He may be a dick in real life (I have read several articles where folks said he was an ass) and that might be the reason for the witch hunt. But he is one of the 10 ten U.S. athletes of all time IMHO…and has raised over 300 million for cancer research…at the end of the day, it just shows the absolute pettiness of people.
And last point, all 7 of Armstrong’s vacated Tour de France titles will now go to… suspected dopers.
1999: Alex Zulle (confessed to EPO use)
2000: Jan Ullrich (suspended from 2006 Tour; banned this year and stripped of all results from 2005 on)
2001: Jan Ullrich
2002: Joseba Beloki (kept out of 2006 Tour while under doping investigation, later cleared)
2003: Jan Ullrich
2004: Andreas Kloden (accused of illegal blood transfusion in the 2006 Tour)
2005: Ivan Basso (confessed to attempted doping, suspended)
Whew…I thought all of the poor defenseless children would be left with a STEROID ABUSER as an idol!!!
Glad they caught that in time!
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Think of the ten’s of MILLIONS of dollars spent going after Bonds, Clemens and Armstrong…all for nothing, it’s not going to disuade anybody from using PED’s (witness the three failed tests in MLB this past week) and it’s not going to change anybody’s opinion on Bonds/Clemens/Armstrong. If you liked them before, you like them now.
what a joke.[/quote]
Worse than that, it might encourage drugs. Kids wanting to be like him might have thought you could do it without PEDs. Convicting him just tells kids, you gotta dope if you want to be that good.
You guys understand that the USADA CANNOT strip Lance Armstrong of anynof his Tour de France titles? That decision is up to the UCI (the international governing body of cycling) who coincidently backed Armstrongs lawsuit in which he attempted to block this arbitration process.
The USADA can’t actually do anything to him.
Did he cheat? Who knows… But he never got caught because if he did it would have been out in the open long ago. If the USADA had actual evedince and not hearsay Armstrong would have already been banned just like: Landis, Ullrich, Basso and others.
This is a total joke.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Think of the ten’s of MILLIONS of dollars spent going after Bonds, Clemens and Armstrong…all for nothing, it’s not going to disuade anybody from using PED’s (witness the three failed tests in MLB this past week) and it’s not going to change anybody’s opinion on Bonds/Clemens/Armstrong. If you liked them before, you like them now.
what a joke.[/quote]
Worse than that, it might encourage drugs. Kids wanting to be like him might have thought you could do it without PEDs. Convicting him just tells kids, you gotta dope if you want to be that good.[/quote]
Let’s see…
Below average player - no chance really, but + PED’s = maybe a shot at a lifetime dream.
Average player - Maybe minor league career, but + PED’s = Major league contract and nice money.
Above average player - Major league career, but + PED’s = All Star and lot’s o’ money.
Stud player - All star, but + PED’s = MEGA BUCKS and HOF.
It’s not really a question of if…more like…how the fuck do I hide it?
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Let’s see…
Below average player - no chance really, but + PED’s = maybe a shot at a lifetime dream.
Average player - Maybe minor league career, but + PED’s = Major league contract and nice money.
Above average player - Major league career, but + PED’s = All Star and lot’s o’ money.
Stud player - All star, but + PED’s = MEGA BUCKS and HOF.
It’s not really a question of if…more like…how the fuck do I hide it?[/quote]
This is getting off topic here but a “below average” player and an “average player” are NOT going to make it to the Majors just because of PED use.
There is a huge difference between your “average player” and your “average Major League ball player.”
That “average Major leaguer” is he’s and shoulders above an “average player” looking to get into the bigs.
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Let’s see…
Below average player - no chance really, but + PED’s = maybe a shot at a lifetime dream.
Average player - Maybe minor league career, but + PED’s = Major league contract and nice money.
Above average player - Major league career, but + PED’s = All Star and lot’s o’ money.
Stud player - All star, but + PED’s = MEGA BUCKS and HOF.
It’s not really a question of if…more like…how the fuck do I hide it?[/quote]
This is getting off topic here but a “below average” player and an “average player” are NOT going to make it to the Majors just because of PED use.
There is a huge difference between your “average player” and your “average Major League ball player.”
That “average Major leaguer” is he’s and shoulders above an “average player” looking to get into the bigs.[/quote]
Quite correct, I was merely trying to point out that a person on the border of a big contract OR getting to the big leagues is gonna use.
The reward is just too great.
^^ I don’t Nesecarily agree with “is going to use” but I definitely agree with you otherwise.
Some people’s moral or religious views would prevent them from using but I agree that the temptation is there.
[quote]gregron wrote:
^^ I don’t Nesecarily agree with “is going to use” but I definitely agree with you otherwise.
Some people’s moral or religious views would prevent them from using but I agree that the temptation is there.[/quote]
By and large, morals disappear in the face of $ millions.
[quote]gregron wrote:
Some people’s moral or religious views would prevent them from using [/quote]
5% maybe 10%?
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Not that this really matters either way, but I know a handful of people who’ve met Armstrong personally and to a person they all say he’s as big an asshole as you’d ever meet. Maybe this is karma.[/quote]
I imagined that he thought he was “greater than thou” and rubbed some people the wrong way. Obviously they were out to “get him”.
