Hollywood is full of idiots that play make believe for a living.
Don’t be surprised when they make jackasses out of themselves.
[quote]PredatorOC wrote:
Michael Richards seems like an asshole in that clip, but I will never understand why certain words have become taboos.[/quote]
It’s not the words, it’s the underlying attitude they convey.
There’s was no humor in Richards’ tirade; it was simply scornful, hateful crap. What’s understood from his choice of words, though, is that he thinks their behavior is related to their skin color. He wouldn’t have said the same things had the heckler’s been white.
Reminding them that some years ago, they’d been beaten for not showing respect for a white man suggests that Richards misses the “good old years.”
Him being an asshole would be perfectly excusable. Being a hateful racist fuck, as far as I’m concerned, is not.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
hockechamp14 wrote:
Do black people really get so worked up about people using “nigger?” The thing I don’t understand still is they use it at each other daily, but when someone white usues it it’s “uncalled for”
Yeah, his stand up sucked anyways.
- Who is “they”? Does this include all black people or just “those” black people?
It includes all Blacks that use Racial slurs to addess each other …If the word NIGGER was really such a word that brought up such deep routed thoughts of opression then no Black would use it adress another Black in a friendly hey what’s up manner…This proves the word has little deep routed meaning to YOUNG BLACKS …
- There is a huge difference between “my nigga” and “get out of my neighborhood, you nigger”. If you don’t know the difference, it is because you don’t want to understand the difference.
No and it is no different than when Blacks say …Cracker …Or honkey when describing a light skinned person …But you don’t see whites running around calling each other racial slurs ,as a form of greeting …NOW DO YOU !
- There are probably more black people who would make an effort to not use and publically decrease the usage of the word in casual conversation than there are those who actually use it.
Publicly decrease it’s use …so what they just call each other NIGGER in the privacy of their own homes ? …Back to what I stated earlier …The word NIGGER does not hold any deep routed sense of opression for YOUNG blacks …But they do pretend it bothers them when it’s to their advantage to pre-tend it does .
- Chris Rock using the term in a JOKE as a way to describe people OF HIS OWN RACE is not the same as someone FROM ANOTHER RACE using the term as pure DEGRADATION.
So when a Black person desribes his own race as NIGGERS it’s not degrading …What logic is this? And If that’s your reasoning then Martin Lawrence …Dave Chappelle…And Chris Rock have no business using the words CRACKER ,Or HONKEY in their routine , And should not be using white stereo types in their acts ,as they are not from the white race therefore they are not telling jokes they are being racist ,And therefore by your logic it’s not a JOKE…and their routines are just RACIST BANTAR degrading the white race …Can’t argue it any other way by your logic.
- Did that really need to be explained to you? If so, why? Please give details of how your social awareness is so developmentally retarded.[/quote]
Well you really made no good points in favor your argument .
First by your own admission blacks call each other nigger as a way of greeting each other in friendship …How can this make sense when blacks claim the reason the word niggger bothers them is due to the deep rooted opression,and racism attached to the word …So blacks use it to greet each other out of friendship when it sparks such deep negative feeling of racism amd opression ???
I think it’s more like todays young blacks have no clue as to what real racism ,and opression is ,and the only real opression they suffer from is SELF IMPOSED …So the word nigger carries no more emotional baggage than when a white person hears a black man say CRACKER ,as young blacks have no emotional ties to the word …And just use pretending to be deeply offended by the word as means to get their own way in an argument…or when they screw up ,and need to cloud the issue with overtones of racism …
[quote]pookie wrote:
PredatorOC wrote:
Michael Richards seems like an asshole in that clip, but I will never understand why certain words have become taboos.
It’s not the words, it’s the underlying attitude they convey.
There’s was no humor in Richards’ tirade; it was simply scornful, hateful crap. What’s understood from his choice of words, though, is that he thinks their behavior is related to their skin color. He wouldn’t have said the same things had the heckler’s been white.
Reminding them that some years ago, they’d been beaten for not showing respect for a white man suggests that Richards misses the “good old years.”
Him being an asshole would be perfectly excusable. Being a hateful racist fuck, as far as I’m concerned, is not.
[/quote]
Longest post you’ve written in a while Pookie, but I find myself fully in agreement with it.
