[quote]Loose Tool wrote:
But it’s easier to disarm someone with a gun, cause a gun to malfunction, or avoid the business end of a gun at 0 to 5 feet.
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maybe. one of the drills we did for combatives was everyone faced the wall and closed their eyes, and the instructors put a stun gun in one of our pockets. we then paired up, not knowing who had it. the drill was to teach situational awareness and intensity. but successfully being able to deploy a taser against an opponent while grappling, i feel confidant i could press my pistol to you and squeeze the trigger.
with all the adrenaline pumping and the intenstiy of fighting for my life, i think i could manage to fight through a stab or two, i doubt i could withstand a few .45 rounds fired point blank into my body.
that being said, it is NOT going to be easier to avoid the ‘business end’ of my weapon at 0-5 feet. if anything, it makes it easier to press it against your temple and get a guarenteed headshot. or anywhere on your body for that matter.
[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:
that being said, it is NOT going to be easier to avoid the ‘business end’ of my weapon at 0-5 feet. if anything, it makes it easier to press it against your temple and get a guarenteed headshot. or anywhere on your body for that matter. [/quote]
Ever been in combat homey?
[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:
you guys keeps using this senario, but it’s rediculous. it’s not like you’re walking down the street and BOOM, some dude charges you wielding a knife.
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How the hell would you know? Sometimes it could be like BOOM some guy is charging you with a knife. Sometimes it will be STICK and you’re bleeding before you knew he had the knife.
What if he doesn’t threaten you? What if he walks up and asks for a lighter or some change or if you know directions somewhere? That’s called “the interview.”
He could close the gap before you even realize that there’s a situation requiring space.
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granted, if you DO find youself being blindsided by a guy with a knife, well it doesnt’ really matter what you chose as a sidearm at the point, does it? you’re going to get cut either way.[/quote]
Yea you are. The concern is getting away from it or killing the person doing the cutting. The last is alot easier to talk about than it is to do.
I’ve said it before- you are very close minded and think very highly of yourself. Don’t think that you’re impossible to outsmart. There’s always someone bigger, stronger, faster, and more deceivingly cunning than you can imagine in this world. Whether you come across them or not is the issue.
[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:
Loose Tool wrote:
But it’s easier to disarm someone with a gun, cause a gun to malfunction, or avoid the business end of a gun at 0 to 5 feet.
maybe. one of the drills we did for combatives was everyone faced the wall and closed their eyes, and the instructors put a stun gun in one of our pockets. we then paired up, not knowing who had it. the drill was to teach situational awareness and intensity. but successfully being able to deploy a taser against an opponent while grappling, i feel confidant i could press my pistol to you and squeeze the trigger.
with all the adrenaline pumping and the intenstiy of fighting for my life, i think i could manage to fight through a stab or two, i doubt i could withstand a few .45 rounds fired point blank into my body.
that being said, it is NOT going to be easier to avoid the ‘business end’ of my weapon at 0-5 feet. if anything, it makes it easier to press it against your temple and get a guarenteed headshot. or anywhere on your body for that matter. [/quote]
Exactly, you can stab a bastard a couple times but he will still have some fight in him. Fire a couple rounds into him, and he’ll be singing a different tune. Guns will always settle any dispute IME. I remember a time my buddy Rick got drunk and stupid pissed off a Guido MMA wannabe Billy BadAss wearing Tapout everything by bumping into him accidently and spilling the d-bag’s Cosmo. So he called him out and they took it outside and the cocksucker started shadow boxing to impress the ladies and the crowd. I just went out to the Panda and got my Remi, loaded it, and shot up a trash can.
Everybody was looking around for the dude with the boom stick. I walked to the scene and tossed it to Ricky. Mr. MMA got all limpdick asking for forgiveness. Ricky barely standing just smiled and said, “BOOM SHAKALAKA MOTHERFUCKER!” I had to disarm the drunk before he started aiming the damn thing. The crowd dispersed and the bouncers were making their way towards us. I threw Ricky in the bed of the truck, tore off my front plate, and let 800lb/ft of torque break loose. Good times.
