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That wasn’t the question. And you know he’s not going to be classy. Do you want POTUS to be more conservative?

Yeah I was joking.

I’m not sure what conservative means anymore in the land of him being their standard bearer. If a conservative is someone who listens to experts, considers the impact of their words, shows empathy for people, and feels it is important to educate yourself on a topic then yes I hope he becomes more conservative.

Considering he might be the least fiscally conservative President in history I’d probably need to know what that means first. If it’s slashing help for poor people but saying we drastically need to increase our defense budget or some such typical nonsense no. Would I like President Trump to cut taxes more and keep massive spending? No. Pretty sure he told someone he didn’t worry about a debt crisis because someone else would be president.

That’s true for a lot of people, myself included.

@H_factor @Mufasa

Uh, you do know that Obama served 8 years while Trump has yet to serve 4. The interesting thing is how Reagan increased debt as much as he did when, unlike FDR, we weren’t engaged in a world war or, like Obama, he didn’t take over a nation that was already fighting two wars. Laffer Curve my ass.

OR:

  1. was faced before he even took the oath of Office with the greatest WORLDWIDE recession since the great depression, and

  2. Major U.S. industries bordering on the verge of total collapse?

Not sure what the point was you were trying to make, @NickViar …but what I would say is “try again…”

(Think Trump could have adequately dealt with even one of the two, with a partial Administration full of lackeys and yes men?)

Yeah Obama also took over in an awful time. Increasing government spending is a pretty common recommendation when the economy is in awful shape. Not to get into that argument again.

Even if Obama has been worse are we just saying well technically Trump’s the second worst?

I think the point is, Republicans who worship Reagan do so not because he was a great conservative but because they made money while he was president.

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No. We’re saying Trump has 5 years left to make it to number one.

Whoa, @H_factor and @Mufasa, I know Obama had darker skin than other Presidents. I didn’t mention Obama. Someone said Trump is the least fiscally-conservative President ever. FDR and Wilson set the bar high(low?).

I should have qualified what I was saying a bit better. To me it’s a matter of what you’ve done spending wise based on your situation. If you’re in the midst of a depression increased spending makes sense to many economists. Trump came in with a solid economy and on the whole no major foreign wars at least not in terms of a lot going on with them. If Republicans were fiscally conservative one would think it would be the perfect time.

People aren’t typically asking for fiscal conservatism when the economy is in say a world war or deep recession/depression. I mentioned Obama because the article you linked says it right in the first part. Your article discusses the situations that led to some of that spending. I was saying Trump doesn’t have a world war or massive financial crisis to deal with.

None of this is surprising though considering he said we can’t default since we print our own money and that he could negotiate a good deal if we did so no big deal.

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This.

He knows what he was trying to do but assumed, incorrectly, he was smart enough to pull it off.

Where, guys? I see him in a photograph with four other Presidents, and I see his name mentioned as an example explaining the time lag.

You answered your own question.

When you share a link on here it often contains a paragraph from the article. His name is in it (and in the actual article of course). Unless we’re being trolled.

I don’t believe this one did. The link appears to contain just some quick points. I didn’t even pay attention to what the quick link said. I read the article and didn’t recall anything like what you had seen in what I’d consider “the first part(of course, I guess “first part” is open to interpretation).”

You guys are really stuck on Obama. I’ve said, numerous times, that he is nowhere near the worst President ever(I don’t know how he’d have been if he’d been able to accomplish all he wanted, but that goes for all of them). Wilson, FDR and his distant cousin, and plenty of others set the bar high.

We reading the same thing? Your original link from the thread says this at least on my screen. I pretty much only use my phone to visit t-nation so maybe that varies by system? Note that the system shows this as your quote when really it’s the quote from the article just to clear up confusion.

I still think the situations a President operates under matter quite a bit. When we’re looking at World War 2 or the Great Depression we’re looking at events at the time where the overwhelming majority of people are wanting the government to do more. Which essentially always means spend more. Again without nitpicking what the government should do in those times. For the most part on the whole post Pearl Harbor and the Great Depression weren’t times when the majority of the electorate was thinking austerity.

My point was the current President came in with a stable economy and no significant foreign policy quagmires. If Republicans and Trump wanted to be fiscally conservative in any type of sense they had all three branches and a pretty sweet setup in terms of where things were at to do it.

You don’t believe? Waffle much? You’re not a troll but you are a shill.