Richards’ a good bye and good riddance in my book
[quote]Professor X wrote:
simon-hecubus wrote:
malonetd wrote:
I never really got Sienfeld and only laughed at a few episodes, so I’m not really a fan anyway. I did think he was great in UHF, though.
Waitaminute, waitaminute. You “got” UHF but you didn’t get Seinfeld?! You sir, get the “WTF?!?! of the Week” award.
Richards has long been a dick. Known to explode at anyone asking for an autograph.
I never did like Seinfeld. The humor was always lame and based on some ordinary act in life that they would then blow up into a full hour show. My guess is, there will be many more who drop it from their list of “greatest shows” after this one.[/quote]
Seinfeld was only a half-hour. Nice try, though.
Wow so I just watched the clip…damn that?s the end of him! That was some uncalled for stuff, he should have just made a joke of it, I mean that was supposed to be his job.
On a side note didn’t the guy leaving kind of ruin his own point and be a hypocrite when he called Kramer a cracker? It?s kind of like “how dare you be raciest, so I’ll be raciest back!” It’s always annoyed me that people can say cracker yet any other raciest term isn’t allowed. I vote for no more double standard, cracker should be off the books as well. The guy should have called Kramer an ignorant dumbass, instead of reverting back into some tough guy act.
Just looking at a different view point as it?s pretty apparent that what Kramer did was wrong, and pretty damn stupid. I would say that he won?t be forgiven for that one.
[quote]pookie wrote:
It’s not the words, it’s the underlying attitude they convey.[/quote]
I would argue with this one. For example, the bigger scandal with Richards’ little rant seems to be that he used the word ‘nigger’ (in the video description this was even censored to ‘n-bomb’) instead of his apparent wish for a lynching. Or whatever S&M fantasy this ‘spoon up the butt’ is. So what is the point of censoring a word, but not the direct call to injure the people involved, if the word is not a taboo?
Thats the problem I see with the way western societies handle racism or any other kind of generalized hate. I use to be a fascist skinhead or whatever the proper ism would be. It made perfect sense to me at the time. It certainly wasn’t the cool thing to be, so I got called various things from ‘racist fuck’ to worse. Explaining my mindset then and how it has changed would take a few pages, but in summary I simply saw that the ideas were not valid. I guess I went from one extreme to another, since I would consider myself a libertarian today. I came to that conclusion through rational thinking and I have seen a few friends go through the same process.
Thats why I like the question in American History X. ‘Has anything you’ve done made your life better?’. It doesn’t have a goddamn thing to do with political correctness or what the great masses consider right. It starts with you understanding that maintaining a constant hate does not improve you or your life in anyway. And it ends with you understanding that we are all individuals deserving of empathy.
The current approach of ‘fucking racist!’ simply shuts out the possibility of a racist person changing his or her views. Most of the time resistance is met with resistance.
- POC
IT is in ALL of us.
Anyone typing “Man, I really couldn’t believe it, what kramer did was fucked up!” is ignoring his own dark soul, plain and simple.
The television, the radio, and the internet all feed us a steady diet of racist thoughts. Our conscious mind says “Man, that’s really messed up” when we are calm and taking those thoughts in…
But when we lose our temper, what do we have easily at our fingertips? Those very same fucked up thoughts.
I have seen numerous black men talking about “white people!” and I’ve been referred to as a “white boy” more times than I can count by black men.
I don’t see any lack of racism within any particular race.
And I don’t really care if someone tells me “I’m not racist,” I’ll still believe underneath it all that person is as racist as everyone else, but is unaware of it/won’t admit to it.
Every person in this country is racist, because “racism” is not within us…it is a force outside of us being broadcast into our lives. We are all affected by it one way or other, and being affected by it IS racist.
I think what people should be saying is not “Michael Richards is a racist asshole” and instead should be saying “Damn, I wonder if I’m going to crack some day like that too…”
NONE of us are racist, yet ALL of us, truly, are…subconsciously. It has been put there by parents, teachers, school yard friends… and more formidable than those? TV, Radio, Movies, News… You name it.
I’ve seen black men go crazy on stage about “white people this” and “white people that” and it never made the news.
[quote]Roy wrote:
Seinfeld was only a half-hour. Nice try, though.[/quote]
But it was so bad that sometimes it felt like an hour.
[quote]GERRY.P.SHARMAN wrote:
And It would be nice if the Black generation ages 15-35 would stop capitalizing on hardships they never experienced themselves to justify their way of life .