And again Holy, I’m not trying to beat up on you. You sound like a stand up guy. But I am not. Most of my friends aren’t. There is an essential difference in how we look at violence because of this.
[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:
Loose Tool wrote:
But it’s easier to disarm someone with a gun, cause a gun to malfunction, or avoid the business end of a gun at 0 to 5 feet.
maybe. one of the drills we did for combatives was everyone faced the wall and closed their eyes, and the instructors put a stun gun in one of our pockets. we then paired up, not knowing who had it. the drill was to teach situational awareness and intensity. but successfully being able to deploy a taser against an opponent while grappling, i feel confidant i could press my pistol to you and squeeze the trigger.
with all the adrenaline pumping and the intenstiy of fighting for my life, i think i could manage to fight through a stab or two, i doubt i could withstand a few .45 rounds fired point blank into my body.
that being said, it is NOT going to be easier to avoid the ‘business end’ of my weapon at 0-5 feet. if anything, it makes it easier to press it against your temple and get a guarenteed headshot. or anywhere on your body for that matter. [/quote]
Press it against my gut and pull the trigger, and more frequently than you would expect, you would not get a “BANG”. Why? Your gun is out of battery. If you are putting your 45 against someone’s temple do you really expect them to sit still?
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
HolyMacaroni wrote:
that being said, it is NOT going to be easier to avoid the ‘business end’ of my weapon at 0-5 feet. if anything, it makes it easier to press it against your temple and get a guarenteed headshot. or anywhere on your body for that matter.
Ever been in combat homey?[/quote]
Nope.
but i am absolutly open to rolling around with someone with my pistol unloaded in my holster. i’d like to see someone ‘disarm it, cause it to malfunction, or avoid it’ before i could put it up agasint them and squeeze the trigger.
[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
HolyMacaroni wrote:
that being said, it is NOT going to be easier to avoid the ‘business end’ of my weapon at 0-5 feet. if anything, it makes it easier to press it against your temple and get a guarenteed headshot. or anywhere on your body for that matter.
Ever been in combat homey?
Nope.
but i am absolutly open to rolling around with someone with my pistol unloaded in my holster. i’d like to see someone ‘disarm it, cause it to malfunction, or avoid it’ before i could put it up agasint them and squeeze the trigger.[/quote]
As long as we are shirtless in a kiddie pool full of Crisco.
[quote]Loose Tool wrote:
Press it against my gut and pull the trigger, and more frequently than you would expect, you would not get a “BANG”. Why? Your gun is out of battery. If you are putting your 45 against someone’s temple do you really expect them to sit still?[/quote]
huh? i was just illustrating the point that if i can pull out a stun gun from a pocket and effectivly use it against and opponent, i feel i would be able to do the same with a firearm.
not that i carry a stun gun with me.
of course i don’t expect you to sit still, but when you’re right up on me you’ve got a lot less room to move when i start putting out rounds
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
And again Holy, I’m not trying to beat up on you. You sound like a stand up guy. But I am not. Most of my friends aren’t. There is an essential difference in how we look at violence because of this.[/quote]
it’s kosher man. always glad to have you around to keep me grounded, lol.
it would be extremly tedious to bring up every situation though, as i assume we could go back and forth.
what about it though? would you rather have to defend against a gun or a knife?
[quote]Growing_Boy wrote:
As long as we are shirtless in a kiddie pool full of Crisco. [/quote]
pictures of private parts (all of them) are required first.
as for your story, if i was working and heard a shotgun go off outside, you bet your sweet weightlifting ass i’m dipping inside, locking the door, and calling the cops. FUCK ‘walking over’ to see what’s going on. lol
[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:
what about it though? would you rather have to defend against a gun or a knife?[/quote]
Although I agree that we could go back and forth with every situation, the situation I’m in is going to tell me what to do, so I can’t answer the question in a straightforward way.
