Hi All,
I started at 150mg/week then upped to 200mg/week divided into 2 shots. I inject into my chest using a slin needle, so it’s likely going IM but may be “shallow IM” or SubQ, who knows. I cycle HCG for testicle function, during this test I had not injected HCG. Wanted to get some feedback from you experts on how my numbers look. I feel good, just want to know if the numbers look good health-wise for running this protocol long term:
How many days were between your last injection?
I should have mentioned that - my bad. I inject Tuesday mornings and Friday evenings. For this text, I altered my injection slightly so that I’d be at my trough before drawing blood on Friday morning (so basically last injection was Monday night, about 6-8 hours earlier than normal so that I didn’t have to fast and wait to get the blood test Friday evening - instead it was done Friday morning).
You have really high Testosterone and consequently E2 levels. Your hematocrit is quite high as well. Are you aiming to achieve supra-physiological levels? Otherwise it really looks fine to me.
The numbers are only part of the equation, how you feel is far more important than the numbers.
The labs look good, but all that matters is your feel your best and if you feel there’s need for improvement, I would say maybe levels are a tad too high. I personally wouldn’t want estrogen 35> because Dr. Saya has seen slight HPTA suppression with estrogen in the 40’s in natural men not on TRT which pretty much hints estrogen in the 40’s isn’t desirable or natural unless obese.
I feel absolutely great. Been going through a divorce for almost 2 years now, and the addition of TRT has given my life back. I’m able to function, focus, sleep, workout, recover, feel good, have an amazing father/son relationship, now the X is begging to come back, getting in shape, making decisions and sticking to them…etc
My question…I know my levels are higher than they really should be. With that in mind, if I’m weight lifting 3 times a week, doing moderate cardio 2-3 times per week, eating absolutely CLEAN as hell with lots of omega-3s, etc would that help me maintain this level long term without a big risk of serious damage?
My main focus has been diet and I’m killing it…lots of berries, complex carbs, wild caught and pastured fish/meat, lots of veggies, etc.
Any thoughts on the cholesterol overall?
Also just to point out - I went from 150mg per week to 200mg per week, waiting 3 months and on the blood test my cholesterol numbers improved very slightly (I’m talking a couple points) but that to me is great because typically the cholesterol numbers worsen with the higher dosage correct? PSA stated the exact same. E2 dropped from 60 to 50 amazingly. No AI, just a ton of broccoli and Turmeric supplement.
There is no particular level that we should be. You’re doing great. I would not change a thing. Serious damage? Serious damage to what?
It’s perfect.
Congratulations!
No, they often improve with higher dosing.
This makes sense and is no revelation. It is also irrelevant since the HPTA shuts down on TRT anyway. In “natural” men, since the hypothalamus “sees” higher estrogen, it slows down the pathway so you do not aromatize more. The concern would be what is causing the higher estrogen and is testosterone correspondingly high. Some men will have lower LH and FSH levels simply because they have better test and E2 levels.
We don’t know what other systems are affected and I personally don’t want to find our down the road, let’s just say I’ll let someone else be the guinea pig.
There is no data on men over the long term with higher than normal estrogen on TRT. It seems like a safe bet to keep levels as close to normal as possible unless you got some type of resistance.
I believe men that are showing resistance will not feel good with normal testosterone or normal estrogen, I’ve heard some members state they don’t feel good until estrogen is in the 40’s or higher.
But if you are on TRT your HPTA is shut down.
Doubt we’ll ever see any either. I do know a handful of guys in their 60s that never went off testosterone after their AAS days of their 20s and 30s. Part of me wishes I was one of them. They look great and are still pretty strong. A controlled, blinded, etc. study over thirty years would seem out of the question though.
