Last Bit o' Fat

Hey guys,
i am looking for some help here. after a great bulk in the winter, i have successfully used the velocity diet and a T-Dawg type diet to get where i am now. the only problem is that i am trying to lose that last amount of fat so that i am SHREDDED for the summer. here’s the current diet:

9:30 - Low-Carb Grow! shake with flax seeds

12:00 - Grilled chicken breast with an apple

2:00 - grilled chicken breast with fish oils caps

5:00 - scrambled eggs (w/ yolk) and carrots

8:00 - various protein source (Grow!, chicken, lean beef, etc.) with flax caps

*for training days substitute a Classic Grow! shake in the morning and a workout followed by Surge after the 4:30 meal.

this diet is consistent all week.

my training is a modified TBT set up the way Shugart did his V-Diet workout. i do three multi-joint exercises (squat, deads, pull-ups, etc.) for 5 sets of 3. then i will do one exercise for 3 sets of 8 (ie lateral dumbell raises). i finish with two specialized exercises for 2x10. i do this three times per week (varied days) and do cardio 6 days a week, mostly in the afternoon. i have had no exerience with muscle loss at all as i am using max strength HOT-ROX but i just need to know how to lose that last bit of fat. stats are 23, 6’0", 188, 7-9% bf. thanks guys for any help.

Good lord your in the sub 10% numbers and you are wanting to shed that alst lil bit of fat. You have a competition or something bringing you on stage.

Around 7-9% you shjoulb be pretty damn ripped. Any lower and your talkin contest ready and nothing you want to attempt to maintain, well in a healthy fasion atleast.

I say eat clean, through a bit of cardio n now and again in the form of anything fun you do this summer and enjoy your self a bit.

You have done GREAT tio get where you are. now celebrate a bit and simply try to maintaine that for the summer.

If however you are getting ripped for a contest or such, ignore what I said and go for that also.

[quote]Phill wrote:

Around 7-9% you shjoulb be pretty damn ripped. Any lower and your talkin contest ready and nothing you want to attempt to maintain, well in a healthy fasion atleast.
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I am also interested in exactly where he is going that being leaner than 7-9% is either a requirement or a goal. Most people would find it hard to maintain their lean body mass lower than that. Further, most would only attempt to get leaner than 7% if it were temporary.

Phill,
i am closer to the 9-10% range but you know how it gets using different calipers and different people testing. i just want to bring out the lower abs more and see some serious shoulder striations. back and chest look good along with quads and hams. i have always had weak ass calves so no worries there. no, no contest this year but i plan on competing next year so i want to see what type of diet and training my body responds best to in regards to fat loss so there will be no guessing next year when i start dieting.

i am also very excited to put this Carbolin 19 to use. i dieted from 203-205 down to the 188 i am at now but kept 98% of my strength so i am very proud of that. i need to bring up my shoulders and overall leg development before i even consider stepping on stage but i still would like to look good this summer. so, thats where i stand and if you have any more advice i would be more than happy to listen. thanks.

I’ve always found sprinting works wonders - Read the Running Man article and find a track and start doing some 400’s.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I am also interested in exactly where he is going that being leaner than 7-9% is either a requirement or a goal. Most people would find it hard to maintain their lean body mass lower than that. Further, most would only attempt to get leaner than 7% if it were temporary. [/quote]

Professor X:
Yes it is more of a temporary thing, i just want to see how low i can get for personal reasons for the time being and, as alluded to earlier, i am trying to see what type of diet and training my body best responds to so next year i wont need to be experimenting.

i have friends claiming that i am crazy for doing this whole “eating chicken and oats with no sauce or seasoning” and “going to the gym every day” and i would like to prove them wrong too. so, it is all of these factors but mainly to get to a personal best with the muscle i have put on this winter.

A very small point, but I would stick to green veggies. Carrots have a good bit of sugar for a vegetable. If you get down to 7% from the 9-10% you’re at now, the difference will be big time. Even 8% is a lot different from 9%. Sucks having little calves huh!

