Lesnar vs Overeem

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[quote]Robert A wrote:
WhiteFlash,

I should have wrote “Douglas ACCIDENTALLY did it by…”. Would not have happened with a healthy/trained Tyson. Still, he never showed the capacity to think/ change tactics during a fight. The counter argument is that he didn’t need to early in his career and by the time he did so many things were “broken” with his training/life that it wasn’t happening.

He was my first sports hero, and the fighter that made me love boxing.

Regards,

Robert A

Addendum: Is ZEB alive? We have a 3 page thread on Lesnar and he hasn’t checked in to sing his praises?[/quote]

I see what you’re saying, but I think D’Amato had lived a bit longer Tyson would’ve “grown into” his game. This is all speculation on my part obviously, just don’t believe Tyson ever got to be what he was capable of being.

Also, Overeem seems to get himself in a lot of problems.

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[quote]SKELAC wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]SKELAC wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
Havent seen any discussion for this on here, so not sure if there’s much interest but here goes.

Been tons of buzz and debate about this fight going around the internet lately, i want to hear some thoughts on how this one plays out.

This is a not a fight i would bet on, just too many variables and interesting circumstances surrounding these two guys squaring off against eachother, especially with it being Overeem’s first fight in the UFC. However, i have to pick Overeem. I just cant see Brock being able to hold overeem down and finish him before Reem inevitably lands that huge punch or knee that turns the lights out.

Obviously Brock’s defense is lackluster and i believe Reem will find the mark eventually. The other thing that all the sherdog warriors seem to be completely leaving out is the fact that Overeem is not just a kickboxer, but also a very competent grappler in his own right, with good TD’s and TDD. And that was BEFORE he became Ubereem.

If Brock had a hard time holding Cain or Couture down and couldnt do any damage to them on the ground, i dont see him steam rolling Overeem either.

However, if Overeem plays it safe too much like in the Werdum fight, i wont be surprised to see brock take a decision.

I also have Cerrone cleaning Diaz’s clock[/quote]

Too big,fat steroid-heads trying to overpower each other-WHO cares?![/quote]

Looking at your profile pictures, you’re the last fucking person who should be slandering either of these guys. [/quote]

Looking at your profile picture,I have no doubt that you are too big,fat steroid head.Minus the skills of Lesnar/Overeem.

So you are the one who judges my fighting ability by pictures??!!
Nice try.
I really had no problems whatsoever in evading initial wild attacks of big elephants like yourself and hurting them at will.They rarely had any agility,skills or conditioning to back their big size & even bigger egos.

[/quote]

Dude, get out of here. Take your shit somewhere else.

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[quote]FISCHER613 wrote:
Wait a minute you don’t believe that Steroids modifies a persons behavior ? Really…

Now add in a anti-suppresant plus Hydrcodone quite possible that is a very bad cocktail.

On Brock’s Intestine problems: How about Growth Hormone contributing to it ever think along those lines?

See funny thing is with modern medicine is what happens when a bunch of stuff is mixed together we don’t really know because it is not studied.

Sidenote: painkillers (lrg doses) cause constipation and a lot of WWE are are on pain medicine. Just thinking out loud.[/quote]

don’t do that, say something and end it with really, it’s juvenile. Instead, back it up. You cannot, there are no studies done on it and men much smarter then you and I have tried to prove it and the evidence is lacking, big time. there is no conclusive proof that testosterone alters behavior NEGATIVELY. none. simple as that. go Google yourself silly for the next ten hours and really (this is a good use of the word really) read the articles and you will come to exactly the same conclusion. by the way, in this litigious country, if it were so, as many claim, it would be in the information that comes with the pharmaceutical grade testosterone you can find at the pharmacy. I challenge you to go and read the pamphlet that come with testosterone cypionate or enanthate. Many side effects but not the one ‘experts’ parrot.

And think about this for once, when do you feel at your absolute best? When your test is high or low? When your team wins, when you get that promotion, when you have a great workout, when you get a blowjob and when you buy that new car, your test is HIGH. You feel calm, collected, in the groove, you do not want to bash someone’s skull in. Now reverse this and your team loses, after 10 years some newbie got your promotion, you remembered you haven’t had a blowjob in years and how do you feel now? Right. It is not HIGH test that makes you go nuts.

But, the proof is absolutely there for pain killers and anti depressants. You make a good point in this regard and Lesnar might have used a lot of pain killers over his career. Read some of the stories of the WWE circuit and how brutal that is and I can totally see they pop several percacet a day to keep going. He might have done that for years.

growth hormone: no, also will not contribute. abuse of GH can lead to size increase of organs but the amounts that has to be taken are silly and no non bodybuilder would dare go there. GH is used for healing purposes in other circuits (see baseball for example) and the amounts don’t warrant cause for concern.

It is caused by feces getting stuck, it is that simple and painkillers and anti-depressants can cause that.

