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[quote]jgwagner23 wrote:
Im sick of everyone talking about CrossFit being so dangerous, but not talking about how dangerous it is to play football or other contact sports. You can’t compare general CrossFit enthusiasts who get injured to NFL players who get injured, so lets compare it to the 100’s of thousands of high school or little league football players in America.

These kids, and their parents, and families, and friends, have bought into our societies belief that football is the best thing ever. They play it, completely blow out their knee at 16, or fracture their Cervical spine, or smash their brain against their skull 100’s of times in a season and play anyway… and then have to live with the fact they sustained an injury that they probably could’ve gone their whole life without if they hadn’t played such a high risk sport.

Does anyone come rushing in on the forums saying “OMG a kid had a horrific neck injury from playing football those coaches should be burned and the whole sport of Football is STUPID and soccer should be number 1.” NO there isn’t anyone doing that, because America has bought in. We all bought the hell in.

What you didn’t do is buy into CrossFit and now you are all bashing the Sh** out of it when this argument needs to be had for MANY MANY things. The NFL Commissioner didn’t give two squirts about concussions and injuries of players until things started crashing down on him, but we all were still sucked in to his football league. Adding to the ever increasing insanely fat pockets of the NFL. At least pro’s assume the risk and get paid. These high school kids don’t get squat. NOTHING, most don’t get rides to schools, that’s just a dream for many.

This whole argument is so screwed i’m just venting I don’t even do CrossFit, but its all about perspective and people need to take a little more time to think about things before they shoot off. I’m a Licensed Athletic Trainer in NC and I see a lot of injuries, especially in wrestling. I had a kid about break his neck the other night from getting slammed. It aint cool to watch it happen, but give it a little while and the kid will be thrown right back on the mat, as if it didn’t happen or didn’t matter. [/quote]

Football is shrinking fast at every level beneath the NFL, and is under heavy pressure to make the game safer. Your entire post is based on like, the NFL of decades ago, because the NFL of today is absolutely getting blamed for the injury and endangerment of children(and men) that play it, and is even being held financially responsible for doing so.

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the problem is crossfit is marketed as a great, SAFE way to get in shape. Football is not. You cannot compare a contact sport, where collision and forces completely outside of your control (the other people), to a sport where the only opposing force is directly in contact with you the entire time (any weightlifting/strength sport). The forces in each are fundamentally different. Your body can adapt to repeated physical stress such as lifting weights in a specific way. I’d be willingly to bet that it can’t adapt to a 200lbs free safe decleating you by hitting you with a force of over 4500lbs. I didn’t pull that number out of my butt either, they hooked a guy up to some machines and had him tackle a crash test dummy at full speed, in pads. 4500lbs of force is the number they got. They being the guys on ESPN sports science or something like that.

Let’s keep in mind that many of us here have recognized that this was not an event run or supervised by CrossFit HQ. Rather, it was at a local box that tried to kill the competitors. And almost succeeded in doing so.

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Everyone who starts football is already aware that its a violent, full contact sport.

Many(most even) new participants to crossfit are basically told that its the fast track to supreme fitness and wellbeing, and that regular joe/ non competitive crossfit sessions have negligible chance of injury.

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[quote]nkklllll wrote:
the problem is crossfit is marketed as a great, SAFE way to get in shape. Football is not. You cannot compare a contact sport, where collision and forces completely outside of your control (the other people), to a sport where the only opposing force is directly in contact with you the entire time (any weightlifting/strength sport). The forces in each are fundamentally different. Your body can adapt to repeated physical stress such as lifting weights in a specific way. I’d be willingly to bet that it can’t adapt to a 200lbs free safe decleating you by hitting you with a force of over 4500lbs. I didn’t pull that number out of my butt either, they hooked a guy up to some machines and had him tackle a crash test dummy at full speed, in pads. 4500lbs of force is the number they got. They being the guys on ESPN sports science or something like that.