[quote]apayne wrote:
A very small point, but I would stick to green veggies. Carrots have a good bit of sugar for a vegetable. If you get down to 7% from the 9-10% you’re at now, the difference will be big time. Even 8% is a lot different from 9%. Sucks having little calves huh![/quote]

yes, my little calves have plagued me my whole life. i have played field sports my whole life and not even all of that running has made a difference. thanks for the advice and i will try to force some green veggies down. i HATE them.

You need Ultimate Diet 2. It is specific to what you looking for. If you are disciplined enough to handle VD than you can handle UD2. You may have to put your paradigms on the back burner because for extreme body comp an very intricate approach is necessary. It is good enough for CT, not to mention many other competitors use it.

But first you must reverse some of metabolic slowdown by taking a couple week off of dieting.

Eat 15 cals x lb of BW for 7 - 14 days and UD2 from Amazon

2 things.

  1. You need more vegetables in your diet, I see none.

  2. Keep doing what your doing. You’ve in no way indicated that your diet was not working, so unless you’ve gone a lengthy amount of time without any progress, should you change.

Explain more about the cardio you’re doing, it might could use some tweaking.

Is there a deadline you’re trying to meet?

Check out this article by JB:

[CENTER]Getting In Shape By Training The Energy Systems
By John M Berardi
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Have you ever noticed the ultra-lean, heavily muscled physiques of sprint type athletes (100m runners, running backs, speed skaters) and wondered why your training hasn’t produced such a result? After all, you train with weights 3-5x per week to build muscle. And you do a couple of moderate intensity cardio workouts to burn fat. So why don’t you look better than these athletes? All they do is spend the bulk of their time running around a track. So why are their pecs, arms, and abs better defined than yours?

Well, there are a few answers to these questions. The first answer is, as you might have suspected, genetics. While many athletes would have you believe that their hours of hard training have made them into the athlete that they are today, the truth is that they did get a kick start from their chromosomes. You see, successful athletes are born with great potential for their sport. Then, while playing, as a kid, they began to self-select certain sports that they are good at. Add in a solid training regimen and their inherent potential shines.

But there’s another side to the question. Although these athletes are born with an advantage, one that allows them to develop muscle and burn fat more easily than most, we can’t underestimate the importance of their hard training. By targeting the muscle fibers that contribute to explosive power as well as training the anaerobic energy systems (ATP-PC system and glycolytic system), these athletes can’t help but get bigger, stronger, and leaner. And if you apply the tricks I’m going to teach you in parts 1 and 2 of this article, you’ll get bigger, stronger, and leaner too.

The Anaerobic Energy Systems

First, let’s define our terms. If you’re familiar with the term “aerobic”, you’ll know that it means “with oxygen”. Therefore, aerobic energy systems are systems in the body in which energy (ATP) is generated from the consumption of oxygen. Simple enough.

Now, the opposite of “aerobic” is “anaerobic” which, by definition, means “without oxygen”. Therefore, anaerobic energy systems are systems in the body in which energy (ATP) is generated from non-oxidative sources. Now this is where it gets hairy.

From the aforementioned definitions it would appear that these two energy systems were mutually exclusive; only one is active at a time. And in fact, once upon a time, in a land far, far away, researchers believed that no oxygen was used to make ATP during anaerobic exercise. Thus the name. However, current research shows that even during the most “anaerobic” of events, the aerobic system (with oxygen) is also activated (to a small extent).

With that said, it’s important to realize what determines the ability of the body to go “with” or “without” oxygen. Well, the main two determinants are intensity and duration. Here’s an illustration of these variables in action.

As I’m sure that you all know, if you’re on the track and you start to run really fast, for the first few seconds you’ll feel quite explosive. But after just 3-10 seconds, some of that explosiveness will subside and you’ll slow down a bit. Still pushing hard though, yet getting progressively slower, about 15-20 seconds into the run, your muscles will begin to burn and you’ll have to slow down even more. Finally, due to the burning and fatigue, you’ll either have to work your way down to a slow paced jog or you’ll have to stop altogether. Why does this occur, you might ask? Well, check out the following chart:

Anaerobic System

Time To: ATP-PC Glycolytic Aerobic System
Peak Power/System <1sec. 20sec. 2-3min.
Maintenance of Peak 10sec. 20sec. 3min.
Total Capacity 10-30sec. 1-2min. hours
Full Time For Recovery 3min. 1-2hr. 24hr.-48hr.
? Time For Recovery 30sec. 15-20min. 5-6hr.