If I’m getting mugged in the street, I’ll take a knife. Way easier to run away from, and on top of that it’s psychologically more difficult to kill with a knife… meaning that I’m not going to throw my wallet and have him shoot me anyway because it’s easy to do.
If it’s a situation where I’m with a girlfriend, etc. and I am threatened but there’s a way out, again I’ll take the knife. In the best case scenario we can both get away, in the worst case scenario the knife can only be used against one person at a time (and that would be me, lettin her get away.)
Honestly, if it was someone that I had to engage in hand to hand and had absolutely no other option, I lean about 51-49 on the person having a gun. I have more faith in being able to get away from a half inch hole where the dangerous zone is directly in front of it in a straight line then having to deal with wrestling with a weapon that I can’t even touch without it possibly causing a serious wound that could cause you to go into shock.
However, keep in mind that I’ve rarely dealt with guns, and only one guy I know has actually had one pulled on him. So I don’t know how the adrenaline dump would affect me in that situation, and I don’t know that I would be able to fight against both or either.
That’s the short answer.
The easy answer is it depends on the situation, what I have at my disposal, whether he got the drop on me, etc. So many variables that it’s hard for me to speculate.
I’d just use a knifegun. - YouTube take that douchebutts.
[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:
Growing_Boy wrote:
As long as we are shirtless in a kiddie pool full of Crisco.
pictures of private parts (all of them) are required first.
as for your story, if i was working and heard a shotgun go off outside, you bet your sweet weightlifting ass i’m dipping inside, locking the door, and calling the cops. FUCK ‘walking over’ to see what’s going on. lol[/quote]
Yeah, we were at a Shell filling up when we saw a fleet of cop cars flying over to the bar. Looked like they called the cops after we had taken off. They didn’t get a look at my truck but they sure heard the damn thing.
I would just run away because I’m a pussy. I don’t want to get stabbed!!!
[quote]sjoconn wrote:
A CQB scenario
HolyMacaroni wrote:
good point. although i fire rifle/shotgun with my right hand and pistol with my left to avoid having to deal with a situation like that. (hey you can see in my profile pic! yay) (i also decided to be born right eye dominant and left handed, so that helps as well, lol). but yeah, that’s a great concept if you have both primary and secondary weapons on one side.
sjoconn wrote:
A knife can also be used if you are trying to retain your pistol. The strong hand pushing the pistol into the holster while the weak hand gets the knife.
Again…you will need to spend plenty of time training to be half ass decent with either pistol or knife.
HolyMacaroni wrote:
ok, this is a lot more applicable IMO to the OP’s question. however if you are pushing in your pistol to prevent it being taken away, do you feel you’d be in control enough in order to manipulate another weapon in your weak hand?
personally, if it came to that, i’d be finger poking and goin kneeing and all that jazz, and don’t think i’d want to waste the time putting my hand into my pocket to get my knife when i could just jack him in the face instead.
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You are a lucky one to be able to switch strong and weak hands for shooting. Not many can and still perform well.
When I am carrying it is for work. Sometimes concealed sometimes not. I find it is easy to through my little gerber fixed blade in my waistband or on my kit either way. It is easy to access and out of the way. I would also do the finger poke to the eye or knee to the groin, but mostly as a distracter so I could either get distance or get my knife. I also try to put in some time working knife drills so that I have the muscle memory to work through the problem.
I didnt see a scenario in the OPs statement so just went with a scenario where both would make sense. But upon further reading (possibly reading to much into) the OPs statement he also doesnt state whether he is using the weapons to defend himself or if he is defending against said weapons.
[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:
good point. although i fire rifle/shotgun…
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Just wanted to take this opportunity to note that the shotgun is a breeching tool not a CQB weapon
[quote]sjoconn wrote:
Just wanted to take this opportunity to note that the shotgun is a breeching tool not a CQB weapon[/quote]
but but…
dammit sjoconn
[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:
sjoconn wrote:
Just wanted to take this opportunity to note that the shotgun is a breeching tool not a CQB weapon
but but…
dammit sjoconn[/quote]
Now that thurr is one purty weapon.
