The prof said it all.
Eat clean and eat lots.
Train hard and come back when your over 200 lbs.
You cant go wrong with the info you are getting from the above posts.
[quote]rsg wrote:
Again thank you guys for the replies, I know chasing 2 goals at once is pointless E-man, and so I have been getting side tracked.
Couple more questions.
I know this is probably a stupid question but if I don’t ask I won’t know for sure.
I know you can’t build muscle on calories below maintenance, and lose fat on calories above maintenance, but
assume one’s maintenance is 3000cal and they were able to build muscle on 3800cal. If you took in 3800cal, trained heavy and then burnt off enough calories by cardio later on in the day to fall below maintenance calories, would it not then possibly build muscle and lose fat at the same time to a certain extent? Maybe taking a nap in between the lifting and cardio sessions and spacing them out?
I know this would mean that you’re below maintenance for the day, but the calories have passed through you and may have been used for building muscle during the day/nap. Crazy idea that would be pointless practice or what?[/quote]
I think you’d have a better chance of mugging the Lucky Charm’s Leppercon at the other end of the rainbow. No that also isn’t possible because the body doesn’t go by a set clock. Hard to explain. The closest thing would be if your daily expendature is 4000 cals then take in just enough to stay in the highest end of the muscle building zone without overdoing it. It really is simple. Stop overcomplicating it.
[quote]E-man wrote:
rsg wrote:
Again thank you guys for the replies, I know chasing 2 goals at once is pointless E-man, and so I have been getting side tracked.
Couple more questions.
I know this is probably a stupid question but if I don’t ask I won’t know for sure.
I know you can’t build muscle on calories below maintenance, and lose fat on calories above maintenance, but
assume one’s maintenance is 3000cal and they were able to build muscle on 3800cal. If you took in 3800cal, trained heavy and then burnt off enough calories by cardio later on in the day to fall below maintenance calories, would it not then possibly build muscle and lose fat at the same time to a certain extent? Maybe taking a nap in between the lifting and cardio sessions and spacing them out?
I know this would mean that you’re below maintenance for the day, but the calories have passed through you and may have been used for building muscle during the day/nap. Crazy idea that would be pointless practice or what?
I think you’d have a better chance of mugging the Lucky Charm’s Leppercon at the other end of the rainbow. No that also isn’t possible because the body doesn’t go by a set clock. Hard to explain. The closest thing would be if your daily expendature is 4000 cals then take in just enough to stay in the highest end of the muscle building zone without overdoing it. It really is simple. Stop overcomplicating it.
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Understood! Thank you. It’s just something I was pondering…
Hello,
Im like you im new to training about 10 months in.I spent the first 4 months losing fat from the last few years of eating to excess and being a lazy turd.After i’d got down to about 14-15% BF I decided to bulk up for about 4 months.The thing is I didnt realise then (Duhhh) is your not supposed to get “fat” and I ate way over my needs putting on about 2lbs a week.
Now im like you and im in the same boat, Im past 20% BF and I need to shed some lard so I can put some lb’s on muscle on the scale.Thank’s to prof X’s advice however iv’e held onto my weight for the last 6 weeks eating at maintaince and doing HIIT 2-3 times a week.I plan to hold onto my weight for another two weeks than slowwwwly drop the kcals till I lose about 10-20lbs i.e im back to 15% BF so I can do a slowwwwwwwwwwwww “bulk” for longer.
The point im trying to make is hold onto your weight for a while and then shed the fat but dont try to diet down too far.Just enough so you shed the love handles and the spare tire but not so your some walking skeleton with ripped ab’s.Then again hold your new weight for a while and gain slowly after that.
Prof X please correct me if wrong on any advice Iv’e mentioned thanks, 
think G-flux … u can eat plenty of calories burn fat and build muscle at the same time, just involve as much physical activity at u can on a daily bases , i never thought it was to important if calories were at matenince to lose a good amount of body fat
[quote]E-man wrote:
You asked for an answer so I’ll give you one even though I think a serious diet phase will wreak havoc on your physique.
First to answer your initial question. It has to be either 100% cut or 100% bulk but doing both at the same time and you’ll reach niether goal.
" He who chases 2 rabbits will lose both"
So if your goal is to cut up then focus strictly on that. Yes muscle will be lost. It is physiologically impossibly to do both and preserve all lean mass. With high protein intake and super strict macronutrient timing you can cut losses to a minimum. Not to offend you but I don’t think your knowledge of nutrition or training is adequate so you will probably lose quite a bit(also a reason not to cut). If your cardio is too high you will lose gains. If it is too low you won’t lose shit and keep that gut. Just by looking at your pics I can tell you went about the bulking cycle the wrong way. Too many people gain fat in an attempt to gain anything. THE PURPOSE OF A GAIN PHASE IS TO GAIN MUSCLE. Don’t feel bad I had to learn this the hard way too. Yes fat gain is inevitable but if you’re gaining large amounts of fat that tells you your calories are in excess(which is the whole purpose). So if you’re gaining fat at 5,000 cals a day then there’s no need for 5,500. This is common sense but it amazes me how many fuck it up. So to sum this novel up. If you’re gonna cut then cut. Don’t sweat losing some muscle but do everything you know to keep loses to a minimum. You have A LOT to learn and I suggest you read as much as possible. Good luck.[/quote]
This is totally wrong. A beginner such as this guy looks to be could eat healthy food around maintenance, lift hard and get to be lean while adding a little muscle. It shouldn’t take that long either. It won’t take long of training properly and eating right but neither a surplus nor a real deficit to be lean and at a great starting point for an extended bulk.
[quote]Bmhs Indians wrote:
think G-flux … u can eat plenty of calories burn fat and build muscle at the same time, just involve as much physical activity at u can on a daily bases , i never thought it was to important if calories were at matenince to lose a good amount of body fat [/quote]
Oh jeez, thanks for pointing that out.
I just re-read the G-Flux article by JB and actually thought about what I was reading.
Now I get it - add in another 1-2 hours a week (I’m already training 4-5 hours a week), eat above maintenance and I can drop fat while gaining size once I get the intake and expenditure ratio right.
Ok, back to the drawing board AGAIN.
EDIT: See, there was some logic to my previously posted theory.