^^Yeah for sure X. I’m gonna go to this appointment and based on how it goes I’ll decide on weather or not I should request a new one. I’m gonna give her the benefit of the doubt and assume that she’ll have a different plan/course of action after our face to face… hopefully she lives up to those expectations
Yeah America is a nation of instant gratification. Wanting everything cheaper and wanting it now. Instant gratification
.greg.
UPDATE! UPDATE! UPDATE!:
Got a call back from my doctor today. I had my blood re drawn and the nurse said they were only really testing one thing (im assuming it was kidney function because that was the concern)
So I get a call back from my doctor today and she says she got my test results in. She said everything looked great and that she’d see me on saturday. So I’m pretty much chalking the abnormal readings to teh creatinez!
Thanks for your help, comments, and concern everyone but looks like I’m good to go now
.greg.
[quote]gregron wrote:
UPDATE! UPDATE! UPDATE!:
Got a call back from my doctor today. I had my blood re drawn and the nurse said they were only really testing one thing (im assuming it was kidney function because that was the concern)
So I get a call back from my doctor today and she says she got my test results in. She said everything looked great and that she’d see me on saturday. So I’m pretty much chalking the abnormal readings to teh creatinez!
Thanks for your help, comments, and concern everyone but looks like I’m good to go now
.greg.[/quote]
kreatine killz
[quote]ADvanced TS wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
UPDATE! UPDATE! UPDATE!:
Got a call back from my doctor today. I had my blood re drawn and the nurse said they were only really testing one thing (im assuming it was kidney function because that was the concern)
So I get a call back from my doctor today and she says she got my test results in. She said everything looked great and that she’d see me on saturday. So I’m pretty much chalking the abnormal readings to teh creatinez!
Thanks for your help, comments, and concern everyone but looks like I’m good to go now
.greg.[/quote]
kreatine killz[/quote]
Wait…so a doc tells you to lose ten pounds for no reason based on a higher creatinine level and the simple fact that you weigh more than a sedentary person…and you keep going back to her?
^^I havent actually seen her yet. These were over the phone conversations. I just got out of the military and these consults are through the VA for VA Healthcare. I am going to be getting private healthcare once I get out of school but for now this is free and its what I got ya know? you were in the military X you know how government run things can be
.greg.
Be ready for the, “are you taking steriods?” when you meet. That is what I got when asked when my blood work was out of whack. I weighed 206 at 5 10 at the visit.
^^alright man I’ll be ready for it.
.greg.
I’ve tested high on creatinine, then tested fine a couple of weeks later. I don’t take any creatine. The time I tested high was within a day or two of a mini meet (1RMs in all three lifts), and I was sore as hell. After researching it, I saw high creatinine can be indicative of severe muscle break down/rhabdo. I figured maybe that explained it, and when I didn’t test high again, I kind of wrote it off.
[quote]pushmepullme wrote:
I’ve tested high on creatinine, then tested fine a couple of weeks later. I don’t take any creatine. The time I tested high was within a day or two of a mini meet (1RMs in all three lifts), and I was sore as hell. After researching it, I saw high creatinine can be indicative of severe muscle break down/rhabdo. I figured maybe that explained it, and when I didn’t test high again, I kind of wrote it off.[/quote]
thats pretty interesting. I’ve never heard of that before but thats kinda cool to know.
Yeah I tested “positive” for low kidney function. Thanks to many helpful people on here I learned that taking creatine can lead to these results. I recently had started taking it so I stopped for a week, re tested, and came back completely normal. Kind of a relief though. I wasnt really nervous about it but that would have sucked to have a real medical issue
.greg.
[quote]gregron wrote:
^^I havent actually seen her yet. These were over the phone conversations. I just got out of the military and these consults are through the VA for VA Healthcare. I am going to be getting private healthcare once I get out of school but for now this is free and its what I got ya know? you were in the military X you know how government run things can be
.greg.[/quote]
I do…but my response would have been way different considering my background. I would have questioned her on that immediately. I would hate to see how she would have reacted with someone like me. I guess she would have had me transported directly to an emergency fat farm.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
^^I havent actually seen her yet. These were over the phone conversations. I just got out of the military and these consults are through the VA for VA Healthcare. I am going to be getting private healthcare once I get out of school but for now this is free and its what I got ya know? you were in the military X you know how government run things can be
.greg.[/quote]
I do…but my response would have been way different considering my background. I would have questioned her on that immediately. I would hate to see how she would have reacted with someone like me. I guess she would have had me transported directly to an emergency fat farm.[/quote]
hahahaha she would have submitted you to The Biggest Loser instantly. Mando PT!
.greg.
Hey just got back from the doctor after having my kidney’s checked and everything came back normal…
But the doctor told me he “didn’t want me on protein” and said he has older bodybuilding patients that have suffered kidney damage from being on a high protein diet over a long period of time.
He then lectured me on the dangers of steroid use and said he would’ve thrown me out of his office if I were on steroids. I then asked how a recreational bodybuilder taking steroids differed from administering steroids to HIV patients to increase white blood cell count or offering hormone replacement therapy to older men and he replied “there’s a world of difference.” FTR I was not being smug, but was genuinely curious.
He then quickly shifted the conversation to Sylvester Stallone and pointed out how he looks great in his 60’s but needs a vacuum pump to get an erection. Basically saying that if I were to take steroids, it will heavily depreciate my sex organs and I’ll be paying for it when I’m older.
I agreed to have my kidneys checked annually and then the appointment ended.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Hey just got back from the doctor after having my kidney’s checked and everything came back normal…
But the doctor told me he “didn’t want me on protein” and said he has older bodybuilding patients that have suffered kidney damage from being on a high protein diet over a long period of time.
