Yea but none of that matters. Doesn’t make good press and doesn’t incite division between Americans of different backgrounds.
I am verifiably riddled with autism
More than this, perhaps @Beyond_Beyond has more insight into this topic. Australia takes weapons charges very seriously, if you’ve been found to be in the unlawful possession of a weapon AND you’ve hurt someone with it… Even for the purpose of self defence you’ll be in for a whole world of trouble.
As I’ve said. Best self defence tactics in public over here are
- 100 Meter dash
If this is not feasible we work to
- wrestling, BJJ or a combination
And
- some system of striking. Muay Thai or boxing should suffice. Boxing is more defensive, Muay Thai is far more catered towards an offensive style of fighting.
And VERY few Australians take up combat sports, no one really knows how to fight here so if you do you’ve got an advantage. In America, HS wrestling was/is common, you’ve got quite a few adults who will be semi capable grapplers; there is no such paradigm over here.
BJJ is slowly gaining popularity, but to my knowledge the percentage of adults who participate in any form of combat sport is at or below 1%. To which I’d argue a large portion of that 1% don’t train regularly. I believe in America the figure for adults is around 5%.
This is simply factually not true. Kyle legally possessed the firearm that he carried. That is why the firearm charge against him was dropped. Basically, Wisconsin law allows minors to carry rifles (but not handguns or short barreled rifles). Or are you saying that in Australia Kyle would not be allowed to carry a rifle and therefore would be charged? I suppose that is true, but seems highly tangential.
There is also some question as to whether Grosskreutz was legally allowed to carry the firearm that he was carrying due to his criminal record, but I believe that is speculation.
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It really depends upon who is attacking whom. If its an 85 year old pensioner, and some
murderous louts are breaking into his house at 3am. I very much doubt he’s going to get into much trouble, for drilling them. The written law might suggest he’s in for gaol time, but the reality is whatever the authorities of the day want.
Only a few years ago a guy renting a room to a women, had an argument. She called her bikie boyfriend around who beat the shit out of the homeowner. The homeowner got away and grabbed an unregistered lever action rifle from under his bed and shot the bikie. Bikie was wounded, fight over and the police turned up.
All three were arrested. Its hard to tell from the news reports what actually happened to the homeowner. I tried to follow up the news reports.I don’t think he faced court for any attempted murder charges, nor can I find any convictions for unlicensed, unregistered and improperly stored firearms and ammunition???
When an alleged member of an organised crime gang is involved the normal rules don’t always seem to apply.
Then you have another situation, in Alice Springs. Man hears his neighbor getting attacked at night. He goes over to assist, and takes his WW2 surplus Mosin Nagant (unloaded) with him, the attacker has gone, he waits until the police arrive. The police deal with the immediate issue of the stabbed neighbor, then proceed to charge the good Samaritan with firearms offences, take his gun and licence off him. WTF!!!
He had to go through an expensive court case, in the hope someone sees sense.
Currently the judge/magistrate is considering the issue and will rule later this month or early next month.
It should never have gone to court, but some of these authorities love putting the boot into any firearm owners if an opportunity presents itself.
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In AuStRaLiA (I was talking about Aus) it doesn’t matter. You simply cannot possess a firearm like that in public unless you are special forces, millitary etc.
What about public cases wherein say… You’ve got a knife on you, but you aren’t allowed to possess that knife because possession of blades in public without context is (typically) illegal
You get mugged and stab the guy. To my knowledge, you’re in deep shit.
I imagine you would get charged, and have to face court. At least you would be alive, and sometimes a jury will see commonsense, if you were actually mugged.
The amount of people who get charged for legitimate SD in Australia is ridiculous. Never used to be this way.
See @NickViar
I’ve used @Beyond_Beyond as a WEAPON to back up my statement
Lock me up and throw away the key!!!
Weapons aren’t allowed in Aus, you can theoretically get in trouble for carrying a tactical pen over here…
The question is, with what would you be charged? Would you be charged for possession of the weapon, or would possession of the weapon turn you into the mugger?
I’ve never doubted that you may open yourself up to charges for possessing the weapon…my doubt comes from the fact I’ve been reading your posts to indicate that you believe possession of a weapon would invalidate everything else relevant and turn the possessor into the aggressor and instigator of the incident.
Correct me if I’m wrong @Beyond_Beyond
But in some instances… Yes, you will be charged as being the aggressor AND the initial attacker will also be charged similarly if said attacker isn’t dead.
Because you’ve used a weapon you weren’t supposed to have. A valid “get around” is to use principles a discipline like Krav Maga might reach you.
Use the environment. In a bad part of the city you might have rocks, glass bottles, syringes, rusted pieces of metal at your disposal.