Now, and now I am going to speculate, do you know why Lesnar has that sword tattooed on his chest pointing at his head? He felt a lot of pressure in his life at the time and was lost and felt like someone held a knife to his throat. Sounds like depression to me and i would not be surprised if he took something for it. Combine that with the painkillers and his low on fiber diet and you have a possible cause for feces getting stuck…but steroids, no.

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[quote]kmcnyc wrote:
I didnt say they cause it-
I say they can promote it.

as for benoit- I think that is a far fetched analogy
Benoit was on plenty of drugs.
Plenty.

I think its more about how some anabolic agents can change cholesterol levels
and increase toxins in the intestine and put stress on the endocrine system
in some.

Im no steroid guru and clearly there is alot of junk on the interweb
just my two cents- having played D1 sports and class work
and some very basic research.

thanks for helping out with my knee jerk soap boxing

/quote]

You say, you think, but you do not back anything up. You merely parrot and assume based on no experience whatsoever and thus you perpetuate an uneducated opinion on the internet and in people’s mind.

Benoit was on 3 things only, again you just spew some shit out. He was on ONE painkiller, ONE anti-depressant and on ONE steroid (test cypionate). That is, in the medical field, not that much.

You have hundreds of thousands of men and women whom have used and abused steroids over the past 10 years and none exhibit these symptoms.

There are some anabolics that increase cholesterol which leads to high blood pressure, risk of heart disease and stroke. There are some that cause your body to become toxic when taken in high amounts and for prolonged periods of time but that’s not what these athletes take/do.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]SKELAC wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]SKELAC wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
Havent seen any discussion for this on here, so not sure if there’s much interest but here goes.

Been tons of buzz and debate about this fight going around the internet lately, i want to hear some thoughts on how this one plays out.

This is a not a fight i would bet on, just too many variables and interesting circumstances surrounding these two guys squaring off against eachother, especially with it being Overeem’s first fight in the UFC. However, i have to pick Overeem. I just cant see Brock being able to hold overeem down and finish him before Reem inevitably lands that huge punch or knee that turns the lights out.

Obviously Brock’s defense is lackluster and i believe Reem will find the mark eventually. The other thing that all the sherdog warriors seem to be completely leaving out is the fact that Overeem is not just a kickboxer, but also a very competent grappler in his own right, with good TD’s and TDD. And that was BEFORE he became Ubereem.

If Brock had a hard time holding Cain or Couture down and couldnt do any damage to them on the ground, i dont see him steam rolling Overeem either.

However, if Overeem plays it safe too much like in the Werdum fight, i wont be surprised to see brock take a decision.

I also have Cerrone cleaning Diaz’s clock[/quote]

Too big,fat steroid-heads trying to overpower each other-WHO cares?![/quote]

Looking at your profile pictures, you’re the last fucking person who should be slandering either of these guys. [/quote]

Looking at your profile picture,I have no doubt that you are too big,fat steroid head.Minus the skills of Lesnar/Overeem.

So you are the one who judges my fighting ability by pictures??!!
Nice try.
I really had no problems whatsoever in evading initial wild attacks of big elephants like yourself and hurting them at will.They rarely had any agility,skills or conditioning to back their big size & even bigger egos.

[/quote]

Dude, get out of here. Take your shit somewhere else.[/quote]

are you any closer to that 45 inch vertical,you damn-ass cocksucker? ;))

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[quote]SKELAC wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]SKELAC wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
Havent seen any discussion for this on here, so not sure if there’s much interest but here goes.

Been tons of buzz and debate about this fight going around the internet lately, i want to hear some thoughts on how this one plays out.

This is a not a fight i would bet on, just too many variables and interesting circumstances surrounding these two guys squaring off against eachother, especially with it being Overeem’s first fight in the UFC. However, i have to pick Overeem. I just cant see Brock being able to hold overeem down and finish him before Reem inevitably lands that huge punch or knee that turns the lights out.

Obviously Brock’s defense is lackluster and i believe Reem will find the mark eventually. The other thing that all the sherdog warriors seem to be completely leaving out is the fact that Overeem is not just a kickboxer, but also a very competent grappler in his own right, with good TD’s and TDD. And that was BEFORE he became Ubereem.

If Brock had a hard time holding Cain or Couture down and couldnt do any damage to them on the ground, i dont see him steam rolling Overeem either.

However, if Overeem plays it safe too much like in the Werdum fight, i wont be surprised to see brock take a decision.

I also have Cerrone cleaning Diaz’s clock[/quote]

Too big,fat steroid-heads trying to overpower each other-WHO cares?![/quote]

Looking at your profile pictures, you’re the last fucking person who should be slandering either of these guys. [/quote]

Looking at your profile picture,I have no doubt that you are too big,fat steroid head.Minus the skills of Lesnar/Overeem.

So you are the one who judges my fighting ability by pictures??!!
Nice try.
I really had no problems whatsoever in evading initial wild attacks of big elephants like yourself and hurting them at will.They rarely had any agility,skills or conditioning to back their big size & even bigger egos.

