Kanye West is a Douche

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[quote]Uncle Gabby wrote:
Getting Closer wrote:

There are not many artists that do more than Jay-Z to promote albums, lately he’s on TV almost 24/7 and he wants that attention but thats costing a lot of money, what Kanye did was free and got millions of people talking about him. They just have different methods of getting attention

I agree, to a point. Jay-Z is on TV a lot partly because he gets paid handsomely to appear in commercials. Maybe you didn’t see this superbowl commerical he did for Budweiser. I guarantee you he got paid an obscene amount of money for this:

He doesn’t pay but gets paid for this kind of attention. That is because he handles himself with class, has a beautiful wife, and therefore any person or product associated with him rises in social status as a result.

For the sake of argument, I’ll admit I went to far when I used the word forgotten. But Kanye acts like a douche, because he is a douche. Other than occaisionally listening to Late Registration I don’t really give a shit about Kanye West one way or the other. He makes more money and gets more pussy than me, so obviously he can get away with his douche-baggery. Good for him. But people in this thread (Professor X) try to cover for him by claiming that his making an ass of himself is some brilliant publicity move on his part. That is ridiculous. [/quote]

That actually wasn’t the point. Whether he thought this out beforehand or not, the fact still stands that the RESULT of those actions is still going to be even more notoriety. That goes for him and Ms. Swift because I truly didn’t even know who the hell she was before this.

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LOL @ “relevant”. What the hell is that supposed to mean anyway? Does that have something to do with the level of influence or something? Album sales? Best message? This is music, you are either selling records or you’re not.

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I just think Kanye needs to get a filter between his head and his mouth.

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[quote]WolBarret wrote:
MaximusB wrote:
WolBarret wrote:
MaximusB wrote:
WolBarret wrote:
TDub301 wrote:
WolBarret wrote:
Do you white guys actually listen to Rap/Hip Hop or do you just say you do so you can look cool?

What do you mean “you white guys?” Huh? What’s that supposed to mean sir?

I must confess I haven’t heard his 3rd album yet (the one that 50 said if it sold more copies he’d retire then didn’t, right?) But I have his first 2 and I was pretty dissapointed with both of them, to be honest. It seems he does his best shit on other people’s albums, just like Timbaland (I also have a few of his albums and was also dissapointed, a lot)

When I say “you white guys”, I mean you white male members of T-Nation who are posting in this thread who listen to Hip Hop/Rap.

Do you guys actually listen to Rap music? Do you actually take the time to digest the lyrics and understand what people are saying? Or do you just like rap because its the cool thing to do?

Yes some of us listen to the lyrics and try to digest what is being said.

Wolbarret, I know you as Wolbarret, not the black guy named Wolbarret, know what I mean?

I’ll save my questions for another thread. If I say what I want to say, things will go down hill.

And I know you as MaximusB, the guy with the Gladiator avatar. Not as MaximusB, the guy who stalks T-vixens.

I am going to have to ask you to please clarify your last sentence.

Its a joke, Maximus. Calm down, sir. Why so serious?[/quote]

Sorry dude, I couldn’t tell with this being the internet and all.

I think we all have to take people on their own merits and not presume anything, Lord knows there are bad examples with everything and everyone.

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[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
LOL @ “relevant”. What the hell is that supposed to mean anyway? Does that have something to do with the level of influence or something? Album sales? Best message? This is music, you are either selling records or you’re not.[/quote]

I gather it as saying that certain music isn’t important enough…and for some strange reason a genre of music that sells as well as Hip Hop seems to get that more than anything else on this site when the discussion of music pops up.

Because some guy named Tom on a website doesn’t listen to it, it is therefore not relevant to ALL music.

You see, they are THAT important.

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I do want to say this…

For those who think Kanye is a no good talent, you have little to no knowledge on true talent and should limit your commenting to a minimum. Regardless of his behavior, this guy has some of the best skills going on today. If you want to know what this guy went through, you should look into his car accident which broke his jaw really badly and nearly killed him. I admire the fight this guy had to go through to come back, not to mention how he presented this story in his lyrics. This guy really knows how to tell a story.

http://www.notablebiographies.com/news/Sh-Z/West-Kanye.html

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[quote]WolBarret wrote:
Do you white guys actually listen to Rap/Hip Hop or do you just say you do so you can look cool?[/quote]

C’mon you know it’s cool to listen to “Underground” Rappers who rap that “real shit”, about moving Bricks back and forth to mexico. Funny how Kanye is these guys favorite rapper’s favorite rapper.

