Situation specific. I actually carry both…cough…I actually like my Emerson Commander. It gets the job done quite nicely. But for the sake of killing someone with weapon brandished I would choose a gun. A stab might leave a deadly wound but wont immobilize a belligerent target. I don’t give a fuck how much of a knife wielding MMA Billy Badass you are if I unload a Remi 870 into your chest, you ain’t getting up from that one
I prefer to carry a toothpick and a shitty attitude.
[quote]imhungry wrote:
I prefer to carry a toothpick and a shitty attitude.[/quote]
Are you flipping crazy??? You’d never be able to pull that toothpick in time if you were over 12.3 feet away!!!
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Neither. In a home defense situation I want an ax. If someone broke in the a house and got caught they pretty much expect to see a gun pointed at them.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:Read somewhere that if you simply run away at a 90 degree angle to the gun, there’s only a 4 percent chance of being shot. I don’t remember where I read that.
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If it’s a defensive situation, the gun’s doing its job if it’s keeping the assailant from advancing.
[quote]Dedicated wrote:
imhungry wrote:
I prefer to carry a toothpick and a shitty attitude.
Are you flipping crazy??? You’d never be able to pull that toothpick in time if you were over 12.3 feet away!!!
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I have it hidden in my mouth and I can spit it at a high velocity.
HA!!!
Knife or Gun?
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Which would you rather defend?
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If by “knife or gun” you mean “Sarah Michelle Gellar or Megan Fox”…
and by “defend” you mean “violate repeatedly in a hotel room, doing all sorts of horrible (but tingly nice) things to, but its alright cause she’s kind of up for it”…
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Which would you rather defend?
I prefer an edged weapon unless my attacker has a gun. Knifes are silent, won’t jam, don’t need to be re-loaded, and are far easier to legally possess.
Discuss?
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Some interesting discussion going on this thread. I would say it really doesnt matter. If you are going to be even semi-proficient with either one you had better put in the time to train on which ever one (or both) that you choose. I personally go with both and that way you have the added option.
[quote]sjoconn wrote:
Some interesting discussion going on this thread. I would say it really doesnt matter. If you are going to be even semi-proficient with either one you had better put in the time to train on which ever one (or both) that you choose. I personally go with both and that way you have the added option.[/quote]
the added option of what? if i’m going to take the time to draw a knife out of my pocket, why woudln’t i just draw my pistol?
[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:
sjoconn wrote:
Some interesting discussion going on this thread. I would say it really doesnt matter. If you are going to be even semi-proficient with either one you had better put in the time to train on which ever one (or both) that you choose. I personally go with both and that way you have the added option.
the added option of what? if i’m going to take the time to draw a knife out of my pocket, why woudln’t i just draw my pistol?
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When doing CQB it is possible to come in very close contact with your enemy. One thing that can happen is to have your long gun pressed against your body potentially pinning your strong arm as you are pushed back. Now with your strong arm pinned and trying to work retention you only have the off hand to work with. Most carry the side arm on the strong side or on the chest for a strong side draw. If you carry a small knife on the weak side or centered and capable of a weak side draw then you have the option of killing/disabling him so that you can gain the upper hand in the fight and put 2 in the chest and 1 in the head and move on to the next fight.
A knife can also be used if you are trying to retain your pistol. The strong hand pushing the pistol into the holster while the weak hand gets the knife.
Again…you will need to spend plenty of time training to be half ass decent with either pistol or knife.
Neither, a knife fighter catches you within 10 feet and closes the distance before you draw your bead on his ass you’re smoked. Biomechanical knife fighting with any knowledge of anatomy will result in a deadly knife wound. Gun while less elegant you take 5 rounds from my P220 it won’t matter how good a knife fighter you are, ultimately depends on the situation.
So carry a sidearm and a knife but you’re real weapon is the one attached to your shoulders, use your brain and remember the only weapon they canâ??t take from and use against you is your fists…unless of course they blow your arm off and subsequently beat you to death with them then you’re pretty much SOL anyways so mute point.
One time, my teacher in TKD had two blackbelts in the class go after each other with those big whiteboard pens (red, of course). That really showed us how terrible a weapon a knife is, even in the hands of guys who weren’t trained. Red ink was all over them.