[/quote]

You’re a typical internet warrior with a case of little man syndrome. You can sit here and talk a big game all you want, but the only thing you can prove is that you’re a goofy looking little bald man, and i am about twice your size. And since this is a bodybuilding/weightlifting in general website, i’d say thats about all that counts.

By the way, im a bouncer like you, the number one type of jagoffs i have to deal with are sufferers of little man syndrome like yourself, never had a problem stomping em under my big ass elephant foot.

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Wow Cerrone looked horrible

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yay shin kick to the liver

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I find it interesting with all this Chris Benoit talk(way it’s going on, I have no idea) you all fail to bring up the fact that he had severe brain damage brought by all the years of wrestling and concussions, severe brain damage that could have brought on dementia.

Back to the fight, I don’t think it really surprised fight fanatics(people who pay attention to fighting mma, boxing, kickboxing etc. not the just the UFC) that Overeem won the fight. Brock was just a selling point for the UFC, he never fought that great of talent with the exception of Mir, Cain and a washed up Randy Couture.

But I’ll tell you this… Brock Lesnar will be the next WWE champion.

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I spent 1 minute “googling” Androgenic effects of Steroids.

http://www.nida.nih.gov/infofacts/steroids.html

Not trying to argue here but I train with some heavy users of Test over 1 gram a week and in my observations they do become much more agressive/moody when they are “on” so I have some real life cases so to speak.

Edit: I agree with you on the reccomeneded doses as prescribed by doctors pertaining to insignificant mood changes but Not in the excess doses taken by Bodybuilders/powerliters etc when they are 5x or more the reccomended dose.

Speaking of constipation some Orals are known to cause that as well.

Back on topic: I hope Brock finds happiness in whatever his next endeavor is to be.

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i only got moody after 2 beers when on dbol lol

otherwise i think its in your head, where you know your getting bigger, stronger, more of an ego push not so much the roids pissing you off.

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[quote]woodzyspl wrote:
i only got moody after 2 beers when on dbol lol

otherwise i think its in your head, where you know your getting bigger, stronger, more of an ego push not so much the roids pissing you off.

[/quote]

They are both depressants so yeah you can get moody.

Or what your saying is the steroids just help bring out the Asshole in people indirectly ofcourse?

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yeh basicly, if 4 weeks ago i couldn’t incline bench say 40kg dumbells, now im getting 60s up feeling like a fucking boss. and someone says shit lol. back down to 50s now tho…

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Man the fight was just so awful it was comical. At least Lesnar realizes he shouldn’t be in the ring anymore.

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[quote]Stay Gold wrote:
I find it interesting with all this Chris Benoit talk(way it’s going on, I have no idea) you all fail to bring up the fact that he had severe brain damage brought by all the years of wrestling and concussions, severe brain damage that could have brought on dementia.

[/quote]

You are right and as you know, not one physician on tv brought that up, it was all ‘roid rage’. Forget about what being repeatedly hit over the head with chairs can do to you. Not to mention any of the other abuse they take to make it look good during the show.

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Here’s a “roid rage” clip from Bigger, Stronger, Faster BIGGER STRONGER FASTER* deleted scene: "Roid Rage" - YouTube

As far as Chris Benoit I remembered seeing this awhile back and finally found it. Chris Benoit's Father Michael Benoit on Nightline - YouTube

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yeh, brock has mad skills… pfftt. best thing that happened, happened tonight. Good riddance

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Not really surprised that Diaz won, even though i was pulling for Cerrone, however i am very disappointed with Cerrone’s performance. Win or lose, i expected more out of him then that. Maybe its fighting 5 times in 10 months thats starting to take its toll, but he looked worse than i’ve ever seen.

Overeem looked echelons above Brock. Very happy with the way that fight ended, and by 1st round TKO just as i predicted. People will still say that Overeem only looks good in the last 8 fights because he hasnt fought top comp, but the bottom line is when you are dominating people like that, you cant tell me he isnt one of the best heavies in the world currently.

Dos Santos may have a harder time with Reem than people believe. Itll be the first time he’s really faced anyone with a significant size/strength advantage, and JDS is basically a boxer. He’s never had to face someone who can destroy your body like Overeem can and can use knees and kicks that effectively. Im gonna go out on a limb and say that Overeem has a very good shot at winning that fight, provided it doesn’t go into the later rounds. (though 30 of his wins have come from 1st round stoppages, so that may not be an issue)

The only thing that surprised me tonight was Fitch getting KO’d like that. Did not see that coming at all, i expected Fitch to grind out a split decision, but the guy hasnt been finished since 2002 so this was the last thing i had in mind.

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Also, at the post fight presser, Dana White looked pretty fucking upset about Brocks loss/retirement. Though i like Brock, i find this very satisfying that Overeem comes in here and wrecks Dana’s golden boy in 2 and a half minutes.

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[quote]humble wrote:
yeh, brock has mad skills… pfftt. best thing that happened, happened tonight. Good riddance[/quote]

Bullshit. The best thing that happened was the Nate Diaz fight. Holy shit. He TOTALLY threw Cerrone off with that reach and pressure. Wow.