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[quote]bmbweber wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
bmbweber wrote:
He has some nice beats but his lyrics suck my balls.

If popular music was what it was in the mid 90’s guys like West, Lil Wayne and Soulja boy would’ve never gotten a record deal.

If you knew what the fuck you are talking about, you would know rappers like Lil Wayne DID get records deals in the 90’s… Early 90’s at that. Its because of him that hip hop and basically all of music evolved to how it is today.

And if he’s selling 1.5 million albums in 1 week, and winning 4 grammy’s in one night, i dont think your opinion matters.

If you knew what the fuck you were talking about you’d know that Lil Wayne signed with Cash Money and rapped with the Hot Boys which didn’t come into prominence until the late 90’s. Get your facts straight before you talk shit and make an ass of yourself.

Lil Wayne signed with Cash Money in 1991, therefore signing a record deal. He was a fuckin millionaire by the age of 15, before starting the Hot Boys. Cash Money + Lil Wayne + 1991 = Record Deal in the early 90’s… Whats so hard to figure out?

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What? Where are you getting that info? He signed with the HOT BOYS in 97’, not 91’. He signed when he was 15, not 9. Check your facts man.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
bmbweber wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
bmbweber wrote:
He has some nice beats but his lyrics suck my balls.

If popular music was what it was in the mid 90’s guys like West, Lil Wayne and Soulja boy would’ve never gotten a record deal.

If you knew what the fuck you are talking about, you would know rappers like Lil Wayne DID get records deals in the 90’s… Early 90’s at that. Its because of him that hip hop and basically all of music evolved to how it is today.

And if he’s selling 1.5 million albums in 1 week, and winning 4 grammy’s in one night, i dont think your opinion matters.

If you knew what the fuck you were talking about you’d know that Lil Wayne signed with Cash Money and rapped with the Hot Boys which didn’t come into prominence until the late 90’s. Get your facts straight before you talk shit and make an ass of yourself.

Lil Wayne signed with Cash Money in 1991, therefore signing a record deal. He was a fuckin millionaire by the age of 15, before starting the Hot Boys. Cash Money + Lil Wayne + 1991 = Record Deal in the early 90’s… Whats so hard to figure out?

What? Where are you getting that info? He signed with the HOT BOYS in 97’, not 91’. He signed when he was 15, not 9. Check your facts man.[/quote]

He signed with CASH MONEY in 1991, not the Hot Boys. Read. Then joined the Hot Boys who were then also signed by Cash Money.

And yes, his record deal was at the young age of 9. He grouped up with BIG Goochie and released their first group effort called TRU Story Nigga under the name of the “BG’z” when he was 12… Trust me, my facts are straight.

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[quote]Airtruth wrote:
WolBarret wrote:
Do you white guys actually listen to Rap/Hip Hop or do you just say you do so you can look cool?

C’mon you know it’s cool to listen to “Underground” Rappers who rap that “real shit”, about moving Bricks back and forth to mexico. Funny how Kanye is these guys favorite rapper’s favorite rapper.[/quote]

I thought that was Young Jeezy…at least that’s what he says.

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Retarded thread of the month award

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[quote]bmbweber wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
bmbweber wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
bmbweber wrote:
He has some nice beats but his lyrics suck my balls.

If popular music was what it was in the mid 90’s guys like West, Lil Wayne and Soulja boy would’ve never gotten a record deal.

If you knew what the fuck you are talking about, you would know rappers like Lil Wayne DID get records deals in the 90’s… Early 90’s at that. Its because of him that hip hop and basically all of music evolved to how it is today.

And if he’s selling 1.5 million albums in 1 week, and winning 4 grammy’s in one night, i dont think your opinion matters.

If you knew what the fuck you were talking about you’d know that Lil Wayne signed with Cash Money and rapped with the Hot Boys which didn’t come into prominence until the late 90’s. Get your facts straight before you talk shit and make an ass of yourself.

Lil Wayne signed with Cash Money in 1991, therefore signing a record deal. He was a fuckin millionaire by the age of 15, before starting the Hot Boys. Cash Money + Lil Wayne + 1991 = Record Deal in the early 90’s… Whats so hard to figure out?

What? Where are you getting that info? He signed with the HOT BOYS in 97’, not 91’. He signed when he was 15, not 9. Check your facts man.

He signed with CASH MONEY in 1991, not the Hot Boys. Read. Then joined the Hot Boys who were then also signed by Cash Money.

