mini
Nice post
As stated my appreciation for the knowlege and as you stated, eloquence
of stellars remarks are my point.
No put down of your posts or beliefs.
[quote]T-chick wrote:
stellar_horizon wrote:
Here’s an analogy - God created man with sexual organs. If a man uses his penis to have sex with other men, then he’s abusing the purpose of being endowed with this physical organ. On the other hand, if a man uses his penis to have sex for procreation, then he is correctly using this physical organ. ALL humans are endowed with a nous, but this does NOT imply that (1)all humans shall use it to begin with or (2)when they do, it shall be for the proper function. Orthodox Christians are taught to use the nous for the correct function, to experience God, while the polytheists abuse the nous and experience demons.
to be continued…
OK, so let’s suppose there’s a God - an omniscient and omnipotent being who created the universe and all it’s contents. Do you really think that high on His priorities is precisely where you put your dick and for what reason? That every drop of wasted semen is a slap in His face because all he wants is more of us to war with with each other and fuck up one of his planets?
That some forms of sexuality are ‘evil’ is such a dumb idea it could only have come from man. [/quote]
She’s right, something so contradictory and hypocritical could only have come from man.
Also, since God allows us to choose between good and evil, logic dictates that some will choose evil. How then can you know if those who claim to spread the word of God are not simply spreading their own interpretation of it so that they may use it to coerce others into sharing their opinions. The church CLAIMS the bible is the word of God, but how can you know that it actually is?
Some excellent refutations here. As Miniross wrote, Sociology, history, etc are ?soft sciences? ? subjective in the data capture, and subjective in their analysis. True science is ?hard? ? it is looked at objectively, it must be testable ? and provide the same results after multiple testings. Find me a group of scholars who agree on any strict meaning of any one passage in an ancient religious text. And history? ha, whats the quote ? history is written by the victors?
Stellar you?ve taken my point regarding meditation/prayer.You said ?Jews and Christians do not pray as an END but rather as a MEANS of finding God.? Hindus, buddist?s and a bunch of other ?sects? have meditated for umpteen thousands of years. They too wish to experience oneness and use meditation as the means. The only difference I see is they are seeking an experience which just has a different name than what the Christians are seeking. When it comes down to it, you agree as above, that the same pathway is being used in this search ? no matter what the intended END is, the same pathway is exploited, and the result can be called whatever you like ? Experiencing God?s Grace, Nirvana, or talking with the evil leprichauns.
And finally the meditators after they have found the oneness, don?t go around and tell people they will go to hell unless they follow ?the one true way?.
I know people like yourself, Stellar, and I, love to come together to butt heads, and I know neither will convert the other, but hey, it?s still fun, and perhaps some observer?s eyes will be more open for the discussion.
Can someone please explain this tho ? I?ve been to religious schools, and it was never adequately explained to me (or perhaps it can’t be)-
Why do christians (and Jews too, I imagine) describe themselves as GodFearing?
I have a recollection that god is supposed to love everyone unconditionally. Why fear something that loves you? Additionally, if the god loves you, even if you?ve sinned, why does he punish for all eternity? And then again, if your dead, how can you experience pain? Pain is a nervous system operation ? and if your dead ? your nervous system aint working.
As T-chick cleverly pointed out - this whole religion thing has all the hallmarks of a structre being created by man - and it seems for the sole purpose of control. Sad really.
a pathway found that can provide any number of persons individual happiness and rapture (and an absence of any dogma), and the message is corrupted via institutional control. on reflection, this is the source of my hatred of all things religous.
I’m back, bros. Y’all have been busy while I’ve been away… damn! Anyway, does anybody know when they’re gonna pick a new pope? I’m looking forward to seeing who gets the Catholic throne and whether or not he’s going to do anything with his newfound power to change anything anytime soon.
BTW, that was me that busted on stellar’s avatar. It was in that meditation article thread. 
Oh, one more thing to keep the theology/faith thing going here:
I started this thread with the statement “Eternal punishment awaits any who questions God’s infinite love.”