[/quote]
How about, when you grow up to be a 15-35 year old Black man/woman, then you describe to us what you did or didn’t experience, ok?
[quote]wires wrote:
IT is in ALL of us.
Anyone typing “Man, I really couldn’t believe it, what kramer did was fucked up!” is ignoring his own dark soul, plain and simple.
The television, the radio, and the internet all feed us a steady diet of racist thoughts. Our conscious mind says “Man, that’s really messed up” when we are calm and taking those thoughts in…
But when we lose our temper, what do we have easily at our fingertips? Those very same fucked up thoughts.
I have seen numerous black men talking about “white people!” and I’ve been referred to as a “white boy” more times than I can count by black men.
I don’t see any lack of racism within any particular race.
And I don’t really care if someone tells me “I’m not racist,” I’ll still believe underneath it all that person is as racist as everyone else, but is unaware of it/won’t admit to it.
Every person in this country is racist, because “racism” is not within us…it is a force outside of us being broadcast into our lives. We are all affected by it one way or other, and being affected by it IS racist.
I think what people should be saying is not “Michael Richards is a racist asshole” and instead should be saying “Damn, I wonder if I’m going to crack some day like that too…”
NONE of us are racist, yet ALL of us, truly, are…subconsciously. It has been put there by parents, teachers, school yard friends… and more formidable than those? TV, Radio, Movies, News… You name it.
I’ve seen black men go crazy on stage about “white people this” and “white people that” and it never made the news.[/quote]
Are you freakin’ serious?
I think he is just another member of the Hollywood and main stream media elite showing their true nature: Hate. Hate for everyone and everything. All races and both genders make up this group and right now they have the microphone and the attention of the camera. We need a change. Other notable assholes:
Susan Sontag, the famous Jewish essayist, novelist, intellectual, filmmaker and activist who said:
“Mozart, Pascal, Boolean algebra, Shakespeare, parliamentary government, baroque churches, Newton, the emancipation of women, Kant, Balanchine ballets, et al. don’t redeem what this particular civilization has wrought upon the world. The white race is the cancer of human history.” (Partisan Review, Winter 1967, p. 57.) ([2]) Sontag later offered an ironic apology for the remark, saying it was insensitive to cancer victims.
Ice Cube who said:
ICE CUBE LYRICS
“Cave Bitch”
[Intro: Dr. Khalid Muhammed]
Give me a black goddess sister I can’t resist her. No stringy haired, blonde
hair, blue eyed, pale skinned buttermilk complexion. Grafted, recessive,
depressive, ironing board backside straight up and straight down. No
frills, no thrills, Miss six o’clock, subject to have the itch, mutanoid,
caucazoid, white cave bitch…
[Verse One: Ice Cube]
Ease back white bitch, I don’t play that
Just because I got on my L.A. hat
Stalkin’ walking in my big black boots
Is my jingle, now you want Mandingo
Big, black and handsome
I should hold your devil ass for ransome
Sorta like Patty Herst, but I’ll burst first bitch
And you know what’s worse
I’m coming from the land where the choppers roam
So phuck you bitch and your Coppertone
Stringy hair - no derrier - frontin’ and fakin’ with your silicone pair
Do I wanna phuck? Not hardly
That’s kinda like Barbie phuckin’ Bob Marley
It ain’t gonna happen, I keep rappin’
Muthaphuck Teniell, but see I’m the Captain of this ship
And I’m true to the game
Ya all look the same
Standin’ by my backstage door, hopin’ that’ll switch
Spread out you little cave bitch
[Verse Two: Ice Cube]
Why everytime we get famous
You wanna play us like Andy and Amos?