And yes, his record deal was at the young age of 9. He grouped up with BIG Goochie and released their first group effort called TRU Story Nigga under the name of the “BG’z” when he was 12… Trust me, my facts are straight.
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Just cause he rapped on the label owners answering machine doesn’t mean he had a deal. His major label debut was actually in 99’ with the Hot Boys on Guerilla Warfare. We can do this all day. My point is the guy sucks.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
The question is, “so fucking what”? You don’t see tons of black dudes on this site bad mouthing the music some of you listen to, even though some of it is flat out strange. It never fails though that if a thread is started about a hip hop artist, some guy is going to log on degrading either that artist or the entire genre when they really don’t even listen to the music. I doubt very many of you are truly listening to hip hop as your main source of music.

Likewise, I doubt very many black guys on this site ONLY listen to Hip Hop. My musical tastes are pretty damn broad which is why you won’t hear me degrading entire genres of music outside of joking about it.

So tell me…what makes guys like you do this?[/quote]

I have to agree with this statement. Why are people even questioning this mans music, when it was his character that showed the other night?

This went from “Kayne is a douchebag, racist for what he did…” to “His music sucks and so does his beats” that second statement is kinda irrelevant

I don’t like Kayne as a person and I do think he is a racist and his actions were very clear lastnight, however, his music is far from bad.

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[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
LOL @ “relevant”. What the hell is that supposed to mean anyway? Does that have something to do with the level of influence or something? Album sales? Best message? This is music, you are either selling records or you’re not.[/quote]

I’m not going to fully explain because it would take a discertation for people to truely understand how this thread is proof that rap MUSIC is lost.

What you said is just further proof that Rap has become irrelevant. People don’t even know what words mean anymore when associated with rap.

Relevant:
â??adjective
bearing upon or connected with the matter in hand; pertinent: a relevant remark.\

  1. With the exception of a select few party hits that are about nothing but partying majority of rap is about shit the rappers themselves dont do, haven’t seen, and never witnessed.

So to keep it short relevant is Asher Roth rhyming about college parties because he had fun at college parties, not little wayne rapping about shooting niggas down in the streets. Since it’s a little hard to believe considering he was on tour since he was 14. Maybe by some odd chance he was a drug lord at 11, but I just don’t see it. It seems like he was more like the customer.

(not directed at you lanky)If you don’t understand a lyric say so, if it pisses you off cool, but to quote a lyric deeper than anything your favorite rappers have said, then say he’s wack because of it is kind of ironic.

“Made us hate ourselves and love their wealth” Does not mean literally wealth as in tangible dollars. What he means is the majority of people he grew up around (black) will sacrafice their soul (kill each other, sell drugs on community playgrounds, spend their light bill on luis vatton purse) just so they can have the appearance of money ex. driving a 2006 benze living at home in the projects with your mom and no hot water.

Now that is an exagerrated example but his lyrics are relevant to the life he grew up on, like I said that line is deeper than all these “real rappers” lyrics that people want to throw out, and that was on a Commercial pop song.

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[quote]WolBarret wrote:
TDub301 wrote:
WolBarret wrote:
Do you white guys actually listen to Rap/Hip Hop or do you just say you do so you can look cool?

What do you mean “you white guys?” Huh? What’s that supposed to mean sir?

I must confess I haven’t heard his 3rd album yet (the one that 50 said if it sold more copies he’d retire then didn’t, right?) But I have his first 2 and I was pretty dissapointed with both of them, to be honest. It seems he does his best shit on other people’s albums, just like Timbaland (I also have a few of his albums and was also dissapointed, a lot)

When I say “you white guys”, I mean you white male members of T-Nation who are posting in this thread who listen to Hip Hop/Rap.

Do you guys actually listen to Rap music? Do you actually take the time to digest the lyrics and understand what people are saying? Or do you just like rap because its the cool thing to do?

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Just fuckin with you man, nothing serious. I don’t know about others, but I do listen to the lyrics, I normally keep a new album in the player 2 or 3 times through so I can get a good listen to everything before I take it out. Unless it’s just terrible. Which does happen more often than I would like or expect.

Also have to laugh at the guy who brought up Lil’ Wayne

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[quote]ALKoHoLiK wrote:
Professor X wrote:
The question is, “so fucking what”? You don’t see tons of black dudes on this site bad mouthing the music some of you listen to, even though some of it is flat out strange. It never fails though that if a thread is started about a hip hop artist, some guy is going to log on degrading either that artist or the entire genre when they really don’t even listen to the music. I doubt very many of you are truly listening to hip hop as your main source of music.

