What do they call a whore in HK, my Cantonese comrade?
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It makes me wonder, if the anti-man feminists are just a small fringe group then why do they and their ideologies receive so much attention in media and online? Like the whole concept of “rape culture”, in places like India or South Africa there does appear to be something that could be described as such but in North America? Sounds like complete nonsense to me.
Well, I certainly wouldn’t let my sons go outside wearing something like that. But there are parents out there raising their kids in a “gender-neutral” manner, I have seen a few other examples. Like there was this boy who used to go to a daycare in my neighborhood who had hair past shoulder length and wore a green and pink snowsuit. My kids thought he was a girl and were confused when they found out he was a boy. He was only about 3 years old at the time so it’s hard to argue that it was his choice, which three year old gets to decide what clothes to wear or their haircut?
The pink and green snowsuit thing is kinda weird but my son had long hair till he entered kindergarten because some kids just don’t take haircuts very well and I didn’t want to have to beat him to get one (like I was). Guaranteed way to make a kid hate haircuts.
Being keenly attuned to sharp rhetoric I was asked a number of times “Is that a boy or a girl? I can’t tell with that hair!” which I would answer with “Doesn’t matter. He’s going to remain a virgin till he’s at least 12.” or some other such snark.
Because if a person doesn’t know the sex of a child simply by observation, they really don’t need to know it, do they?
Like, why such keen interest in children’s sex organs?
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Crazies get ratings. Crazies create fear. Fear gets votes.
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Next time be like “Hell, I dunno: my wife always gets them dressed.”
Alternative punchline “I dunno man: I just grabbed the first kid I saw.”
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“I dunno. The thing just started following me. Now I can’t get rid of it.”.
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My son doesn’t like haircuts. He has long hair. I haven’t been asked the question.
This thread has prepared me so I can rustle a few jimmies: “My child is genderless until they reach an age where they can make an informed decision on their identity”
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Because the frightened anti-feminists keep it going. Gillette puts out one commercial, a certain number of people think “oh, nice” and it shows up on my Facebook feed a single time. No one is going crazy over it but the fringe feminists, and who even knows any of those? Then the anti-feminists pick it up and go crazy over it as a sign that MASCULINITY ITSELF is threatened, and here we are. Personally, I don’t know any anti-feminists or men’s rights activists in real life, as I don’t know any radical feminists. All of the feminists I know are pro-male, and all of the men I know are for women’s rights. Most of the people I know support that men pitch in with housework, for example, though the degree to which this actually happens varies - and no one foams at the mouth over it. Couples I know (some starting out with small children) have very traditional setups, and no one opposes that in any way.
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The YouTube “political commentators”, some of whom are glorified bums, pick it up and keep talking about it because they know outrage sells. It gets them clicks. It’s like how Right Wing news outlets mentioned that imbecile AOC more than Left Wing ones a couple of months ago.
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I always thought it was very interesting how the media is biased right up until the point that it starts saying things I agree with.
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Toxic masculinity is a real thing. Am I now a militant feminist?
And it’s not thing that means that masculinity itself is toxic. Toxic is the adjective that describes a particular version or type of traditional masculinity. Just like when you add adjectives to a noun like, say, bodybuilding. If I say someone is a PRO bodybuilder, you wouldn’t ask me ‘what makes all bodybuilders pro?’ That would be stupid, right? In the same way, you can have healthy masculinity, and you can have toxic masculinity. Much in the same way, you can have healthy feminism and toxic feminism. It’s not a critique on all of masculinity.
Just felt like the phrase needed clarification since you’re taking it as something it is definitively not.
A thing I consider to be an aspect of toxic masculinity: men can’t show emotions (specifically sadness) publicly, and should never cry publicly. They should instead get drunk every night after work and occasionally punching a hole in a wall is acceptable. That set of behaviors is something we generally consider to be attributed to males, and it’s something that I think of as quite toxic.
A healthy masculine trait would be caring and providing for one’s family through gainful employment. Or, teaching kids how to play baseball. Also traits generally attributed to men. But healthy.
I often wonder why these things are so hard for some men to embrace as true.
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Because men don’t hug.
Duh.
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Come on and sing along with me! Summer loving had me a blast
Summer loving happened so fast
I met a girl crazy for me
Met a boy cute as can be
Summer days drifting away to oh oh the summer nights.
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Well said
Tell Rocky and Apollo that.
I agree with you on the good and bad examples however when I’ve heard the term used it isn’t stating the bad examples you give alone but the good ones as well. A man thinking he needs to provide for his wife and kids is also considered toxic because is oppresses women. A firm hand shake? Toxic. Being muscular, athletic etc…so forth and so on.
As far as “are you a militant feminist?”
Do you have purple hair?
Do you own a vagina hat and hate men?
I doubt it.
So maybe your definition or how the term was explained to you is different than it was to me. And it’s perfectly ok for us to disagree. It isn’t toxic to disagree.
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I mean, if the source you’re talking about is saying those sorts of things are toxic, then of course they’re not worth your time, lol. That’s an absurd way to take the phrase. And you’re right that those with extreme views can and do say those sorts of things. There are of course women (and men even) who believe anything masculine is toxic. But for the sake of intelligent discourse, that sort of definition of ‘toxic masculinity’ should be disregarded. I think most of T Nation can speak more intelligently on the subject than that.
I did for a good chunk of last year… lol. My mohawk was pink, purple, and blue at different points before I shaved it off.
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well I think we can agree on that. I’d much rather take your definition of the term as truth vs the way I’ve heard it put.
The purple hair thing was just an unfortunate coincidence. I mean I eat vegetables but I’m not a vegetarian
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