The devil sent you to try and tame us
But you can’t tame me, with no bitch named Amy
Lookin’ for the dark meat
But ho, I ain’t tryin’ to go out like Barkely
Cuz everytime I turn on the TV
I see several brothers with she-devils
Smilin’ cuz you out on a date
But sooner or later, the bitch’ll yell rape
Soon as daddy found out you a jigaboo
He’ll kill like he did Emmitt Till
Yah, he tried to kick bass
But the bitch probably threw it in his face
Sargent Bale ain’t nothin’ but a trick
Nasty as hell, stanky little cave bitch
[Verse Three:]
Now don’t think that I hate you
Cuz I won’t date you, bitch I gotta stay true
You can be a fan, but don’t expand
And try to get my dick in your hand
You better run to the minute man
Pale as snow, so act like y’know
Cuz if I slap it, flip it, and rub it like that
Yeah, it gotta be black
Plus yo ass too flat
I need a butt big enough that can clap
Rat-a-tat-tat
You can’t get mine ho
I’d rather phuck an albino
Atleast I know, she’s comin’ from the Nubian
And not the Ku Klux Klan that you be in
And I don’t give a fuck if your family is rich
You’re still a little cave bitch
Ice Cube is applauded for that shit. Why? Because it was hate filled. The powers that be love hate. See happy people dont buy stuff.
Now here comes Richards with his shit. Their all assholes. Tune them out.
You want someone sane and interesting to listen to? Check out Larry Elder. He is one of my favorite radio personalities.
By the way, Bill Hicks sure was nasty to that woman. How hate filled was that? Then in another clip he tries to make Rush Limbaugh look ‘satan’. Those crazy far left types.
[quote]harris447 wrote:
Can he be forgiven? Was what he did worse that Mel Gibson? Not as bad?[/quote]
He won’t be forgiven, and it’s absolutely abysmal that one man goes on a racial tirade and becomes a pariah and the other goes on a racial tirade while engaged in an act that is illegal per se and the two are even “comparable”.
[quote]PredatorOC wrote:
I would argue with this one. For example, the bigger scandal with Richards’ little rant seems to be that he used the word ‘nigger’ (in the video description this was even censored to ‘n-bomb’) instead of his apparent wish for a lynching. Or whatever S&M fantasy this ‘spoon up the butt’ is. So what is the point of censoring a word, but not the direct call to injure the people involved, if the word is not a taboo?[/quote]
Richards could have avoided the term entirely, and I’d still find his behavior offensive.
The word “nigger” is taboo simply because it condenses the whole attitude down to one word. When a non-black calls a black a “nigger” in a hateful tone, there’s very little wiggle room to interpret what’s meant by it.
[quote]Thats the problem I see with the way western societies handle racism or any other kind of generalized hate. I use to be a fascist skinhead or whatever the proper ism would be. It made perfect sense to me at the time. It certainly wasn’t the cool thing to be, so I got called various things from ‘racist fuck’ to worse. Explaining my mindset then and how it has changed would take a few pages, but in summary I simply saw that the ideas were not valid. I guess I went from one extreme to another, since I would consider myself a libertarian today. I came to that conclusion through rational thinking and I have seen a few friends go through the same process.
Thats why I like the question in American History X. ‘Has anything you’ve done made your life better?’. It doesn’t have a goddamn thing to do with political correctness or what the great masses consider right. It starts with you understanding that maintaining a constant hate does not improve you or your life in anyway. And it ends with you understanding that we are all individuals deserving of empathy.
The current approach of ‘fucking racist!’ simply shuts out the possibility of a racist person changing his or her views. Most of the time resistance is met with resistance.
- POC[/quote]
I don’t think so. If a racist gets censored or ostracized enough, he might eventually be forced to re-evaluate his views.
Even if we could sit down with Richards and have a long talk, chances are we couldn’t change his opinion of blacks. Only he could do that, and it needs to come from within.
Pragmatically, the only way I can truly voice my disagreement with his views is to boycott any movie, TV show, book, stand-up routine, etc. in which he is involved. If he ever manages to convince me that his views have changed, I’ll reevaluate.
Not that he’s done much that’s been noteworthy since Seinfeld…
[quote]Roy wrote:
Professor X wrote:
simon-hecubus wrote:
malonetd wrote:
I never really got Sienfeld and only laughed at a few episodes, so I’m not really a fan anyway. I did think he was great in UHF, though.
Waitaminute, waitaminute. You “got” UHF but you didn’t get Seinfeld?! You sir, get the “WTF?!?! of the Week” award.
Richards has long been a dick. Known to explode at anyone asking for an autograph.
I never did like Seinfeld. The humor was always lame and based on some ordinary act in life that they would then blow up into a full hour show. My guess is, there will be many more who drop it from their list of “greatest shows” after this one.
Seinfeld was only a half-hour. Nice try, though.[/quote]
It certainly seemed like an hour listening to Seinfeld’s whiny annoying voice. In my opinion they were all quite annoying except Kramer.