The way I see it, that pretty much sums up Christianity. So far, none of y’all religious folks mentioned anything to the contrary. I’ve seen this thread turn into a “do this and you go to hell” vs. “oh yeah? It’s actually don’t do THIS and you go to hell!”
I hope y’all see how arguing about something like this is kinda like getting really, really pissed off during masturbation… it just doesn’t help that much.
Now I will be the LAST person to claim any special knowledge about the bible in any of its forms, but I thought that Jesus was all about LOVE. The fact that there might be any kind of punishment of any kind at all for anyone basically turns a belief system into something at least partially about FEAR. And when you couple this idea of punishment with a system of conduct, then it turns your belief system into something that is about CONTROL as well.
My religious friends: Can you explain to me the dichotomy here? The imagined heaven/hell thing doesn’t make any sense. You have this book that tells you how to live… OR ELSE. That is fear and control. The modern world is turning away from your archaic book, because it is starting to see all the confused stuff inside of it doesn’t apply to us anymore. Maybe it never really did.
So that’s my beef with christianity and as an extension of that, catholicism as well. The core message doesn’t make sense. At all. On one hand, we have God’s infinite love… except that you gotta do stuff or not do stuff to get it. And woe to him/her that doesn’t try, because then not only are you unloved by God, but you are also doomed to eternal punishment. So God’s love is not really infinite then. Not even close. Okay. Maybe there’s a whole lot of other stuff about God that we’re wrong about. It sure would explain a lot that goes on around here if HE wasn’t infinitely powerful and infinitely smart, as well.
Of course, it’s also just as reasonable to assume that there is no supernatural God in the first place. Maybe it’s time for our species to finally let go of our leftover from childhood metaphor/mighty and powerful father figure, and stand on our own. Maybe it’s time to grow up. Maybe it’s finally okay to not think we have all the answers… like what some book says in it as the be-all and end-all truth. Maybe it’s time for us to be able to look in our mirrors and say:
“You know what? I don’t know what the future brings, I’m never going to have all the answers… and that’s okay. I’m gonna get through this life anyway. Sometimes it’s going to suck. Sometimes it’s going to be wonderful.”
Or maybe not. Maybe the fear is still too much. Maybe we still need the security blanket. Maybe the world’s still too big for us to let go of the idea of our bright red horned bogeyman lurking in the lake of fire for us if we misbehave. Better to keep the closet door closed, and to not peek under the bed… just in case.
What happens when you let go of all the dogmatic BS, and consider this one rule: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
Get along with everybody. Because it’s helpful that way… not because we’re going to spank you and send you to bed.
Or is that too warm and fuzzy for y’all?
[quote]T-chick wrote:
OK, so let’s suppose there’s a God - an omniscient and omnipotent being who created the universe and all it’s contents. Do you really think that high on His priorities is precisely where you put your dick and for what reason? That every drop of wasted semen is a slap in His face because all he wants is more of us to war with with each other and fuck up one of his planets?
That some forms of sexuality are ‘evil’ is such a dumb idea it could only have come from man. [/quote]
In the Christian Faith, mankind’s quest is to battle sin and be spiritually reconciled with God so as to enter into Paradise. In His divine wisdom, God instituted laws/rules/regulations for mankind to obey so that we might have a chance of succeeding in this objective.
Here’s an analogy. There’s a varsity track team this chubby guy Steve always wanted to join. Bill, the track coach, eagerly wants Steve to win a spot on his squad because of Steve’s enthusiasm so he decides to coach him. Bill explains that the minimum standard for making the squad is running a mile faster than 7 minutes.
Bill also explains that Steve needs to start jogging 4 times a week for 2 miles every session at an allotted pace. Bill explains to Steve what kind of foods to eat, how many calories to consume, and stresses that Steve drink at least a gallon of water daily. Bill also explains that Steve needs to get 9 hours of sleep per night and ice down his joints after every session. Bill says he doesn’t know when the varsity season starts, but encourages Steve to be in top shape when summoned for tryouts.
