Ive lost 120lbs in 9 months through Lifting, cardio and a strict high Protein diet but i didnt gained any muscle because my testosterone Levels are simply to low
Urologists only prescribe Testogel which is too androgenic and way to less anabolic
They see Testosterone as a rapist Hormone, despite the fact tha my Levels are lower than the ones of a average female
I know that These Pictures look horrible but i cant get a more defined Body, ive literally tortured myself to get this Body, my Estrogen is still skyrocket high
For me it also seems that my skeletal Frame is simply to narrow to look aesthetic like Jeff seid or zyzz, im considering this surgery procedure called âclavicle lengtheningâ
Since i dont want to look like Larry scott (his muscles are nice but his Frame was simply to narrow)
Because clavicle widening surgery for a narrow frame is a terrible idea. You have klinefelters symdrome, people with klinefelters syndrome tend to have wide hips and narrow shoulders, it is a byproduct of your chromosomal makeup and lack of androgen production. To enhance the development of secondary sexual characteristics you need to
A: Have adequate androgen production
B: Put a lot of work into your shoulders and lats, part of being broad is actually being broad, if you canât achieve that the illusion of being broad is just as good as being broad, you can do this by slimming your waist and working your back, shoulders, a wide V taper with broad shoulders looks broad and aesthetically pleasing.
The VAST majority of people with klinefelters syndrome have primary hypogonadism, so how low exactly was your testosterone before TRT. Testogel isnât more androgenic than it is anabolic either, thatâs bullshit, the ratio of anabolic to androgenic activity for testosterone is 100/100, gels will convert to DHT more in some therefore hair growth can be more pronounced however it isnât any less anabolic than other forms of testosterone, what will factor in is the concentration of testosteorne the gel gets you up to, and for many (including myself) the gel doesnât work and is absolute garbage that should be taken off the shelves. Where are you located, why donât urologists want to prescribe injectable testosterone?
To look like Jeff Seid or Zyzz you need tren, a perfect diet, great training and years of hard work, I donât reccomend going down that route unless you want to compete, the time it takes to achieve a body like that, itâs very time consuming, and health risks are present, esp with tren. Howâs your glucose tolerance and insulin sensitivity? Many people with klinefelters have metabolic syndrome.
Agreed with @unreal24278âs excellent post up until this point. Hard truth, OP: I donât care what sort of diet, training and âsuppsâ you employ, you will NEVER look like these guys. Guess what? Neither will I. Nor, in all likelihood, will @unreal24278. The fact is, those guys are genetic unicorns with respect to their frames, muscle bellies, etc. You too are a genetic unicornâbut unfortunately, one from the opposite end of the physique-potential spectrum.
Rather than possibly ruining your shoulders with a brutal, controversial surgery, I strongly suggest you address your underlying body dysmorphia. Clearly, you have a terribly unrealistic and skewed view of what a man should look like. Youâd rather not look like Mr. Olympia Larry Scott??!! Are you kidding me??!! Sure, his frame is not ideal, but Good Lord, if you looked like him, youâd be the absolute envy of literally every man you know! You donât need to rebuild your frame; you need to rebuild your expectations and mindset.
Stop looking at pics of Seid, zzyzz, etc. Find a physician willing to optimize your hormonal milieu. Eat like a monk, train like a madman. After 5 years of doing these things, look in the mirror. Youâll like what you see.
I still intend to attempt competitive bodybuilding. But yea I have terrible insertions with regard to my arms, forearms and calves. I havenât posted much of this but I do have amazing insertions with regards to my back and chest, but due to my mediocre everything else thatâs a mute point⊠I can still get big/ have a good looking body though, I have the right genes to get big, but to look aesthetically pleasing or bodybuilding style good, not really no. I know one dude who has like top tier bodybuilding genes though, he doesnât train yet has some of the fullest looking muscle bellies Iâve ever seen on a person, he doesnât like bodybuilding though, itâs a shame because he has serious potential. Yea I forgot to put in genetics, thatâs a huge factor.
Oh, nvm it appears you werenât talking to me, I didnât understand because although my genetics arenât great, Iâve seen much worse genetics, my genetics are especially shit when it comes to the ability to get injured tho. Itâs not to say OP canât develop a nice looking physique, itâs just that looking like a top tier bodybuilder/ model like seid or (insert name here) may not be attainable.
My apologies if you arenât actually a troll. There was a very long troll post previously on TNation about âclavicle lengtheningâ and I assumed this was a play off of it.
then forget about your obsession with frames and clavicle length and follow the great advice already given instead obsessing over nonsense. Soak up the tons of good info on this site, eat right, train hard, be patient
Your frame looks fine to me, and great work on dropping all of that weight. You seem to be upset that you didnât gain any muscle during that process, but thatâs not what happens when youâre dropping that much weight.
Grooming and dressing sharp will get you a lot more mileage here than a controversial surgery.
Start with a good haircut. Iâve rocked the long, messy hair before too. I was a part-time dive bar bouncer at the time, giving long hair one last go round. It was actually pretty amusing to see the difference in female attention right after I chopped my hair and trimmed up my raging biker beard. Night and day buddy.
You are on the wrong website. You need to find one focused on cosmetic surgery, specifically clavicular surgery. They will be able to address your concerns better than anyone here.
Why would you get this surgery? I donât understand at all. Just because something can be surgically done doesnât mean it should be surgically done. So youâre going to go pay Lord knows how much to fix one particular aspect of your frame and then⊠what? If youâre hypogonadal clavicular lengthening surgery isnât going to allow you to gain mass. Why not do the easy and cheap things first? Train like hell and eat right? Put 5 years into it. Find a doctor that will properly assist you with your TRT needs.
I donât know because Iâm not an aesthetic guy, but Iâm not going to let a doctor cut on me until itâs medically necessary. Thatâs just me thoughâŠ
There is a significant amount of people out there in the world that try to place all of their unhappiness into one (usually unsolvable) aspect of themselves. They believe that, if they could just fix this ONE thing, they will achieve the happiness that everyone else allegedly has.
The idea that, post surgery, now theyâll simply be a miserable person with broader shoulders does not occur to them.
I still intend to attempt competitive bodybuilding. But yea I have terrible insertions with regard to my arms, forearms and calves. I havenât posted much of this but I do have amazing insertions with regards to my back and chest, but due to my mediocre everything else thatâs a mute point⊠I can still get big/ have a good looking body though, I have the right genes to get big, but to look aesthetically pleasing or bodybuilding style good, not really no. I know one dude who has like top tier bodybuilding genes though, he doesnât train yet has some of the fullest looking muscle bellies Iâve ever seen on a person, he doesnât like bodybuilding though, itâs a shame because he has serious potential. Yea I forgot to put in genetics, thatâs a huge factor.
