Kara Bohigian 225x7 Raw Bench

Adamsson · June 26, 2006, 1:02pm

[quote]tom63 wrote:
Adamsson wrote:
“The IPF is a joke”…?

in IPF the percentage of drugged athletes is far less than in non-tested feds. There is not only black white, there are a few grays…

And you know this how? A top USAPL official has contacted at least one person I know that competes in the WPO about entering the USAPL. He was told he would be shown how to get around the drug testing.

I have very serious doubts the IPF is drug free.

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Ok, someone obviously didn’t get my point. Ofcourse one can get around drug tests, ester free roids on a regular basis, preferably while training in a gym where testing doesen’t happen too often is a quite safe way of doing this, that was not my point.

My point is that the AMOUNT of drug free lifters is higher in IPF than in many other feds. There is not just “black” and “white”, “drug free” or “drugged”… there is quite a few greys in between the extremes, and IPF is a quite light shade of gray compared to WPO…

KBCThird · June 26, 2006, 1:04pm

[quote]supermick wrote:

Why is our gene pool infected with peasants like you???[/quote]

BAHAHAHAHA oh, sorry my lord, I didn’t realize we had ROYALTY in the house. Listen pal, if you wanna argue about arches, fine. If you wanna talk about gear, it’s been done to death and that wasn’t even the point of what most people were criticizing her for at first.

But if THIS is the level of response I’m going to get, forget it. I really dont care if you call me a peasant - unlike you I’ve got thick enough skin not to care what somebody on the internet thinks of me - but at least ADDRESS THE MAIN ISSUE OF THIS THREAD ie kara’s video. This is the last time I’m bothering to respond to a post of yours that doesnt have a shred of intelligence in it.

Adamsson · June 26, 2006, 1:25pm

[quote]KBCThird wrote:
supermick wrote:

Why is our gene pool infected with peasants like you???

BAHAHAHAHA oh, sorry my lord, I didn’t realize we had ROYALTY in the house. Listen pal, if you wanna argue about arches, fine. If you wanna talk about gear, it’s been done to death and that wasn’t even the point of what most people were criticizing her for at first.

But if THIS is the level of response I’m going to get, forget it. I really dont care if you call me a peasant - unlike you I’ve got thick enough skin not to care what somebody on the internet thinks of me - but at least ADDRESS THE MAIN ISSUE OF THIS THREAD ie kara’s video. This is the last time I’m bothering to respond to a post of yours that doesnt have a shred of intelligence in it.
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You are aware of the simple fact that YOU started the name calling… right?

mertdawg · June 26, 2006, 1:30pm

[quote]Antman517 wrote:
Every sport incorporates the latest advances in technology to improve performance. I don’t see anyone in any other sport bitching about carbon fiber tennis rackets, bikes that cost more than my car, or running tracks that are proven to improve speed and reduce fatigue.

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Not really. In all sports besides powerlifting, national and international commitees have decided what is within the boundaries of “equipment” and what is excessive. 2 foot long spring shoes have allowed people to run sub 3 minute miles. They are not going to be in the olympics any time soon.

Look, the various federations just made bad decisions when deciding what was excessive. There were so many competing federations that certain feds could find their niche by allowing certain equipment, and there was certainly a niche for the all out gear because it produced the biggest numbers.

If they had all gotten together and come up with some simple and non-excessive guidelines, most people wouldn’t have a problem. Most people would probably be fine with the single ply stuff across the board.

Some possible rules that I have heard being considered by some feds. One is that you must be able to put on all of your own equipment by yourself, and that there are to be no straps, or mechanisms that can be tightened after it is on. This sounds reasonable. I also don’t accept a squat without a walkout because it is not a squat based on tradition.

It is wierd seeing training videos of Rychlak trying to pull 600 pounds down to his chest, can’t-quite-get-it-down.

Sorry, but the shirt IS lifting the weight. It is not different than using a bow to shoot an arrow. You do need to pull back, but you are basically storing energy.

Also, why not allow elbow wraps? Why do lifters in some federations not care how much elastic material goes into a shirt, but they don’t want to open the elbow wrap door? Because they’ve got their niche, their specialty already. The people in a fed are the ones who the rules fit best.

RickJames · June 26, 2006, 1:43pm

Wow, I’ve never seen this argument before.

First off, Kara is quite strong for a woman, or even for a man that weighs what she does (generally between 150 and 160lbs, sometimes less). She’s also extremely intelligent, funny, and beautiful. The good thing is that she would laugh about this thread just as much as I have.