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
Some people’s moral or religious views would prevent them from using [/quote]
5% maybe 10%?[/quote]
Yeah… That’s why I said “some” lol. It would be a very small percentage, I’m sure, but there would be some.
WF- yeah I agree. Money makes people do weird things.
I wonder who Armstrong pissed off to have this done to him.
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
Some people’s moral or religious views would prevent them from using [/quote]
5% maybe 10%?[/quote]
Yeah… That’s why I said “some” lol. It would be a very small percentage, I’m sure, but there would be some.
WF- yeah I agree. Money makes people do weird things.[/quote]
I think we all can agree that under a Dr.'s supervision, PED use can be very safe and HIGHLY effective…if you have a chance to set your family up for generations, it would seem that the risk would be worth taking.
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
Some people’s moral or religious views would prevent them from using [/quote]
5% maybe 10%?[/quote]
Yeah… That’s why I said “some” lol. It would be a very small percentage, I’m sure, but there would be some.
WF- yeah I agree. Money makes people do weird things.[/quote]
I think we all can agree that under a Dr.'s supervision, PED use can be very safe and HIGHLY effective…if you have a chance to set your family up for generations, it would seem that the risk would be worth taking.
[/quote]
Shit, even if it knocked 10 years off my life I’d do it if presented with all those perks. It’d be 10 off the back end anyway. Not like they’d be full of adventure or I’d be physically equipped to enjoy 'em anyhow.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
Some people’s moral or religious views would prevent them from using [/quote]
5% maybe 10%?[/quote]
Yeah… That’s why I said “some” lol. It would be a very small percentage, I’m sure, but there would be some.
WF- yeah I agree. Money makes people do weird things.[/quote]
I think we all can agree that under a Dr.'s supervision, PED use can be very safe and HIGHLY effective…if you have a chance to set your family up for generations, it would seem that the risk would be worth taking.
[/quote]
Shit, even if it knocked 10 years off my life I’d do it if presented with all those perks. It’d be 10 off the back end anyway. Not like they’d be full of adventure or I’d be physically equipped to enjoy 'em anyhow.
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It’s like the great Denis Leary said…
“Smoking takes ten years off your life. Well it’s the ten worst years, isn’t it folks? It’s the ones at the end! It’s the wheelchair, kidney dialysis, adult diaper fucking years. You can have those years! We don’t want 'em, alright?”
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
Some people’s moral or religious views would prevent them from using [/quote]
5% maybe 10%?[/quote]
Yeah… That’s why I said “some” lol. It would be a very small percentage, I’m sure, but there would be some.
WF- yeah I agree. Money makes people do weird things.[/quote]
I think we all can agree that under a Dr.'s supervision, PED use can be very safe and HIGHLY effective…if you have a chance to set your family up for generations, it would seem that the risk would be worth taking.
[/quote]
Shit, even if it knocked 10 years off my life I’d do it if presented with all those perks. It’d be 10 off the back end anyway. Not like they’d be full of adventure or I’d be physically equipped to enjoy 'em anyhow.
[/quote]
It’s like the great Denis Leary said…
“Smoking takes ten years off your life. Well it’s the ten worst years, isn’t it folks? It’s the ones at the end! It’s the wheelchair, kidney dialysis, adult diaper fucking years. You can have those years! We don’t want 'em, alright?”[/quote]
Easy for someone to say when they’re young and trying to justify a bad practice. Ask someone when they’re dying of lung cancer if it was worth it. Ask my neighbor who died last summer at about 55. Hell, ask his wife and family.
^^^ dude, that’s awesome! One of my all time favorite jokes is from Leary: " Lou Gehrig died of Lou Gehrig’s disease. How did he not see that coming?" Gets me every time.
[quote]on edge wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
Some people’s moral or religious views would prevent them from using [/quote]
5% maybe 10%?[/quote]
Yeah… That’s why I said “some” lol. It would be a very small percentage, I’m sure, but there would be some.
WF- yeah I agree. Money makes people do weird things.[/quote]
I think we all can agree that under a Dr.'s supervision, PED use can be very safe and HIGHLY effective…if you have a chance to set your family up for generations, it would seem that the risk would be worth taking.
[/quote]
Shit, even if it knocked 10 years off my life I’d do it if presented with all those perks. It’d be 10 off the back end anyway. Not like they’d be full of adventure or I’d be physically equipped to enjoy 'em anyhow.
[/quote]
It’s like the great Denis Leary said…
“Smoking takes ten years off your life. Well it’s the ten worst years, isn’t it folks? It’s the ones at the end! It’s the wheelchair, kidney dialysis, adult diaper fucking years. You can have those years! We don’t want 'em, alright?”[/quote]
Easy for someone to say when they’re young and trying to justify a bad practice. Ask someone when they’re dying of lung cancer if it was worth it. Ask my neighbor who died last summer at about 55. Hell, ask his wife and family.[/quote]
Easy there Edge, I was using this on regards to PED use and WF’s comment on the last 10 years (hopefully the 80-90) being used up on credit in your 20’s and 30’s.
Smoking’s bad mmmmK.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
^^^ dude, that’s awesome! One of my all time favorite jokes is from Leary: " Lou Gehrig died of Lou Gehrig’s disease. How did he not see that coming?" Gets me every time.[/quote]
No Cure for Cancer is one of the greatest stand up routines of all time, no question.