If Steve goes out partying every weekend, often drinks booze, runs 3 times a week instead of 4, and averages around 6 hours of sleep per night rather than 9, is he obeying ALL of Bill’s guidelines for success? When Steve is called for tryouts and runs a measly 8-minute mile, who will he have to blame? Whose priority was it to struggle through the motions? And when Bill learns that Steve slacked off, won’t he be disappointed or even angered because he was rooting for Steve who ended up failing to make the cut?
In this same manner, WE are the ones with the list of priorities and NOT God. God has laid out the proper guidelines (ie. laws) for us to succeed in the struggle for salvation. Will the Essence of God actually become angry or sad if we don’t make it to heaven? No. These are just emotions ascribed to God so as to personify Him because humans, who are His creations, can NOT share in His uncreated Essence, nor can we even begin to understand it - He is a superlogical entity. Thus, we use created terminology to explain the Creator’s “attitude” towards our actions.
Will it be a slap in God’s face if a guy puts his penis in the wrong hole or wastes a drop of semen? God’s Essence doesn’t have a literal face, although Jesus Christ was God fully incarnate in the flesh. That is to say, God enveloped Himself with human flesh during conception. Will God actually become enraged if someone sins? No. God’s Essence remains unchanged, regardless of our good or bad deeds or spiritual dispositions.
But the more important concept in your scenario is not what God feels towards US, but rather what WE feel towards HIM. If we lack concern for our spiritual welfare and following in His ways, and slack off like Steve thinking “breaking this rule is ok, I follow some of the other ones”, that exhibits a fallacy on our part in that we are no longer seeking to be perfected to our greatest spiritual potential. In fact, it only conveys our lofty and pompous attitude that we are above some or all of God’s laws. This lofty-mindedness is VERY dangerous as it distinctly proves we suffer from severe pride.
*In the Christian Faith, pride is the root of all evil and this is the sin from which all others manifest themselves. Pride is the precise malady Lucifer submitted to when he questioned God’s infinite judgment regarding His creation of Adam & Eve.
Peace be with you all!
[quote]Orbitalboner wrote:
The church CLAIMS the bible is the word of God, but how can you know that it actually is? [/quote]
That’s like asking, “how do you know that Jesus Christ is God?”
Simple. Through knowledge and Faith.
All these concepts below are found within the Holy Scriptures.
1-Jesus Christ fulfilled every single prophecy of the Messiah in the Old Testament:
(a)the Messiah would be born of a Virgin
(b)the Messiah would be of the lineage of King David
(c)the Messiah would be handed over for 30 silver coins
(d)the Messiah would die on a tree
2-Jesus Christ foretold of His death and resurrection.
3-Jesus Christ foretold of the destruction of the Temple of Solomon.
4-The countless miracles which Jesus did, including the raising of the dead.
5-Jesus Christ’s body was never discovered despite the fact that Roman authorities and Jews alike perceived Him as a rebel who threatened to untopple their socio-political structure. They knew of His vow to resurrect on the 3rd day following His death and the Romans & Jews undertook extensive precautions in guarding His tomb. Nonetheless, He resurrected as promised and His body was never found. Had anyone wanted to decimate the Christian following from the onset, they could’ve easily done so by keeping His body in the tomb as a spectacle for all to observe for the next week or so, proving His vow of resurrection to be nothing but empty speech - this was not the case though as we read. Even with the assistance of the most highly disciplined centurions of the Imperial Guard of Rome who’d been protecting the tomb from bandits and under the watchful, cunning eye of the Jews, His body was never found. As the Great Age of Persecution indicates, neither the Romans nor the Jews held a favorable attitude towards Christians for the next 3 centuries.
There are too many references for me to even list. I can list one-hundred MORE reasons but I’ll spare you from straining your eyes.
If the Bible indicated any falsehood, it would not be revered in the manner it is today. Other religions would’ve pounced on any errors to discredit the Faith, but such is not the case. And if the Bible is a book of Truth, what amazing things it speaks of!