[quote]wires wrote:
I’ve seen black men go crazy on stage about “white people this” and “white people that” and it never made the news.[/quote]
Because those rants are considered funny, and becuase white people sit there and laugh right along with it.
What Richards did on stage was go for the jugular and attemtp to verbally destroy the heckler. He flipped the fuck out, lost his cool, if you will.
Had the heckler been fat, had it been a woman, had it been some-one of arabic decent he would have dug into that rather than drop “n” bombs all over the place, I believe. Thinking back, I don’t beleive he’s as racist as he is just purely full of rage and doesn’t know how to handle it. You just don’t unleash that kind of hate without major anger management issues. Dude tried to start a fight with Andy Kaufman on live TV once back in the 80’s, so the whole rage thing is at least decades old. By no means, though, does it in any way defend his actions on stage the other night. Dude should hang it up and open up a coffe shop in Idaho and just go the fuck away.
As for the “N” word debate, I’m white, thus I don’t rate saying it, so that’s that. I relate it to me allowing my little brother to call me dipshit as a greeting or in conversation, but let me hear someone else call me a dipshit off the street and we have problems… Only multiply that feeling times infinity and infuse 100’s of years of oppression, sufferage through slavery and unwilling removal from your homeland and compact it into one single word. It can’t be compared to any other situation or cross examined by any other scenario because they are the only race that had to endure generations of oppression strictly due to the color of their skin. So leave the “N” word alone.
B.
[quote]malonetd wrote:
GERRY.P.SHARMAN wrote:
And It would be nice if the Black generation ages 15-35 would stop capitalizing on hardships they never experienced themselves to justify their way of life .
How about, when you grow up to be a 15-35 year old Black man/woman, then you describe to us what you did or didn’t experience, ok?[/quote]
Oh please …quit with the make beleive drama…it’s 2006 ,and the only real thing holding the poor black man back is the poor black man…Not whitey…not racism…not Asians…The blacks that sit around blaming whites ,And society for their have nots are the blacks that are just like the whites that do the same…they are lazy ,And have no ambition or work ethic . Can’t get ahead in life sitting around playing X-box waiting for the 1st …and 15th to roll around drunk off malt liqour ,and expect to be much of anything …
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I am often amazed at the disconnection many “non-blacks” seem to have towards issues involving race in this country. I can only imagine this exists because the experience of any racist views expressed towards non-whites is such a rare occurrence that the issue itself seems completely alien.
[/quote]
You’re completely correct about this…and this is why most white people will never totally understand. I think its nearly impossible to get to real understanding, without the actual experience. Exprience thats gained through cultural understanding and as outsiders, serious study. And honestly, come on, you really don’t see alot of seriously mean spirited, hateful racial remarks towards white people. Most of them are just silly. But turn it around and they fill up on all those characteristics quite quickly.
[quote]GERRY.P.SHARMAN wrote:
it’s 2006 ,and the only real thing holding the poor black man back is the poor black man…Not whitey…not racism[/quote]
Having been involved in the interview and hiring process at a couple of private companies, I feel I must inform you that racism and discrimination are, unfortunately, alive and well in 2006. I’ve seen executives go out of their way to find faults with non-white applicants, while simultaneously praising near-incompetence in more favorably skin-toned individuals.
The only make believe drama around here is pretending like racism has been dealt with and is a problem of the past.
[quote]GERRY.P.SHARMAN wrote:
malonetd wrote:
GERRY.P.SHARMAN wrote:
And It would be nice if the Black generation ages 15-35 would stop capitalizing on hardships they never experienced themselves to justify their way of life .
How about, when you grow up to be a 15-35 year old Black man/woman, then you describe to us what you did or didn’t experience, ok?
Oh please …quit with the make beleive drama…it’s 2006 ,and the only real thing holding the poor black man back is the poor black man…Not whitey…not racism…not Asians…The blacks that sit around blaming whites ,And society for their have nots are the blacks that are just like the whites that do the same…they are lazy ,And have no ambition or work ethic . Can’t get ahead in life sitting around playing X-box waiting for the 1st …and 15th to roll around drunk off malt liqour ,and expect to be much of anything …[/quote]
Thank you for writing this.
We now know that you may be ignored wholesale as your pustulent prattling has made all of our lives a bit worse and sadder.
We all now need showers, you disgusting maggot.