Another good experiment would be to have one guy have a mock gun in a pocket or holster, and have another guy run at him with a red marker. We didn’t do this but I can see that the gun dude would be pretty red unless the knife guy was very far away.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Another good experiment would be to have one guy have a mock gun in a pocket or holster, and have another guy run at him with a red marker. We didn’t do this but I can see that the gun dude would be pretty red unless the knife guy was very far away.
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you guys keeps using this senario, but it’s rediculous. it’s not like you’re walking down the street and BOOM, some dude charges you wielding a knife.
if some guy starts threatening me, you can bet the first thing i’m doing if i’m ccw is putting space between us. and if he start closing the gap, you can bet my pistol is going to be drawn.
granted, if you DO find youself being blindsided by a guy with a knife, well it doesnt’ really matter what you chose as a sidearm at the point, does it? you’re going to get cut either way.
Like Eazy-E said, “with a gat it don’t matter if you’re smaller or bigger.”
[quote]sjoconn wrote:
When doing CQB it is possible to come in very close contact with your enemy. One thing that can happen is to have your long gun pressed against your body potentially pinning your strong arm as you are pushed back. Now with your strong arm pinned and trying to work retention you only have the off hand to work with. Most carry the side arm on the strong side or on the chest for a strong side draw. If you carry a small knife on the weak side or centered and capable of a weak side draw then you have the option of killing/disabling him so that you can gain the upper hand in the fight and put 2 in the chest and 1 in the head and move on to the next fight. [/quote]
good point. although i fire rifle/shotgun with my right hand and pistol with my left to avoid having to deal with a situation like that. (hey you can see in my profile pic! yay) (i also decided to be born right eye dominant and left handed, so that helps as well, lol). but yeah, that’s a great concept if you have both primary and secondary weapons on one side.
[quote]sjoconn wrote:
A knife can also be used if you are trying to retain your pistol. The strong hand pushing the pistol into the holster while the weak hand gets the knife.
Again…you will need to spend plenty of time training to be half ass decent with either pistol or knife.
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ok, this is a lot more applicable IMO to the OP’s question. however if you are pushing in your pistol to prevent it being taken away, do you feel you’d be in control enough in order to manipulate another weapon in your weak hand?
personally, if it came to that, i’d be finger poking and goin kneeing and all that jazz, and don’t think i’d want to waste the time putting my hand into my pocket to get my knife when i could just jack him in the face instead.
[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:
sjoconn wrote:
Some interesting discussion going on this thread. I would say it really doesnt matter. If you are going to be even semi-proficient with either one you had better put in the time to train on which ever one (or both) that you choose. I personally go with both and that way you have the added option.
the added option of what? if i’m going to take the time to draw a knife out of my pocket, why woudln’t i just draw my pistol?
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I’d be pretty hesitant to duke it out with Mac. We would have to take our battle to the octagon.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Which would you rather defend?
I prefer an edged weapon unless my attacker has a gun. Knifes are silent, won’t jam, don’t need to be re-loaded, and are far easier to legally possess.
Discuss?
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Gun, but a knife has it’s uses.
Be like Solid Snake, carry a stun knife and a fire arm. That’s why he’s the best, also… Nobody ever sees him!
Gun, I can defend against a blade. I can’t defend against bullets.
[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:
Loose Tool wrote:
Bad John wrote:
There’s an old joke about bringing a knife to a gun fight. Anyone who lives where they can actually carry a firearm but prefers a knife for self defense is living in lala land. There’s a reason cops carry firearms, and it isn’t because chicks dig it.
The old saying, “don’t bring a knife to a gun fight” loses validity in the zero to 5 feet range.
i’m not sure i 100% agree with this.[/quote]
I wouldn’t expect anyone would agree 100%.
But it’s easier to disarm someone with a gun, cause a gun to malfunction, or avoid the business end of a gun at 0 to 5 feet.
On the other hand, grabbing a knife, while doable, is going to be painful and not without problems; I’ve never seen a sharp knife fail to function (or run out of ammo); and knives cut on all their sharp and pointed edges. Only gross motor skills are needed for them to work. If I had no weapons, up close and personal, I would much rather defend against a gun than a knife.