He then lectured me on the dangers of steroid use and said he would’ve thrown me out of his office if I were on steroids. I then asked how a recreational bodybuilder taking steroids differed from administering steroids to HIV patients to increase white blood cell count or offering hormone replacement therapy to older men and he replied “there’s a world of difference.” FTR I was not being smug, but was genuinely curious.
He then quickly shifted the conversation to Sylvester Stallone and pointed out how he looks great in his 60’s but needs a vacuum pump to get an erection. Basically saying that if I were to take steroids, it will heavily depreciate my sex organs and I’ll be paying for it when I’m older.
I agreed to have my kidneys checked annually and then the appointment ended.
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Docs who dispense diet advice drive me up a wall. As a group, there are very few qualified to comment on nutrition. If your doc kept up with remotely current research, he’d know that protein recommendations for athletes are higher than those for the average population - even the freakin’ ADA has conceded this.
did you ask him how he knows Stallone needs a pump to get it up? hahahaha that would have been funny? “ummm how exactly do you know this?” slowly push your chair away form his lol
so your doc said he would throw you out of his office if you were on steroids… you should have asked him if he throws people out of his office because they smoke? Smoking kills way more people than AAS does.
man, doctors are some of the dumbest smart people around. (not all but it seems like a lot)
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]Ghost22 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Please find a different doc. That made no sense if she never even saw you. Docs who just assume from weight alone that someone is obese OVER THE PHONE would not see me again…but that is just me.
I would say more but this is a public forum.[/quote]
Honestly though, nine times out of ten, someone at your height/weight would be morbidly obese. It’s not an unfair assumption.
Doctors have a ton to learn, you’ll be hard pressed to find one that is knowledgeable about weight-lifting and supps. A lack of such knowledge doesn’t necessarily make a bad doctor, either.
My vote is you go see the doctor before dismissing her.
Also:
The only study I’m aware of with regards to protein intake and kidney function did, in fact, find that it had a detrimental effect…on patients already in some level of kidney failure.
I don’t believe there’s ever been a study on healthy kidneys and high protein intake, for what it’s worth. [/quote]
ok cool good to know. Yeah I know what you mean with most people in this day and age being overweight and not in a good way lol. Most people in our generation dont lift weights and arent active enough to be able to support 210+lbs on a 5’11" frame so thats why I didnt lay into the doc and try to “educate her” hahahaa. I’ll just see her face to face in a couple weeks and let her see for herself that i’m no where near fat 
.greg.[/quote]
actually before our generation 200+ and under 6ft was 100% guaranteed obese.
Even the heavyweight champs didnt get much over 190 back in the day.
being fit is always better than fat but 210 lbs of muscle is still 210 lbs that the liver is cleansing, the kidneys are filtering, and the heart is pumping… Organs which probably were designed to work at 160 lbs thru evolution. So the doctor is fine… as long as you’re not 210 lbs at age 70 she will be happy.
[quote]beeph wrote:
actually before our generation 200+ and under 6ft was 100% guaranteed obese.
Even the heavyweight champs didnt get much over 190 back in the day.
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In terms of this, an issue is that weights for people in the 19th and early 20th centuries are hard to find. I personally can’t make assumptions about average bf%, weight, or similar measures for this population.
In regard to the previous champs, according to Steve Reeves’ website he weighed 216. While we can only assume the weights of Atlas and Sandow, seeing that Reeves was sitting at 216, we might be surprised by the earliest bodybuilders weights.
[quote]beeph wrote: 210 lbs of muscle is still 210 lbs that the liver is cleansing, the kidneys are filtering, and the heart is pumping… Organs which probably were designed to work at 160 lbs thru evolution. So the doctor is fine… as long as you’re not 210 lbs at age 70 she will be happy.
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I would love to see a study showing that higher lean body mass is a risk factor for any disease, particularly one that controls for the variables of steroid use, the strain on the organs caused by intense weightlifting, various dietary factors, genetics, etc. Use all the anecdotal evidence and assumptions you want, but I don’t buy it.
If you read through the available literature, you will find again and again that higher amounts of LBM, and specifically muscle mass are negatively correlated with heart disease, diabetes, osteoporosis, anemia (of course), etc.
Higher amounts of muscle mass have also been shown to have a hepatic-protective affect during times of protein deficit and caloric deficit. In regard to the issue of the kidneys, lower amounts of muscle mass are an indication in patients with renal failure that the disease is progressing, the inverse indicating better renal function.
So I’ve tried to make 2 points:
The fact remains that the BMI is entirely formulaic (it is a formula, after all), not applicable to athletes, and over-used by physicians. It does not idicate an individuals health.
There is no literature I have seen to suggest the addition of high LBM alone has negative physiological impacts, and there is actually much literature to the contrary.
A third point would be that the body is incredibly adaptive. One only has to study immunology to see the very tip of the bodies adaptivity, and we cannot assume that our organs “weren’t designed” to do anything until we have seen good empirical evidence that our adaptive responses may not suit whatever that thing may be.
MID
So greg, you never actually told us about your visit.
Umm yeah…what Happened?
Oh I thought I posted up there about how it went? Ok well if not heres the recap…
I went back in and they lady was asian (its funny cause of her accent when she talked… besides that doesnt really have anything to do with the story)
So she looked at my height, weight, blood pressure and my blood work results and said that everything looked normal… She said for me to keep working out so that all my muscles dont turn to fat because “you know you got da muscewww… and you got da sick pack” (no joke thats how she said it and I almost started laughing but held it in)
So she said that she wanted me to get another follow up blood test in 4 months just to double check and make sure everything is good. She did tell me to stop taking protein shakes but that was all. Besides that it was a good successful check up
Wow, so an MD said that muscles can turn into fat?
Good lord.