So what’s the chart mean? Well, in it you’ll find the actual values for the duration of each energy system (assuming that you work within the appropriate intensity domain). Now, I want you to notice something very specific in the chart above. If you’re perceptive you’ll have realized that I’ve not only listed the differences between the anaerobic systems and the aerobic systems, but I’ve also listed two types of anaerobic systems; ATP-PC and glycolytic. Let me explain the difference between the two.

The ATP-PC system is so-called because the provision of energy at very high intensities is dependent only on stored ATP already in the muscles and on the ability of the muscle’s very limited amount of phosphocreatine (PC) to regenerate the ATP as it gets used up. Since these stores are limited, as you might imagine, as the ATP and the PC become depleted, the body has to slow down. Therefore, as you can see in the chart, this system has only a limited ability to generate ATP as the peak power of the system occurs at the 1-second mark and the system only has a capacity of 30 seconds. However, the rate of ATP generation is the fastest of the three and that’s why this system is so important for high intensity exercise. When using the ATP-PC anaerobic energy system, you can generate a lot of power for a very short period of time. A 100m sprint is run within the ATP-PC domain.

The Glycolytic anaerobic energy system is so-called because the provision of energy from this system is dependent on muscle glycogen (carbohydrate stores). As you can see in the chart, the glycolytic system provides ATP generating power for longer than the ATP-PC system but it’s ability to sustain high intensity exercise is also limited in that the total capacity of this system is 2 minutes.

So the bottom line is that in order to generate power during high intensity exercise, the anaerobic energy system first utilizes stored ATP, then PC, and then muscle glycogen. Well, hold on though! In looking at the substrates used during anaerobic work (ATP, PC, glycogen) you’ll notice that fat is mysteriously missing from the list. Does that mean that I’m spending all this time writing about a form of exercise that burns no fat? No way! Listen up.

The interesting thing with anaerobic training is that although very little fat is burned during the short, high intensity efforts, quite a bit of fat is burned in the recovery time between efforts. Therefore by effectively training the anaerobic system (via interval workouts), you’ll be dropping large amounts of fat as well.

The Benefits of Training The Anaerobic Energy Systems

While training the anaerobic energy systems is clearly be of benefit for enhancing athletic performance, there are many other non-athletic benefits as well:

  1. This type of training is very calorie expensive. Short, 30-minute workouts can burn in excess of 400kcal during the exercise. While carbohydrates provide much of the fuel used during the high intensity interval, fat is also burned preferentially during the low intensity aerobic recovery period between the high intensity intervals.

  2. The post exercise calorie expenditure is huge with this type of exercise. In some studies the resting metabolic rate remains elevated (by 15% or more) up to 24 hours after the workout. Interestingly, after exercise the body preferentially burns fat so this elevated metabolism is burning predominantly fat.

  3. This exercise leads to an up regulation of aerobic, anaerobic, and ATP-PC enzyme activity. This means that all the energy systems of the body will operate at higher levels and become efficient at burning calories and generating energy.

  4. The muscles used during this type of exercise will change their composition, shifting toward an increased percentage of fast twitch fibers. This increase in power-producing fast fibers comes at the expense of the weaker slow twitch ones. The shift is desired as the fast fibers grow more easily than the slow fibers.

  5. There is an increase in specific muscle cell organelles (i.e. the sarcoplasmic reticulum). This leads to a better calcium balance and contractile ability.

  6. There are short-lived increases in blood testosterone (38%) and growth hormone concentrations immediately after exercise. While this is debatable, these changes may contribute to an anabolic state in the body.

So What Are We Waiting For?

For the optimal application of anaerobic training in order to improve body composition, here is a model that I’ve found particularly successful. I have also used this program for off-season conditioning in my athletes.

Day 1 - 1.5 hours of Resistance Training (Upper Body - Pushing Type Exercises)
Day 2 - *30 minutes of Anaerobic Interval Training (Rowing)
Day 3 - 1.5 hours of Resistance Training (Lower Body)
Day 4 - *30 minutes of Anaerobic Interval Training (Cycling)
Day 5 - 1.5 hours of Resistance Training (Upper Body - Pulling Type Execises)
Day 6 - *30 minutes of Anaerobic Interval Training (Running)
Day 7 - Rest

*The anaerobic training activities are varied in order to activate different muscles from one workout to the next.

