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Certain states, collectively the firearm homicide rate in the US is far, far higher than all of Europe.
The US is a fairly diverse country. You can’t take the cultural paradigm within Maine and force that on Louisiana or Alabama…
How are you going to drive down the murder rate in Alabama?
There are parts of South Africa with FAR lower murder rates relative to the townships too.
Everything you say is so strange, and totally unknown and unexplainable to those of us in America. Especially online.
And I love how we need to find ways to deal with the victim’s (very effective) method of defending himself.
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He should have clearly stabbed him to death. Much more politically friendly way of self defense.
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I feel like he should have allowed himself to be killed to atone for Jacob Blake’s death.
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Should’ve used a bic pen or some other inanimate object. That’s like the only way you can get off quickly in Aus.
Joking obviously
If you don’t agree with me, that’s fine. I’ll drop the subject from here. It’s not worth arguing over
He did.
He sure didn’t get off quickly.
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He didn’t go to prison, so he got off
Aussie self defence laws are ridiculous. Here’s a scenario… Say a burglar breaks in and charges at you, you take out a kitchen knife, stab the burglar and he bleeds out.
Provided the robber wasn’t armed, you could very easily end up in jail over here.
I’m not arguing and if I came off that way I am sorry. I promise I am very much ok with differing opinions and would never think any less of someone for having different views. We all grew up different, experienced different things that molded us into how we see the world. Expecting someone to mirror your views just because Is silly.
I don’t post much in here and probably should go back to that lol
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Not quickly. And not without having his life screwed up for political reasons.
You tell me this, but I can’t find evidence of this online. When you bring up Australian law, I’m left either taking what you say as gospel or trying to find and quickly learn a little about certain cases.
I’ll link tomorrow. It’s based around the precipice of what constitutes acceptable vs excessive force
The law (on paper) more/less states you can defend yourself with a reasonable/equitable degree of force relative to your attacker
So if he has a baseball bat, you can use a baseball bat. If he’s using his fists, you can use your fists etc.
There have been a few cases wherein physical altercations have resulted in one party stabbing the other to get away, the person who did the stabbing ends up jailed etc.
So as one of the prosecutors in the Rittenhouse case said, sometimes you just have to take a beating, even if it’s by a burglar in your own home. Lovely.
I know the US isn’t perfect, and I know Western Europe and Australia have many things going for them. But I have to think we got this one right.
No doubt Australia’s laws on self defence are woefully inadequate.
I’m not a fan of Australia…
Again, I’m not Australian, but that’s not what reasonable force means.
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In Australia you need to have reasonable grounds to act on self defence. Force needs to be “proportional and in context relative to the threat at hand.” I use quotes because the way this is interpreted over here is insane…
If an unarmed individual provokes you and in response you stab/shoot him and he dies you’re probably getting a homicide/manslaughter charge.
We also need to factor in the possession of just about any weapon in public (even say… A leatherman) is illegal if you don’t have a valid excuse to do so.
Hence if you’re in public and someone pulls a knife on you… You take out a knife and stab the guy
You’re in shit… Why? Because you were in possession of a weapon and you’ve stabbed someone.
It’s ridiculous, but that’s the way it is over here. For a home invasion, excessive force will still result in a charge. If the guy tries to punch you and as a result you stab him seventeen times, you’ll be charged.
If he tries to flee and you shoot him in the chest… Once again, charged. If a burglar attacks you and you shoot him… If the burglar himself was armed it’s 50/50, could go either way.
“How did you manage to get your firearm/ammunition out of two separate safes bolted to the wall, load up your gun and shoot the guy?”.
Firearm storage requirements are very stringent over here relative to what they were like twenty or thirty years ago wherein self defence was a reasonable means for acquittal and long arms were for the most part obtainable without a permit.
In Aus the best form of self defence is either running away or knowing how to grapple/strike efficiently.
To note, I’m not a fan of Australia. There’s a reason I’m taking a very prolonged hiatus in a week or two… Aus has absolutely lost its mind…
A scenario where you could get off? Home invasion… Guy has a knife/bat/hammer and lunges at you. In response you stab him and he bleeds out. In this context there was reasonable belief your life was in danger. This only works in the home or perhaps at work though, as public possession of a knife/hammer/bat etc for the purpose of self defence = illegal.
I sometimes use a box cutter at work, so if a scenario like this was to unfold at work and I sliced an attacker open with a box cutter, possession of the bladed object can be legally justified.
If the same scenario were to unfold in the city at night, the outcome would differ.
I do believe in reasonable force… But the laws are insane. I recall one guy having his gun license revoked for shooting a burglar in the leg (something akin to this).
The homicide rate was 11.7 per million population - ONS UK
6.6 per 100k for Texas.
Both for 2020, so Texas has about 6 times the murder rate of UK.
We have that too
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Same here.
Same here.
Very possible here, depending upon the provocation and reasonableness of your actions.
I’ve added a disclaimer to some of my posts to cover this; however, I doubt possession of the weapon would necessarily jump you to one of the homicide charges-probably an unlawful possession of such charge at most.
Edit: I believe you’ve mentioned that you’re autistic or “on the spectrum”(I’m not 100% sure what that means), so I think it’s possible that “reasonableness” standards are difficult for you to understand. This is not meant to be offensive, but only to illustrate why you may believe actions judged by reasonableness standards are pretty much blanketly prohibited.
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