Likewise, I doubt very many black guys on this site ONLY listen to Hip Hop. My musical tastes are pretty damn broad which is why you won’t hear me degrading entire genres of music outside of joking about it.

So tell me…what makes guys like you do this?

I have to agree with this statement. Why are people even questioning this mans music, when it was his character that showed the other night?

This went from “Kayne is a douchebag, racist for what he did…” to “His music sucks and so does his beats” that second statement is kinda irrelevant

I don’t like Kayne as a person and I do think he is a racist and his actions were very clear lastnight, however, his music is far from bad.

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EMOTIONS

I got into an argument with a dude over things similar and trust me he was ready to fight, because he know his facts was wrong but he just hated the guy. Which is fine with me but don’t say he has no talent.

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She’s a terrible singer.

Also, why do you guys care, she’s not going to fuck you.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Uncle Gabby wrote:

For the sake of argument, I’ll admit I went to far when I used the word forgotten. But Kanye acts like a douche, because he is a douche. Other than occaisionally listening to Late Registration I don’t really give a shit about Kanye West one way or the other. He makes more money and gets more pussy than me, so obviously he can get away with his douche-baggery. Good for him. But people in this thread (Professor X) try to cover for him by claiming that his making an ass of himself is some brilliant publicity move on his part. That is ridiculous.

That actually wasn’t the point. Whether he thought this out beforehand or not, the fact still stands that the RESULT of those actions is still going to be even more notoriety. That goes for him and Ms. Swift because I truly didn’t even know who the hell she was before this. [/quote]

But you and dirtbag did say this earlier:

Which implies that this was all planned out before hand to get more publicity/notoriety or whatever, and I’m not buying that for a second. Every “Kanye is a douche” incident points to the fact that acts on impulse, not that his actions are planned to achieve a result.

Also, let me keep harping on my Jay Z comparison. What is the result of Kanye’s notoriety? Will he ever be paid to endorce a product? Of course not. Jay Z got paid to sell Budweiser because he has very high social status, he has a reputation of being classy and successful and Budweiser gets status by associating with him. Kayne is known as a douche and a clown. No one will ever pay anything to be associated with that. People are proud to buy Jay Z’s album because it shows they are with it. People are almost ashamed to admit they listen to Kanye.

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[quote]Airtruth wrote:
EMOTIONS
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I know.

I mean I like some Hip Hop/Rap but I am far from a loyal fan. Music speaks to different people in different ways so I’m not going to bag on anyone that likes different shit.

I just find it funny that this went from a man and his character to his career in music making.

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[quote]LarryDavid wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
LarryDavid wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Off the top of my head I couldn’t name a single track by Kanye and I probably couldn’t pick him out of a line up.

Everyone going on about how he is a great musician or a great producer or whatever has to be on drugs. Nobody will remember him in 20 years. Within his genre he may well be relevent at the moment but the fact that he has to jump on a stage during someone elses acceptance speach just to make a headline shows how truly irrelevent he is on a wider scale.

Ignorance. I am sure I have friends who don’t give a shit about or even know who Alter Bridge is. I happen to think they may be more talented than most groups over the last 5 years or more as far as that genre. It would make as much sense for them to degrade Alter Bridge because they don’t even listen to their music or know they exist.

Some of you are flat out retarded. Yay, you don’t listen to hip hop. Please tell me why this means the genre sucks or that specific musicians that many people love have no talent.

I happen to be a musician and I like Kanye West’s stuff at least enough to note the man isn’t talentless. He has been around long enough to NOT be some one hit wonder, so again, tell me why YOU have the power to tell us what and who is relevant when you don’t even listen to the music?

I never said he was talentless, he is obviously talented at marketing himself and making money. He also obviously makes music that appeals to a large number of people. That doesn’t meant that it is particularly good musically it just means that he knows that certain hooks, riffs, beats and melodies coupled with the right image will sell.

I was in no way denigrating hip hop. There are some fantastically talented people in hip hop.

LOL @ the attempted self-edit

How so? I at no point said anything against hip-hop, I just said that I don’t think that Kanye is particularly memorable for his music and therefore is not likely to be seen as anything special when people look back in 20 years time.

The part about him being relevant “within his genre” but not in popular music as a whole. What does that imply about hip hop as a genre when one of it’s most relevant artists supposedly isn’t relevant in popular music (other than publicity stunts)? [/quote]

Not at all, I would say the same about any number of guitar bands or dance music acts. He is relevent at the mooment within his genre because he is selling lots of records and doing dickish things. Give it a few years and he will not even be seen as relevent within his genre let alone outside of it.