You think to yourself, “how CAN it be the word of God” while I ask, “how can it NOT”.
shaun & lothario, you ask an EXCELLENT question regarding the argument of God’s infinite love vs. eternal damnation. I’ll provide the Orthodox Christian response to clear up the issue - one that you’ve never heard unless you consulted specifically with an Orthodox Christian priest. I sympathize with your confusion on the matter but remain patient and wait till my next post. This forum has a way of controlling my biological functions (missing sleep, missing meals). Gotta be up in 4 hours!
Peace be with you all!
[quote]stellar_horizon wrote:
shaun & lothario, you ask an EXCELLENT question regarding the argument of God’s infinite love vs. eternal damnation. I’ll provide the Orthodox Christian response to clear up the issue - one that you’ve never heard unless you consulted specifically with an Orthodox Christian priest. I sympathize with your confusion on the matter but remain patient and wait till my next post. This forum has a way of controlling my biological functions (missing sleep, missing meals). Gotta be up in 4 hours!
Peace be with you all!
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Stellar, I’m very interested in hearing the Christian response to this question. It seems to me that you would have to be a logical magician to make something such as that appear ethical.
Your response to my question, unfortunately, uses the bible to prove the veracity of the bible. Obviously, this would not be acceptable as a proof in any respectable field of study.
I see you are unwavering in your determination to base your life on this book. Since it really makes no difference to me, I think I’ll leave you to do just that. Still looking forward to your answer to lothario’s question though. Thanks for the responses. Peace.
I’ll take a shot at barely scratching the surface of eternal damnation vs. infinite love. Which in and of itself a very shitty comparision.
There are two types of sin. Venial and mortal. Venial sin is sin that doesn’t not meet three criteria to make it seperate you from God. 1) Of a serious matter 2) Free will 3) Full knowledge. You must know something is wrong and wrong to the degree it is, its gotta be pretty serious, and you gotta do it of your own accord.
Now sometimes this happens. And you have the sacrament of Reconciliation to help you out (I won’t venture into that). However, there are a vareity of ancillary situations. If you’re sorry for something and intent to repent the next available time, but die before. You’re fine etc. etc. etc.
There is not 3 strikes you’re out policy with God. He’ll continue to forgive on and on and on.
Now, on the topic of not beleiving in God. I’ll tell a story. I sit in a chair here at my computer. Someone made this chair and this computer. My computer is made of all these little parts and my chair of wood. When we get down to the real nitty gritty though. My chair chair has molecules, which are atoms, which are subatomic particles, and each neutron/proton/electron is made of quarks. Not until someone can show me where are these damn quarks come from to make all this shit. I’m going to beleive in a higher power. If you can take a true vaccuum and make anything appear inside of it. Thats when I’ll reconsider this whole Bible notion.
Enjoy your vacuum. This statement renders you ignorant of any evidence/knowledge that essentially disproves statemnets in the bible, such as adam and eve.
All it then says is you are a “gap goddist”. this is when science pushes the boundaries back till there is such a small space for a higher power to exist.
I mean, i have never seen a soufle made, a TV or a mobile phone, but i am fairly sure that there is a more reasonable explanation than a higher power.
I may have not agreed with stella, and even gawped with amazment, but i respect the manner in which he conducted his conviction. If you are going to go with a belief, go with it fully, not some half arsed excuse. one or other, no compromises.
Even stella wasn’t one of them.
Please. Logic like Thomas Aquinas and his 7 proofs for the existence of God fall on deaf ears. I think I actually referenced one of them earlier. I explain it again.
If you come across a line of 10 sea shells in a row. You’d think someone put em’ there? Yeah. How about the laws that govern the cosmos. All light travels at the same max speed. Gravity acts in a specific way. Every molecule with 1 proton/electron is hydrogen. Seems pretty ordered to me.
