Klitschko vs Fury

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[quote]TheCB wrote:

[quote]LondonBoxer123 wrote:
Please, God, if you’re up there, let us have another ‘I’m calling you out FightingIrish’ thread. I don’t know how you do it Irish, how you manage to make strangers on the internet so angry, but if there were some way to monetise it you could have a very bright and prosperous future.

I think, as Donny may have intimated, this may have been a fix. I struggle to understand otherwise how two men of that size, who seemingly legitimately don’t like each other, can spend 12 rounds in a ring together and be so utterly ineffective. There are amateurs up and down the country who would be embarrassed at putting in such an inept performance in front of a small crowd at a local show. I cannot see how an athlete of Wlad’s quality, even though he completely lacks the fighting spirit, could fail to land a single meaningful punch in all that time against someone as open and limited as Fury. It looked to me at plenty of points during the fight that Wlad was actively trying not to hurt Fury.

I’m not sure the size argument is as pervasive as many people seem to have been suggesting in the aftermath either. I have no doubt that a Dempsey, or even a Henry Cooper, would have beaten either of these boys up and down the ring and had them out of there in short order - I wouldn’t even bet against a guy like Kovalev being able to level the pair of them, for all the size disparity. Neither Fury or Wlad showed any kind of elite level skill or ring craft, nor any guile, nor indeed any warrior spirit. It is telling, to me at least, that a currently relatively limited fighter like Anthony Joshua, who I like and who has bags of potential if he can be brought on right and taught to jab effectively, could most likely level anyone in the heavyweight division - raw as he is. [/quote]

you think the fight was a fix and that wlad was “actively trying not to hurt fury.”

this is a genuine question - is your opinion supposed to be taken seriously?

in all honesty read through this thread it is truly remarkable what is being said by some of you self styled boxing experts you are utterly, utterly clueless.
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Nobody likes you here you little faggot and nobody shares your opinions, thats the ironic thing about you calling out people every time someone hurts your pussy with their negative opinions about your boy crushes.

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[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:

[quote]TheCB wrote:

[quote]LondonBoxer123 wrote:
Please, God, if you’re up there, let us have another ‘I’m calling you out FightingIrish’ thread. I don’t know how you do it Irish, how you manage to make strangers on the internet so angry, but if there were some way to monetise it you could have a very bright and prosperous future.

I think, as Donny may have intimated, this may have been a fix. I struggle to understand otherwise how two men of that size, who seemingly legitimately don’t like each other, can spend 12 rounds in a ring together and be so utterly ineffective. There are amateurs up and down the country who would be embarrassed at putting in such an inept performance in front of a small crowd at a local show. I cannot see how an athlete of Wlad’s quality, even though he completely lacks the fighting spirit, could fail to land a single meaningful punch in all that time against someone as open and limited as Fury. It looked to me at plenty of points during the fight that Wlad was actively trying not to hurt Fury.

I’m not sure the size argument is as pervasive as many people seem to have been suggesting in the aftermath either. I have no doubt that a Dempsey, or even a Henry Cooper, would have beaten either of these boys up and down the ring and had them out of there in short order - I wouldn’t even bet against a guy like Kovalev being able to level the pair of them, for all the size disparity. Neither Fury or Wlad showed any kind of elite level skill or ring craft, nor any guile, nor indeed any warrior spirit. It is telling, to me at least, that a currently relatively limited fighter like Anthony Joshua, who I like and who has bags of potential if he can be brought on right and taught to jab effectively, could most likely level anyone in the heavyweight division - raw as he is. [/quote]

you think the fight was a fix and that wlad was “actively trying not to hurt fury.”

this is a genuine question - is your opinion supposed to be taken seriously?

in all honesty read through this thread it is truly remarkable what is being said by some of you self styled boxing experts you are utterly, utterly clueless.
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Nobody likes you here you little faggot and nobody shares your opinions, thats the ironic thing about you calling out people every time someone hurts your pussy with their negative opinions about your boy crushes.[/quote]

the australian branch of the circle jerk has arrived i see.

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All those event hats lol

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Well, I sat through the whole fight last night, and thank fuck I skipped it the first time. Watching it was a chore - the most boring “championship” bout I’ve ever seen.

Fury won, so to speak, in that he controlled what could have barely been called the “pace” of the fight. His movement and flicking jab kept Wlad at a distance, and Wlad was clearly not comfortable fighting against a taller fighter with Pterodactyls arms. Even less so once he got in the hole, and had to be aggressive and land power shots.

That being said, the fight fucking sucked. I think Fury landed maybe 5 meaningful punches the whole time, and Wlad landed about 3. Klitschko is clearly a better fighter skill-wise, and showed it in like the last round or two when he connected with a few hard shots. But he’s old and he’s lost whatever thumos he once had for the fight - he looked like a guy who didn’t want to be there.