I will back the guy up about insane arching not being good for the raw bench. I have shit for an arch, but I still bench more essentially flat-backed. More importantly, most of the raw bench records have been set with essentially flat backs. Her point in benching like that raw is to train the same groove she uses in a shirt.

It was too hard to tell from that video if her ass came up or not. When repping out with a weight, form can get a bit sloppy, so it’s likely, but she often rides the line when it comes to that. Most of her ass will come off the bench, but as long as part of it is in contact with the bench, she gets whites (and has on many occasions, which is all that matters to her goals).

With regard to bench stroke, let me give the zen answer in that it’s all evened out if one will do all three lifts. Sure, get fat as fuck and reduce your bench ROM…you’ll just have that much harder time deadlifting. Also note that a lot of her ROM advantage is because she is shorter than the average man, yet she is still allowed to grip the bar with the same width. I would need to grip the bar another 6+ inches outside of her grip to duplicate that advantage. And again, her goal is to move the most weight allowable in the rules (thus training the arch for shirted benching).

I can’t even remember how the IPF bullshit got brought up here, but that’s just what it is. With respect to the drug tested nature of it, did any of you guys see the recent IPF newsletter about the Ukranian, Hungarian, and Russian Nationals? Normally the IPF itself does not drug test at national meets (they just do so at international competition). So the drug testing in the past was left completely up to the affiliates themselves, and many of the European affiliates would not test.

So the IPF sends WADA to the meet in question. The results? Many lifters refused to get tested and some even turned around and left once they saw that they would be tested. Of the ones still there that actually took the tests, over half of them came up positive. And this doesn’t even include the GH, insulin, etc. that guys can use and not even get tested for. Sure, there are a lot of drug free guys in the IPF, but they’re not the ones winning.

With respect to the IPF and gear, well, I have similar feelings about their gear as I do about what is allowed in the APF/WPO - it’s too much. The new Titan Katana bench shirt is being advertised as already having been responsible for IPF bench records. Do not look down your nose at other feds because you’re “only” averaging 50 kilos on your bench. Most of the guys I lift with in double ply feds “only” get 110lbs out of their shirts. Some people are getting 200+ out of single ply shirts.

Note the guys that have had trouble in the IPF touching their chest with 600+. Just because double ply gear gives you 400lbs on your total and single ply only 325, don’t think you’re not just as much of a circus act to those that have a clue.

And I loved the guy that told the other guy to learn to spell, yet his post was riddled with spelling mistakes. +20 internet points to him.

Adamsson · June 26, 2006, 2:01pm

Again… this is NOT black and white, but the sole fact that russian and other eastern european nations suddenly lost almost 50% of their lifters (and if things go the way i think, will get suspended on a national basis after Stavanger) shows that there is SOME control… I feel that I’m talking to a wall when I repeat myself over and over again… this is not black and white, this isn’t IPF drug free saints of the holy powerlifting union and satans WPO, drugaddicts and child molestors… this is just different parts of a scale, and i think that IPF is far lighter on this scale, simple as that.

When it comes to drug free Winners, well… look at the norwegian winner of the junior World Champs… Andreas Hjelmtveit is clean as… well… what could one say, my shirt today? Anyway, you get the picture, he is clean… AND he wins… so no, it is not impossible…

But back to the point: An all raw, dominant and world wide powerlifting federation would be great, but I don’t see that happening anytime soon… therefore I choose the lesser of several evils, IPF…

RickJames · June 26, 2006, 2:12pm

[quote]Adamsson wrote:
this is not black and white, this isn’t IPF drug free saints of the holy powerlifting union and satans WPO, drugaddicts and child molestors… this is just different parts of a scale, and i think that IPF is far lighter on this scale, simple as that.
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And I have first hand knowledge of people winning money in the WPO lifetime drug free. I’ve known others to use as little as 250mg per week of black market test (and lets not kid ourselves that what Americans can get their hands on is as good as what Europeans use) and be extremely competitive in the WPO. You’re assuming some kind of grey scale for both the IPF and WPO, and I’m saying that it may be a little darker in the IPF and lighter in the WPO than you’d like to think.

The advent of gear is helping the drug free guys keep up, but the ones at the top are predominantly on shit, just like most of the ones at the top of the WPO.