Let’s keep in mind that many of us here have recognized that this was not an event run or supervised by CrossFit HQ. Rather, it was at a local box that tried to kill the competitors. And almost succeeded in doing so.[/quote]

Good points, but i will say CrossFit sure is not marketed as SAFE. Its marketed as hard, challenging, intense, extreme, not your average fitness, things like that. That to me screams stay away unless you are willing to experience all things related to above and beyond. Thats how i’ve seen it marketed and anyone i’ve talked to says it sounds/looks that way.

Collision and forces in football are not out of our control, you play the sport, that decision was in your control. You play the sport knowing other players are on the field to stop you, and some are on the field to hurt you… Which is a whole different discussion in its own right… Anyways… the injuries are there they are preventable by not playing, and we do it anyway because we bought in. There are other sports where teamwork, discipline, speed, and many other things can be achieved without playing football that are less injury ridden.

Some people buy in to CrossFit, some get huge results, and others will fall. There are other forms of fitness that may yeild the same results that are less injury ridden as well. It is important to try to eliminate the cancers with in CrossFit, but it isn’t so necessary to kill the entire thing. That’s the approach we have taken with almost all the other sports. Thats all I’m saying.

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800×600 470 KB

You’re right, it’s so easy to love Crossfitters…look how cute!!

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Think about it…

It’s a remarkable piece of sophistry that if a bunch of people whose identity centers around calling themselves crossfitters who all train at crossfit gyms, doing workouts that are called “crossfit WODS” decide to get together at a weekend event hosted by other crossfitters who own and run one or more crossfit gyms for the stated purpose of seeing who can do the best at a selection of exercises that crossfitters often do in their cossfitfit WODS that, because this event isn’t specifically endorsed by crossfit HQ suddenly, amazingly, it’s not an crossfit event.

Whatever the reverse of transubstantiation is, this is it.

Also most of HQ was at the event, Castro rode with him to the hospital.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
Oh quit with the “football is so dangerous” bullshit.

Quit.[/quote]

I’m not saying “football is so dangerous.” I’m just trying to point out that the causes of injury between a contact sport and a non-contact sport are not comparable.

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[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Think about it…

It’s a remarkable piece of sophistry that if a bunch of people whose identity centers around calling themselves crossfitters who all train at crossfit gyms, doing workouts that are called “crossfit WODS” decide to get together at a weekend event hosted by other crossfitters who own and run one or more crossfit gyms for the stated purpose of seeing who can do the best at a selection of exercises that crossfitters often do in their cossfitfit WODS that, because this event isn’t specifically endorsed by crossfit HQ suddenly, amazingly, it’s not an crossfit event.

Whatever the reverse of transubstantiation is, this is it.

Also most of HQ was at the event, Castro rode with him to the hospital.[/quote]
I was not aware that anyone from HQ was at the event.

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FWIW, I decided to recuse myself from this thread a while back, because I was putting this article together:

Hopefully it clears up some of the confusion. (Probably won’t, but it’s worth a shot.)

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[quote]Chris Colucci wrote:
FWIW, I decided to recuse myself from this thread a while back, because I was putting this article together:

Hopefully it clears up some of the confusion. (Probably won’t, but it’s worth a shot.)[/quote]

Nice work Chris!

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[quote]Chris Colucci wrote:
FWIW, I decided to recuse myself from this thread a while back, because I was putting this article together:

Hopefully it clears up some of the confusion. (Probably won’t, but it’s worth a shot.)[/quote]

Excellent article.

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Thanks, guys. I wanted to look into some lesser-known aspects of the discussion, like facts and stuff.

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[quote]Chris Colucci wrote:
Thanks, guys. I wanted to look into some lesser-known aspects of the discussion, like facts and stuff.[/quote]

The silence from HQ is deafening…normally Saran and the Russells would be posting every minute of every day on this.

Me thinks their Risk Retention Group (RRG) is not the titan they say it is.

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I think that whether any of the issues raised are truly found to have had any impact or not, anything said, or done of an official nature is going to be scrutinized to an insane degree. This has been high profile enough that even mainstream news avenues have covered it.

S

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Thought this was worth an update. Almost two months after the accident, but this just came out from HQ. Seems like he’s doing as great as can be expected.