Shit, if Carwin can ever get back to pre-back surgery form I think he’d stomp Overeem. Point I’m trying to make is, let’s not get ahead of ourselves.

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[quote]Dre Cappa wrote:

[quote]humble wrote:

[quote]Dre Cappa wrote:
The UFC’s Golden Boy got his ass handed to him again. Glad to see he is done. How he came off after the second Mir fight, his antics against Herring and his constantly saying how bad and tough he is got old. His fan base was probably what made me dislike him even more. I think he will be remembered as a bully and a front-runner. Once he started facing skilled guys who he didn’t have a 60lb weight advantage on, he started getting fucked up.

BTW, I would love to see Overeem fight Mir after Frank has been bashing him constantly leading up to the Brock fight. That might look worse than the Carwin/Mir fight. [/quote]

Serious? Frank is bashing the reem?

The reem will rag doll him too. Frank rates his stand up but the reem will maul his head and ko him whilst standing.

jds is too short and the reems high k1 style guard will be used and he’ll swing in mid air or hit his gloves. The reem will then knee the shit out of him and go on raping the rest of the heavies in the ufc, retire wealthy and stamp the fact that if the Ufc branches out of it’s USA comfort zone and brings in more euro fighters, they will spoil the divisions some more.
[/quote]

From quotes I had seen Mir said Overeem is not a true HW, just a blown up LHW, that Mir would outstrike Overeem, etc. That fight would be a one-sided beatdown by Overeem because Mir lacks the tools standing and does not have the wrestling chops to get the fight to the ground either. [/quote]

I like Frank Mir the WEC analyst. But I think he seriously over rates his boxing skills.
Two things I will always remember Mir for:

  1. Being taken down by Lesnar and being pounded in the face in the first round of their 2nd fight.
  2. Him allowing or being forced into the cage by Carwin and getting jammed in the face with Carwin’s fists.

I hope Mir doens’t try and prove a point and try to outstrike Overeem. If he does, I can see Mir getting pushed into the cage and being kneed to death.

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I wouldn’t count JDS out. If it were just hands JDS would most definitely win. JDS has a good jab and is great at using straight punches to keep opponents outside. It’s really going to be a question of if Overeem can get inside or possibly utilize leg kicks outside or whether JDS can keep him outside and out strike him with his hands. In the Lesnar fight Overeem just got tired of Lesnar running backward and ran in to clinch (no punches or setup) and throw knees. He wouldn’t be able to do that against JDS. To be honest I don’t know or have a clue who will win or had the advantage here.

Whiteflash, JDS and Cain aren’t really overrated. They are really the best in the division atm along with Overeem. JDS has probably the best hands in the division. I don’t understand how they would be considered overrated.

119

Meh Carwin… lucky heavy handed guy. He doesn’t have anywhere near the technical ability of overeem.
JDS and CAIN too. Actually I think Cain is more technical than JDS, JDS is just a heavy handed guy and caught him. I don’t see him catching overeem at all. As rogue said, I think people just don’t read styles too well around here. No JDS, Cain or Mir can give Reem a hard time and that’s being purely objective.

Only person who will give Reem a hard time is a hard as nails stand up guy with good ground and take down defense who also has the same reach. Reems body punishment is too much for any MMA guy to handle. Sorry, it’s as simple as that. They’re no where near conditioned enough. The Dutch style training, drilling and conditioning (body especially) is oodles above that of usa style training.

120

Saying that Lesnar “has a couple years experience” is not necessarily true. The guy was a world class wrestler, which translates pretty well to MMA.

Just sayin’.