Still… If you’re up against a guy with a knife chances are you’ll get cut or worse… Killed. Thankfully most of Aus is safe… Unless you’re cornered by a gang of kids, a problem our government refuses to adknowlefge. Then you’re going to cop a beating… But at least you probably aren’t going to get shot or stabbed.
I know a few who have been held at knifepoint, but the attacker typically won’t have the balls to actually use that knife due to the legal ramifications associated with doing so. In one instance, the attacker was identified and sentenced (to juvie I believe) for pulling a knife and then assaulting (with fists) someone in my class back when I was in HS
If weapon laws are as bad over there as you say and you are not opposed to possession of weapons and the right to defend oneself, I’m stunned that you support any restrictions on weapons. The absurdity of laws over there should show you that just because slippery slope reasoning is fallacious, that doesn’t mean slippery slope policies and laws don’t exist.
It hasn’t affected me personally, hence while it bothers the hell out of me it doesn’t keep me up at night.
Around 10 months back I had a few close calls with degenerates starting with me for no reason and that convicted me to take up combat sports again (trained for around 5 years from around 9-14).
If I can’t carry any form of weapon yet I’m going to have close calls with people trying to rob me or beat me up for no reason it’s probably important that I know how to defend myself if I absolutely have to.
However as it turns out… I really enjoy combat sports, even moreso than weightlifting… So I shifted to striking and grappling as my main form of exercise and I supplement that with weight training.
Grappling has a steeper learning curve… Probably because I went into it with zero experience, whereas as a kid I trained karate for years + a bit of boxing. However I’ve noted karate has little/no carryover to Muay Thai or western boxing.
It’ll teach you how to hit hard, but unless you’re very good it doesn’t appear optimal for street defence (depends on the type of karate). Freestyle wrestling imo seems as if it would be very effective, as does Muay Thai and BJJ provided you can execute submissions, takedowns and break grips effectively. For Muay Thai getting low kicked or elbowed across the face hard enough should serve as an adequate deterrent for most. I don’t think (most people) are prepared to get hit THAT hard.
I copped a very, very hard low kick last week and I’m still limping when I walk. That’s ONE kick provided it lands properly. Granted at the time it didn’t phase me that much as I was in the ring, adrenaline pumping and whatnot.
Western boxing is good, but it’s given me some bad habits. Whenever someone throws a hook to my face (if sparring), I instinctively execute a quick Bob and weave and/or I lean back. Leaning back is fine, but if you Bob and the person knows how to knee or kick you could end up getting kicked in the face… This happened to me the other day. Boxing is great against an untrained opponent/another boxer, but if we talk boxer vs kickboxer or boxer vs experienced grappler my money is on the grappler/kickboxer as knocking someone out with a well placed punch or kick is much harder than most think it is. I’ve never gotten knocked down from one hit and I’ve been hit fairly hard by guys much bigger/taller than I am.
If a 6 foot +, 200lb + guy can’t knock a smaller guy out like down with one punch, it’s clearly quite hard to successfully execute a knockout/knockdown with one hit.
I wanted to do judo, but it’s very hard to find where I live. I’m actually going to the NL for a few weeks soon to train in Dutch kickboxing. I assume it’s similar to Muay Thai but without stand up grappling or elbows.
I can’t think of any relevant cases offhand, but it has the ring of truth around the dumb kind of shit that happens these days in Australia.
If the police/prosecution have a hard on for a person involved in one of these cases they will try to get them on any potential pretext. If they want to make an example to the wider community they will find an excuse.
I am not grappling, but I have dutch kick boxing and boxing training on my belt. I think boxing is way more sufficient for self defence, due to the fact how well tough stance and hand positioning is tought and how much more accurate punches become. I would definitely add low kicks and checking kicks into the arsenal. And occassional front food push or roundhouse kick to the body.
Boxing is efficient against multiple opponents as well due to the footwork and how much more mobile it is. Dutch kickboxing and MT are tought very staticly in most places. Quick and accurate jabs to the nose stop most people. You may not knock them down but you will take their will of fight. Same with powerful low kicks.
The implication being that this was a similarly grave miscarriage of justice?
I would expect that you might see a rise in “dual” purpose items such as walking sticks, utility knives, and such. Items that are ostensibly carried for one purpose but become pretty good “improvised” weapons should the need arise.
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Sir, this is just my multipurpose awl tool.
For those of you who don’t know. This is an awl, and I think it might be better than a knife in a fight.
There’s even laws against carrying multitools (like Swiss army knife or leatherman) over here.
Doesn’t sound like a place I would like to live. Everything you just described seems to empower criminals and not citizens. You are basically saying its ok for the criminal to set the “bar or threshold” of violence by either how hes assaulting you and what with. I don’t care if the criminal has a thumb tack… if he comes after me with it and I’ve got my concealed he’s getting shot.
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