Fury definitely wanted the championship, and I’m really glad he won because I like him. But he hardly impressed - decent footwork but no clean punches landed, no real technique, just a lot of flailing and and 10-foot-longs winging about. His size makes him difficult to deal with, but his apparent lack of skill and technique is going to make him easy pickins’ should he ever fight David Haye, or a more aggressive, skillful heavyweight. The division is on life support though, and considering its relative lack of talent, Fury could hold the title for a few years.

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[quote]TheCB wrote:

[quote]LondonBoxer123 wrote:

"Willard held the championship for more than four years. Today his reign is considered the 11th longest in the heavyweight division. He lost the title to Jack Dempsey in 1919 in one of the most severe beatings ever in a championship bout. Willard was knocked down for the first time in his career during the first round and another six times before the round was over; he suffered broken ribs, shattered jaw, broken nose, four missing teeth, partial hearing loss in one ear along with numerous cuts and contusions.[4] Jess fought for two more rounds before retiring on his stool because of the injuries he received in the first round, relinquishing the title.

At 6 ft 6 1/2 in (1.99 m) and 235 lb (107 kg), Willard was the tallest and the largest heavyweight champion in boxing history, until the 270 pounds (120 kg) Primo Carnera won the title on June 29, 1933"

Dempsey is believed to have entered the ring for this bout at 182lbs. So, since you ask if I believe Dempsey could beat Wlad, the answer is yes, that is why I wrote it. Rather than ad hominems and petulance, I’d submit the above as video evidence of the possibility. The video is of Dempsey recording one of the most brutal KOs in the history of boxing against a guy the same height and weight as Wlad, who was ‘one of the longest reigning heavyweight champions in history’. Kovalev walks around heavier than Dempsey did.

If you have any genuine analysis, rather than simply e-stamping your feet and throwing your toys around, I’m sure we’d all welcome it with open minds. [/quote]

you don’t know what ad hominem means so should probably stop using the term.

i could write plenty but i know you will just try to find fault in it all rather than just admit you have said some outrageous nonsense - the fight was fixed / wlad was TRYING not to hurt fury (LOL!!) - and have been called out on it rather than have a pat on the back from one of the circle jerk boxing experts on this forum.

so il keep it short and simple.

weight divisions exist for a reason.

fury has an 85inch reach and you think a couple of 180lb boxers are just going to blow him away rather than have their heads jabbed off of their body and/or get brutally knocked out.

even more pertinently - kovalev is an active fighter so if you are correct why doesn’t he just move up and blow these guys away? he would make more money/fame/prestige if he did so why doesn’t he?

it won’t have even entered his head as it is so laughably moronic. can’t really believe this conversation is even happening myself to be honest.
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Wait, why are you here? Take your 16-year-old ass to another board if you don’t like the people on here.

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[quote]LondonBoxer123 wrote:
Please, God, if you’re up there, let us have another ‘I’m calling you out FightingIrish’ thread. I don’t know how you do it Irish, how you manage to make strangers on the internet so angry, but if there were some way to monetise it you could have a very bright and prosperous future.

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If this wasn’t the internet and it didn’t lurk with psychopaths, I would literally just say “Come to the gym and we’ll figure this out.” But what the fuck, world’s full of idiots … they just gravitate towards me.

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I think, as Donny may have intimated, this may have been a fix. I struggle to understand otherwise how two men of that size, who seemingly legitimately don’t like each other, can spend 12 rounds in a ring together and be so utterly ineffective. There are amateurs up and down the country who would be embarrassed at putting in such an inept performance in front of a small crowd at a local show. I cannot see how an athlete of Wlad’s quality, even though he completely lacks the fighting spirit, could fail to land a single meaningful punch in all that time against someone as open and limited as Fury. It looked to me at plenty of points during the fight that Wlad was actively trying not to hurt Fury.

I’m not sure the size argument is as pervasive as many people seem to have been suggesting in the aftermath either. I have no doubt that a Dempsey, or even a Henry Cooper, would have beaten either of these boys up and down the ring and had them out of there in short order - I wouldn’t even bet against a guy like Kovalev being able to level the pair of them, for all the size disparity. Neither Fury or Wlad showed any kind of elite level skill or ring craft, nor any guile, nor indeed any warrior spirit. It is telling, to me at least, that a currently relatively limited fighter like Anthony Joshua, who I like and who has bags of potential if he can be brought on right and taught to jab effectively, could most likely level anyone in the heavyweight division - raw as he is. [/quote]

Absolutely agree on the Cooper or Dempsey leveling either fighter.

I don’t think it was fixed though. I just think it was an old champ who’s lost the fire being put in an extremely uncomfortable (for him) position in the ring - fighting a younger, bigger, hungrier guy.

Fury didn’t impress either, but at least he was trying. Wlad just can’t pull the trigger anymore. I’m just glad he didn’t get gifted a decision. That would have been fucked up.

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how excellent that the best response to somebody being called out just happens to be by tyson fury. its nice when things work out.

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I prefer this.

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