all hype for mma! he should stick to backward brawling in my opinion. and with bas, either the mighty kimbo isnt listening to the “el guapo” or he cant learn it! i feel the latter is the case. any other person who caught over 50 elbows without defending himself would have been stopped. if it where the other way around, thompson would have been stopped after the first “kimbo power elbow!” this is elite xc’s poster boy, he wasnt going to lose! they had a unique opportunity to showcase the essence of mma, instead, theatrics. oh well, dream 4 is this sunday, there is still some real mma left, sad its outside the us.
[quote]ultrafit wrote:
all hype for mma! he should stick to backward brawling in my opinion. and with bas, either the mighty kimbo isnt listening to the “el guapo” or he cant learn it! i feel the latter is the case. any other person who caught over 50 elbows without defending himself would have been stopped. if it where the other way around, thompson would have been stopped after the first “kimbo power elbow!” this is elite xc’s poster boy, he wasnt going to lose! they had a unique opportunity to showcase the essence of mma, instead, theatrics. oh well, dream 4 is this sunday, there is still some real mma left, sad its outside the us. [/quote]
It doesn’t matter who the hell his trainer is, he can’t learn the intricacies of a brand new SPORT in a couple of months. And that’s what this is, really. A sport. A sport with rules and referees and time limits. People see Kimbo fighting guys on youtube, and then they watch MMA, and people immediately think one equals the other.
And I’m not sure what the deal is with people who hate all the Kimbo hype, and then point to Japanese MMA as the true beacon of “REAL MMA!” Dream, the same people who brought us Royce Gracie vs Akebono? The same parent company who unleashed Bob Sapp-mania across Asia? And let’s not even get into some of Pride’s brilliant stuff. The only difference in peoples minds is that it is “over there”, and they don’t have to deal with the advertising and hype on a daily basis. There are probably angry Shooto fans in Japan looking at a poster for the Megaton Grand Prix thinking “Man, at least there is still good MMA in America…”
[quote]Donut62 wrote:
ultrafit wrote:
all hype for mma! he should stick to backward brawling in my opinion. and with bas, either the mighty kimbo isnt listening to the “el guapo” or he cant learn it! i feel the latter is the case. any other person who caught over 50 elbows without defending himself would have been stopped. if it where the other way around, thompson would have been stopped after the first “kimbo power elbow!” this is elite xc’s poster boy, he wasnt going to lose! they had a unique opportunity to showcase the essence of mma, instead, theatrics. oh well, dream 4 is this sunday, there is still some real mma left, sad its outside the us.
It doesn’t matter who the hell his trainer is, he can’t learn the intricacies of a brand new SPORT in a couple of months. And that’s what this is, really. A sport. A sport with rules and referees and time limits. People see Kimbo fighting guys on youtube, and then they watch MMA, and people immediately think one equals the other.
And I’m not sure what the deal is with people who hate all the Kimbo hype, and then point to Japanese MMA as the true beacon of “REAL MMA!” Dream, the same people who brought us Royce Gracie vs Akebono? The same parent company who unleashed Bob Sapp-mania across Asia? And let’s not even get into some of Pride’s brilliant stuff. The only difference in peoples minds is that it is “over there”, and they don’t have to deal with the advertising and hype on a daily basis. There are probably angry Shooto fans in Japan looking at a poster for the Megaton Grand Prix thinking “Man, at least there is still good MMA in America…”[/quote]
Hahaha. Yeah I think Donut has it right. Bob Sapp was Japan’s Kimbo Slice. The average person off the street who is not a fan whether he is American or Japanese likes to see this stuff. People tune into that stuff. I have to admit that some of Sapp’s fights where extremely entertaining. Nog-Sapp, Mirko-Sapp, Sefo-Sapp, Fujita-Sapp. The last three I mentioned he was absolutely destroyed. Before Sapp actually knew how much K-1(and mma) hurt he pulled off a few surprises(e.g. Hoost).
Bob Sapp is much, much bigger and stronger and probably just an all around better athlete than Kimbo. At the time he started younger as well. Kimbo has some natural ability to fight. Not Naseem Hamed talent, but way superior to the average person. Sure Kimbo will improve, but after even 3 or 4 years he will be 37, 38. He doesn’t have any background like most fighters. He is a draw and he will make money. I can’t blame him for trying to make some money.
I am not sure Kimbo won that fight
This is way too much discussion than kimbos potential deserves. i dont think hes going anywhere but hell never step in the ring with a top 5 hw.
you got to be shitting me donut, comparing sapp to kimbo. otoko said it perfectly, sapp fought ht ebest pride had to offer, except fedor. cro-cop - mog - fujita, kimbo will never fight that caliber of fighter, nor will elite xc challenge him in that fashion. watch an old pride fight or dream and guess what you dont hear? booing and all that bullshit! there are a alot of good fighters here in the states, that i agree, its the promotions i have a problem with.
anyway, im still looking forward to dream, and afflictions card with fedor. im just wondering what you think about ufc’s middle weight, light heavy weight, and heavy weight current champions were pride fighters? i feel pride and now dream exalted their fighters for what they are, mma fighters.
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
I seriously think some people here are on crack. The idea that anyone could believe Kimbo will someday be a high level fighter is absurd. He is 34 years old.
He has zero background in any combat discipline. He has no bjj, Judo, wrestling, boxing, MT, etc. All he has is a winning record against bums off the street. And it is not without a blemish as Gannon beat him even with a 30 count.
Would anyone expect a 34 year old man to be become a top pro at any sport starting from ground zero? Let’s see, will he ever have the ground game to beat Nog?
No, as by the time Kimbo would have black belt level BJJ, assuming he even had the potential, he would be in his 40s. Could he ever have the wrestling ability of Coleman or Couture? No, for the same reasons. His stand up is horrible and he won’t turn into Cro Cop in a year or two.
So even if (and that’s a big if) he has the potential within himself to reach a high level of skill in at least one of the various disciplines it will take MANY years for him to get there. Kimbo is a joke. [/quote]
Wow finally someone has caught the correct. The rumors of kimbo vs. tyson in MMA are a joke because I know it ain’t boxing b/c Tyson has had sparring partners that people have never heard that would rape Kimbo.