In structuring your interval days, here are some suggestions.

  1. Before beginning such a program, be sure to experiment with high intensity exercise. If you have never tried such exercise before, you are in for a surprise - it’s difficult.

  2. Use a 1:3 ratio of exercise to recovery (i.e. for every 1 second you sprint, rest for 3 seconds).

  3. To maximally activate your anaerobic glycolytic system, your exercise duration should be 30s to 60s. As a result your recovery will be between 90s and 180s.

  4. Intensity is key to the success of this program. If your intensity is too low during the exercise, you will not realize the full training adaptation. If intensity is too high, you won’t be able to complete the workout. You’ll have to play around with the intensity until you get it right.

  5. Your exercise intensity should be more than double that of your recovery intensity for 60s bouts and more than triple for 30s bouts. For example, if running at 11mph for 60s during your exercise interval, you should be running at approximately 5.5 mph for 180s during your recovery interval. Likewise if you’re cycling at 350 watts for 30s during your exercise interval, your recovery should be at about 100 watts for 90s during your recovery interval.

  6. When increasing the intensity from one workout to the next, be sure to increase the work. Do not increase the exercise duration or decrease the duration of the recovery. If the exercise to recovery ratio drops below 1:3, you’ll lose power during your exercise interval and the activity becomes more aerobic.

Here is an example of these rules in action from one of my client records.

Day 2 - Rowing
5-minute warm-up followed by 7 sets of the following:
60 seconds at 250 watts*
180 seconds at 125 watts

Day 4 - Cycling
5-minute warm-up followed by 15 sets of the following:
30 seconds at 300 watts (level 12)*
90 seconds at 100 watts (level 2)

Day 6 - Running
5-minute warm-up followed by 7 sets of the following:
60 seconds at 11mph*
180 seconds at 5.5 mph

*If it’s easy to maintain the same workout output for the full 30 minutes, increase the work (watts or speed) for the next workout. Increase the intensity to the point that it becomes difficult to complete all the sets at the prescribed intensity. Just like with resistance training, use progressive overload to continually improve.

So there you have it. A new model for improving body composition that’s very effective and doesn’t involve boring hours of your life spent on the cardio equipment. Give this program a try and the next time you’re admiring the physique of a well-trained anaerobic athlete, it may be your own.

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i was considering giving the anaerobic route a try as i hate straight cardio. right now i do morning walks on my training days and afternoon eliptical on my non training days, both for 30 minutes. i do not want to “run” as last year this was my main cardio focus (long distance style) and i lost a condsiderable amount of muscle along with fat (i was down to 174 and higher bf than i am now.) maybe a stupid question but would it be better to do sprints and this type of work first thing in the morning or in the afternoon/after a workout? i realize that both would be effective but has anybody experienced a difference in the two?

You’ll probably pass out if you do sprints first thing in the morning!

Cardio in a fasted state is supposed to burn the most fat, so morning seems like the right choice. However, it is my opinion that with someone such as yourself, whose metabolism is working overtime and is eating often and at a sub-maintenance level no less, that you are acheiving that “fasted” state a couple hours after each meal. The only way to really know is to experiment on yourself!

I would suggest go the route LL has suggested as of late for cardio. I found it was AWESOME last time I cut (lol over a year ago) I had hit a sticking point was jogging and such.

Changed it to the Semi fasted morning cardio walking. 45 mins. With an xvest. Boy that really worked at shedding the fat and preserving LBM/strength. Just have a half scoop of Grow! when you wake up then hit the street.

Good luck getting ripped. Dont take it to far though if your ultimate goal is to gain more size, dont wanna risk what you have bulit so far…

Hope that helps

Oh and More veggies for sure,
Phill

Veggies i do need for sure, i can stomach plain spinach lettuce which is good i guess. all others make me vomit so i guess i will make like a rabbit. thanks guys for all the help and if anyone has anyhting else to add (ie things that have worked for you) i would be much appreciative.