I wouldn’t call no knowing where matter/energy came from as a gap. The evolutionary gap or “missing link” is a gap. This is a gianormous fucking hole. You can’t tell me the universe is self-supporting until you can prove where it came from. I call horseshit on your piss poor attempt at logic.
BTW You sound like Al Shades saying just cause you hacn’t seen things they don’t exist. I’m pondering why anything exists. Vacuous space doesn’t have energy or matter form. Ergo… Where’d it start?
I neglected to read the first comment about Adam and Eve. Do you even study theology?
Only fundamental Chritians who beleive in the Bible literally with no other source of input (a relatively new form of Christian) take the Adam and Eve story at face value and that it was exactly how it happened. That story is so chock full of metaphors and meaning its ridiculous to suggest it as factual. The same people who suggest rapture as a realistic end to the world propound the validity of the creation story. Not to mention the fact theres two of them in the Bible.
And you call my thinking flawed?
Sorry man. But atleast I grasp the fundamental questions.
[quote]stellar_horizon wrote:
T-chick wrote:
OK, so let’s suppose there’s a God - an omniscient and omnipotent being who created the universe and all it’s contents. Do you really think that high on His priorities is precisely where you put your dick and for what reason? That every drop of wasted semen is a slap in His face because all he wants is more of us to war with with each other and fuck up one of his planets?
That some forms of sexuality are ‘evil’ is such a dumb idea it could only have come from man.
In the Christian Faith, mankind’s quest is to battle sin and be spiritually reconciled with God so as to enter into Paradise. In His divine wisdom, God instituted laws/rules/regulations for mankind to obey so that we might have a chance of succeeding in this objective.
Here’s an analogy. There’s a varsity track team this chubby guy Steve always wanted to join. Bill, the track coach, eagerly wants Steve to win a spot on his squad because of Steve’s enthusiasm so he decides to coach him. Bill explains that the minimum standard for making the squad is running a mile faster than 7 minutes.
Bill also explains that Steve needs to start jogging 4 times a week for 2 miles every session at an allotted pace. Bill explains to Steve what kind of foods to eat, how many calories to consume, and stresses that Steve drink at least a gallon of water daily. Bill also explains that Steve needs to get 9 hours of sleep per night and ice down his joints after every session. Bill says he doesn’t know when the varsity season starts, but encourages Steve to be in top shape when summoned for tryouts.
If Steve goes out partying every weekend, often drinks booze, runs 3 times a week instead of 4, and averages around 6 hours of sleep per night rather than 9, is he obeying ALL of Bill’s guidelines for success? When Steve is called for tryouts and runs a measly 8-minute mile, who will he have to blame? Whose priority was it to struggle through the motions? And when Bill learns that Steve slacked off, won’t he be disappointed or even angered because he was rooting for Steve who ended up failing to make the cut?
In this same manner, WE are the ones with the list of priorities and NOT God. God has laid out the proper guidelines (ie. laws) for us to succeed in the struggle for salvation. Will the Essence of God actually become angry or sad if we don’t make it to heaven? No. These are just emotions ascribed to God so as to personify Him because humans, who are His creations, can NOT share in His uncreated Essence, nor can we even begin to understand it - He is a superlogical entity. Thus, we use created terminology to explain the Creator’s “attitude” towards our actions.
Will it be a slap in God’s face if a guy puts his penis in the wrong hole or wastes a drop of semen? God’s Essence doesn’t have a literal face, although Jesus Christ was God fully incarnate in the flesh. That is to say, God enveloped Himself with human flesh during conception. Will God actually become enraged if someone sins? No. God’s Essence remains unchanged, regardless of our good or bad deeds or spiritual dispositions.
But the more important concept in your scenario is not what God feels towards US, but rather what WE feel towards HIM. If we lack concern for our spiritual welfare and following in His ways, and slack off like Steve thinking “breaking this rule is ok, I follow some of the other ones”, that exhibits a fallacy on our part in that we are no longer seeking to be perfected to our greatest spiritual potential. In fact, it only conveys our lofty and pompous attitude that we are above some or all of God’s laws. This lofty-mindedness is VERY dangerous as it distinctly proves we suffer from severe pride.
*In the Christian Faith, pride is the root of all evil and this is the sin from which all others manifest themselves. Pride is the precise malady Lucifer submitted to when he questioned God’s infinite judgment regarding His creation of Adam & Eve.
Peace be with you all!
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I think you’re missing my point - that being: There is absolutely no reason to believe the intangible force which creates the spark of life in the universe, which you may choose to call God, has any interest in humans in general and in sexual activity in particular.
Garret W - you said:
If you can take a true vaccuum and make anything appear inside of it. Thats when I’ll reconsider this whole Bible notion.
And
Vacuous space doesn’t have energy or matter form. Ergo… Where’d it start?
? well we?re producing energy from the vacuum as below (should you start reconsidering now? - also it may be of interest that a lot of serious physicists are contemplating the multiple universe concept, as well as the idea that when the universe contracts into a singularity, it will re-expand, until some point in the future when it will re-contract (and continue in this cycle ad-infinitum). Thus the question is not how did it all start, but when (if ever) will it stop?
http://www.zamandayolculuk.com/cetinbal/VacuumEngineered.htm
Quantum theory predicts, and experiments verify, that empty space (the vacuum) contains an enormous residual background energy known as zero-point energy (ZPE). ?it is now known to play a role in large-scale phenomena of interest to technologists ?, such as the inhibition of spontaneous emission, the generation of short-range attractive forces (e.g., the Casimir force), and the possibility of accounting for sonoluminescence phenomena. ZPE topics of interest for spaceflight applications range from fundamental issues (where does inertia come from, can it be controlled?), through laboratory attempts to extract useful energy from vacuum fluctuations (can the ZPE be “mined” for practical use?), to scientifically-grounded extrapolations concerning “engineering the vacuum” (is “warp-drive” space propulsion a scientific possibility?). Recent advances in research into the physics of the underlying ZPE indicate the possibility of potential application in all these areas of interest.
THE VACUUM AS A POTENTIAL ENERGY SOURCE
At its most fundamental level, we now recognize that the quantum vacuum is an enormous reservoir of untapped energy, with energy densities conservatively estimated by Feynman and Hibbs (1965) to be on the order of nuclear energy densities or greater. Therefore, the question is, can the ZPE be “mined” for practical use? If so, it would constitute a virtually ubiquitous energy supply, a veritable “Holy Grail” energy source for space propulsion.
As utopian as such a possibility may seem, physicist Robert Forward (1984) at Hughes Research Laboratories demonstrated proof-of-principle in a paper “Extracting Electrical Energy from the Vacuum by Cohesion of Charged Foliated Conductors.”
Forward’s approach exploited a phenomenon called the Casimir Effect, an attractive quantum force between closely-spaced metal plates, named for its discoverer, H. G. B. Casimir (1948) of Philips Laboratories in the Netherlands.
The Casimir force, recently measured with high accuracy by S. K. Lamoreaux (1997) at the University of Washington, derives from partial shielding of the interior region of the plates from the background zero-point fluctuations of the vacuum electromagnetic field. As shown by Los Alamos theorists Milonni et al. (1988), this shielding results in the plates being pushed together by the unbalanced ZPE radiation pressures. The result is a corollary conversion of vacuum energy to some other form such as heat. Proof that such a process violates neither energy nor thermodynamic constraints can be found in a paper by a colleague and myself (Cole & Puthoff) under the title “Extracting Energy and Heat from the Vacuum.”
[quote]T-chick wrote:
I think you’re missing my point - that being: There is absolutely no reason to believe the intangible force which creates the spark of life in the universe, which you may choose to call God, has any interest in humans in general and in sexual activity in particular. [/quote]
AHAHA! T-chick’s got her head on straight. Might as well worship the force of gravity, huh?
I’m gonna start a sun-worshipping cult. You see, the sun is out there. We see it every day. It provides us with light and warmth, just like a deity is supposed to. Without the sun, we are all dead and cold. Every lifeform on this planet owes its existence to the sun. This is irrefutable, provable, and obvious with or without any scientific knowledge.
