My doc asked me today about what steroids I hear about people getting prescriptions for in HRT programs. From reading forums, and talking to “clinics” where it seems pay to play, and from knowing a pharmacist who sees certain ones get prescribed I told him:
Anadrol
Winny/Stanozol
Anavar/Oxandrolone
Deca/Nandrolone
Halotestin
Aside from the standard Testosterone, GH, HCG, Arimidex.
Then he asked if someone was on HRT what would the benefit of steroids be when its not a natural molecule and straight testosteone would be better.
Anyways, he was curious and I am too…especially if he is curious enough that if I found good data, documentation, or studies showing any of the positive effects of these, maybe I have a shot at a script!
So, out of your experience or knowledge, what are the typical kinds of steroids that can be prescribed in the USA an if you know the main or general reason they can be prescribed for?
Anadrol is for anemia and aids wasting, anavar is for after chemo, or xx xy chromosome disorders, deca is for bad burns and genetic issues. Im sure there are other reasons also. I dont know about the other gear either. Im almost certain doctors dont give steroids for hrt. Maybe a specialty clinic would.
Usually though the dosage is like 1/10th of what bbers use. I dont think burning yourself would be worth it. Im almost certain doctors dont give steroids for hrt. Maybe a specialty clinic would.
Ive heard of guys on forums who do get Deca and Anavar as parts of their HRT. So was curious what their doc was justifying it for. Even ESPN magazine last summer had article on steroids, and listed Anavar as an “popular with anti aging”. So some doctors are throwing out Deca and Anavar as part of HRT protocols, Id like to know their justification or explanation for doing so.
I believe Anavar was also given to burn victims… Someone I know actually gave anavar to a cat who was burned by some random asshole… The cat grew its fur back and gained weight, yay!
Many who read my work will be familiar with these ideas:
Steroid hormones are transported to the nuclei of the cells where gene expression is altered. Those effects can be increasing the expression of some genes and/or reducing the effects of others. Any one steroid/hormone can have more than one such effect, thus affecting the expression of multiple genes. When a xeno steroid is introduced, one can have the desired effect [ie anabolic response], but there are other unintended or unwanted effects, even if those are not obvious. The big example is progestin drugs, water soluble and highly bio-available analogs of progesterone, which is highly not bio-available as an oral hormone. Progesterone protects the arteries from the effect of estrogen. Progestins to not. Progestins lead to endothelial dysfunction, clots, strokes, heart attacks, hardening of the arteries. So I then wonder about all of these synthetic testosterone analogs. The effects may be transient and recoverable in young men for the most part who are cycling gear. Youth is resilient. The outcome of chronic administration these testosterone analogs in older men may be an other matter altogether. So some older man taking these testosterone analogs as part of TRT may be having some adverse effects that cause them to become diseased and generally dead sooner compared to those using testosterone.
Note that testosterone esters are not considered active hormones that can dock in T receptors. Once the body strips the ester group off of the testosterone ester molecules, the result is testosterone. Injected T esters are a time release system for bio-identical testosterone. The bio-identical purist doctors do not want to hear that. Testosterone esters, as a drug are not testosterone, but the outcome would seem to be free of the concerns of testosterone analogs. Maybe we need to have the term xeno-testosterone in discussions the same way that we now talk about xeno-estrogens. Note that we have no idea what xeno-estrogens are doing to gene expression as secondary effects.
Speaking of such secondary effects. 5-alpha reductase inhibitors are steroid drugs that alter gene expression. So these are by definition, xeno-hormones. When we see that some young men have deeply shutdown HPTA’s from using these hair loss drugs, we can probably safely say that the drug has made a permanent change in gene expression. So for some, these drugs permanently switch off their ability to hormonally be male. And one concludes that some have this vulnerability and others do not. We can then safely say that some are deeply at risk for xeno-steroid damage and others are not. We then can by extension be very concerned about all xeno-steroid chemicals. Because negative outcomes can often be vague and affect a minority, the damage can be unrecognized.
My doc claims there is no better drug than something that makes you feel like a kid again. Most of the time if you say you’re really depressed and the only thing that makes you feel better is when you’re on test, they’ll give you a script. It all depends on the doctor. Look into studies by William Llewellyn.
[quote]101airborne wrote:
My doc claims there is no better drug than something that makes you feel like a kid again. Most of the time if you say you’re really depressed and the only thing that makes you feel better is when you’re on test, they’ll give you a script. It all depends on the doctor. Look into studies by William Llewellyn.[/quote]
Im already on Test and GH, doubt Ill be able to get Var but thought if there was a plethora of guys on HRT who could give their doctors reasoning for prescribing it, that I could give it a shot.