[quote]stellar_horizon wrote:
100meters wrote:
the bible never condemns homosexuality in the modern day sense
Can you explain then what homosexuality referred to in the ancient sense? That’s a rhetorical question by-the-way. It’s the same concept yesterday, today, & tomorrow.
Leviticus and corinthians are referring to another kind of activity (I would refer you to the actual translation of the words used, which in modern times have been replaced with the new word “homosexuality” but that term isn’t actually in the bible).
The New Testament was written in ancient Greek (which fortunately a handful of priests at my church can decipher quite effectively). Those passages refer EXACTLY to sexual relations between persons of the same gender. With the assistance of these human resources, I’m able to avoid getting tangled up by the errors of interpretation which so many people are confused by. I even own a copy of the Septuagint, the Old Testament translation from the Hebrew language to ancient Greek by 70 Jewish scholars in Alexandria, Egypt around the time of 285-247 BC.
It’ll cost you a pretty penny but it’s definitely worth every cent. Most people are ignorant to the fact that the Old Testament, as most English copies convey it, is actually derived from the Massoretic version which was established between the years 500-1000 AD by reformatting the Septuagint back into Hebrew, and then back into various languages.
Talk about a game of telephone! Acknowledging this process, it’s understandable how certain copies of the Massoretic text circulating today may depict an erroneous interpretation of that passage in Leviticus, but the Septuagint is definitely crystal clear that homosexual relations are an abomination according to the laws of God.
that has nothing to do with two people of the same gender loving each other.
The English language is incompetent when compared to the rich lexicon of ancient/modern Greek. There are two kinds of love which the Bible expresses; eros & agape.
The love which Christ preached was agape which is accurately defined as:
a: unselfish, loyal, and benevolent concern for the good of another: as (1): the fatherly concern of God for humankind & (2): brotherly concern for others
b: a person’s adoration of God
Two men/women may have feelings of agape towards each other, and this is virtuous in the eyes of God.
The love which Christ condemns is eros and is accurately defined as:
1: of, devoted to, or tending to arouse sexual love or desire
2: strongly marked or affected by sexual desire
This is the type of love which two people of the same sex may never submit to.
Also christ did die for all of our sins. We are saved by his grace, not by deeds so that none may brag, this is a gift that I presume stretches into the infinite, and I don’t see any asteriks or footnotes on this one, and as galatians makes clear those teaching a different gospel are condemned to hell. Anybody who tells you otherwise would be playing word games (example:homosexuality, abortion etc. these things just aren’t in the bible)
So what you’re saying is that we’re saved by grace, and that no deed that we commit has an effect on our salvation EXCEPT when it comes to preaching a different gospel, right? Let’s just toss out all the commandments of Christ and walk in our own degenerate, lawless ways, right?
What’s to worry, we’re saved! Dude, if you really believe this, you’ve deluded yourself in a whirlwind of heresy. You may or may not own a copy of the Bible, but you sure as hell don’t understand the basic essence of the Christian Faith. And before you rant off on a topic you’re not equipped to discuss, just realize that YOU’RE the one preaching a different gospel.
St. Matthew 7:22
“Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness’!”
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Wrong, in several ways…OY! you quote matthew 7:22 AND THEN…he died for all of our sins, It’s grace,grace,grace,! What did he say to those dying with him? I’ll take Jesus over you I think.
(Read the Gospels—it will help)