The sun doesn’t care if you are dumb, ugly, a jerk, or anything at all. It accepts us as we are, and doesn’t ask for anything in return. It will shine on us all equally, regardless of our race, gender, lifestyle, or sexual preference. The sun kicks ass.
I’m gonna go lay out some more tomorrow… who’s with me?
P.S. I have beer already, just bring ice.
I believe the Bible is God’s word based upon 5 factors.
1-motive:
The authors of the Holy Scriptures were followers of Jesus Christ who had nothing to gain but everything to lose, including their lives, by simply associating themselves with a revolutionary new Faith.
2-historical accuracy:
The countless, unrefutable accounts of Jesus Christ’s life, the Apostle’s missionary activities, and the sociopolitical signs of its time.
3-the message within:
The way in which the Holy Scriptures consistently remind man of his spirituality and the need to keep God as the focal point of our lives.
4-the effect:
It serves as a tool which has converted hundreds of millions of people.
5-pure faith:
I believe in my heart that this is God’s word.
I do not base my life on a book. I base my life upon the teachings of God as contained within the Orthodox Christian Church which He began in the day of Pentecost in 33 AD. The Orthodox Christian Church glorifies the Bible as its masterpiece of written tradition. Orthodox Christians not only developed the Bible, but also compiled it according to the canon of St. Athanasios in the 4th century.
To say that the Christian Faith is entirely encompassed by the Bible is to say that CNN tells every story there is to tell about today’s news. CNN enlightens us on some pretty important headlines but it rarely expresses what happens on a local level. That’s why we might also watch FOX or some other local channel if we want better insight as to what’s happening in our community. So it is with the Orthodox Church and the Bible. Although the Bible is 100% true and holy, it remains a fragment of the FULL truth made available to us. Anyways, I don’t base my life on a book. I base my life upon God’s teachings - many of which are contained in the Bible.
[quote]T-chick wrote:
I think you’re missing my point - that being: There is absolutely no reason to believe the intangible force which creates the spark of life in the universe, which you may choose to call God, has any interest in humans in general and in sexual activity in particular.[/quote]
You may not have a reason, but I do. My reason is that Jesus Christ, God Incarnate, preaches contrary to you. You keep your doubts. I’ll keep my Faith in the Lord and Savior.
[quote]lothario1132 wrote:
I’m gonna start a sun-worshipping cult.
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You’re thousands of years late in your proposition. The Egyptians worshipped the sun god Rah while the ancient Greeks worshipped the sun god Apollo.
HI garret.
vacous space is in fact, far from empty. radiation, particles, and more recently theorised, string theory. whilst i have a little idea about string theory (is stll a theory) and it is on such a sub atomic level, so small you cant imagine, (yet unifying) i will not pass comment, but maybe this is where your gap god presides.
The gap in evolution also, is not that great. Can you define what missing link we are talking about, there are a couple you lot bang on about.
No, i haven’t studied theology. remember, i think thats a vacuous submission of my time.
One thing always amused me though, if he made man from mud (cos he can, afterall he is god), why did he make eve from his rib? to show how clever he was? to be mean to adam? you know, for a being who is said to hve created such things as the compound eye, DNA and physics, doing that seems somewhat incongruent to the rest of his "works, dont you think.
as i have said before…
“god must be extremely fond of beetles.”
explain that please.
[quote]stellar_horizon wrote:
lothario1132 wrote:
I’m gonna start a sun-worshipping cult.
You’re thousands of years late in your proposition. The Egyptians worshipped the sun god Rah while the ancient Greeks worshipped the sun god Apollo.
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And before that, christians in ethiopia also had it tied into their celebrations aslo, such is the power of these faiths. Most christian celebrations are still tied to these pagan ideas, dont you think (christmas, easter, harvest (in the uk at least)) the whole “REBORN” thing ties in nicely with spring, a time of renewal.