Adamsson · June 26, 2006, 2:19pm

Well, the thing is, I know several top ten powerlifters in IPF (top ten in the world in their weight division)… and they are all drug free. Can i say this with 100% certainty? ofcourse not, just as i can’t say “i will never kill a human being”, but that is as sure as… well, you know what i mean. So it IS possible to be in the top without drugs, but ofcourse, when you see russian lifters lifting a 420kg squat in their national meets, and then 340 in the international, drug tested meets… you get the picture. But i still believe that IPF is in the lighter end of the scale compared to WPO…

Yo_Momma · June 26, 2006, 3:17pm

[quote]Miserere wrote:
KBCThird wrote:
The rules vary by fed, but most say somehting along the lines of “the your upperback and you butt must remain in contact with the bench.” Hers do.

I thought her arse was in the air. Anyone else think so?[/quote]

Until there is ONE set of “Official” PL rules, there will be new federations that spring up to accommodate just about any style you can pretzel your body into just to move the bar. This is when a sport becomes a joke, and your numbers are no longer absolutes. There must be standard rules across the board for your record to mean anything.

And yes, her ass was in the air.

supermick · June 26, 2006, 3:26pm

[quote]KBCThird wrote:
supermick wrote:

Why is our gene pool infected with peasants like you???

BAHAHAHAHA oh, sorry my lord, I didn’t realize we had ROYALTY in the house. Listen pal, if you wanna argue about arches, fine. If you wanna talk about gear, it’s been done to death and that wasn’t even the point of what most people were criticizing her for at first.

But if THIS is the level of response I’m going to get, forget it. I really dont care if you call me a peasant - unlike you I’ve got thick enough skin not to care what somebody on the internet thinks of me - but at least ADDRESS THE MAIN ISSUE OF THIS THREAD ie kara’s video. This is the last time I’m bothering to respond to a post of yours that doesnt have a shred of intelligence in it.
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You are a total idiot. Ive had two posts removed as no doubt you would have complained regarding them.
Stick to marrying sisters or whatever it is you do round your way.

KBCThird · June 26, 2006, 4:30pm

[quote]Adamsson wrote:
KBCThird wrote:
supermick wrote:

Why is our gene pool infected with peasants like you???

BAHAHAHAHA oh, sorry my lord, I didn’t realize we had ROYALTY in the house. Listen pal, if you wanna argue about arches, fine. If you wanna talk about gear, it’s been done to death and that wasn’t even the point of what most people were criticizing her for at first.

But if THIS is the level of response I’m going to get, forget it. I really dont care if you call me a peasant - unlike you I’ve got thick enough skin not to care what somebody on the internet thinks of me - but at least ADDRESS THE MAIN ISSUE OF THIS THREAD ie kara’s video. This is the last time I’m bothering to respond to a post of yours that doesnt have a shred of intelligence in it.

You are aware of the simple fact that YOU started the name calling… right?
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Absolutely, completely aware. I stand by my comment and I make no apologies for them. What I am saying however, is that if you want to make a point in support of an argument AND call me names, I’m fine with that, I will respond to the argument. If someone JUST wants to tell me to marry my sister, without including any points in support of his argument, well, thats just not worth responding to.

As far as your points, I dont DISagree with anything you’ve said. My point isnt that the IPF has more drug users, or fewer or just as many as any other federation. My point is that it’s INTELLECTUALLY DISHONEST to have a drug-tested fed that isnt drug-free. I would rather go to a competition that has a “dont ask, dont tell” policy on roids than one that tests but also has a few suspicious guys. That’s all I’m saying about it.

Furthermore, I think you have the second best point in this entire thread when you say "Cut benchshirt, cut squat suit… cut deadlift suit, allow knee wraps, handwraps and belt. Demand blow parallell squats, stop in the bottom of the bench… that is about it… But that won’t happen, so i guess I’ll just lift, get stronger and be happy… "

That is an attitude I dont think anyone would want to (or be able to) argue with. Awesome.

And, as usual, RickJames has the best points on the thread. Giving Kara all the credit in the world and at the same time pointing out that her max grip reducing the ROM more than his max grip would, everything evening out in a full meet (ie the short armed big-bellied guy who cant dead,) Single ply shirts “only” giving 100 lbs, etc etc.

Jared, lemme know if you get my PM. I tried PMing you about nerb a month ago and it didnt work.

Adamsson · June 26, 2006, 4:39pm

[quote]KBCThird wrote:
Adamsson wrote:
KBCThird wrote:
supermick wrote: