[quote]Professor X wrote:
tom63 wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Off the top of my head I couldn’t name a single track by Kanye and I probably couldn’t pick him out of a line up.
Everyone going on about how he is a great musician or a great producer or whatever has to be on drugs. Nobody will remember him in 20 years. Within his genre he may well be relevent at the moment but the fact that he has to jump on a stage during someone elses acceptance speach just to make a headline shows how truly irrelevent he is on a wider scale.
Yep. Especially to try to one up Taylor Switt or Swift or whoever she is. Neither are particullary relevant IMO.
Neither is anyone you like as an artist. In fact, name someone who isn’t some 20 year performer that has been around in only the last 10 years that you believe is “relevant”.
I would like to know the standards of those who feel their opinion weighs this heavily.[/quote]
Eminem - don’t think he is hugely talented but he is relevent for bringing a genre to the mainstream
White Stripes, Hives, Strokes - first bands to cross garage rock over into the mainstream
Mike Skinner of the Streets - Brought UK Garage to the forefront with his mix of poppy melodies, spoken rap in a working class accent and clever wordplay highlighting chav culture.
Dizzee Rascal - Combined Rap with UKG and a political message
Hilarious. Yes, he acted like a douche…which will in turn bring the girl he screwed with even MORE fame than she had previously if for no other reason than people feel sorry for her. they say there is no “bad” publicity in show business for a reason. Considering I have heard quotes from her on 3 different radio stations this morning, I am guessing she isn’t as torn up about this as she is happy people are paying more attention to her. [/quote]
Your above guess does not equal fact and is a suppositon.
Is it your conclusion that if something good happens from a bad action, then it partly absolves the person who did the bad action and the harm done is lessened?
Say you decided to compete in a show and you were awarded 1st place by the judges. If someone from the industry jumped on stage just as you were taking your place on the top stool and said to the crowd, that really so-and-so and not you should have won. How would you have felt?
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
WolBarret wrote:
TDub301 wrote:
WolBarret wrote:
Do you white guys actually listen to Rap/Hip Hop or do you just say you do so you can look cool?
What do you mean “you white guys?” Huh? What’s that supposed to mean sir?
I must confess I haven’t heard his 3rd album yet (the one that 50 said if it sold more copies he’d retire then didn’t, right?) But I have his first 2 and I was pretty dissapointed with both of them, to be honest. It seems he does his best shit on other people’s albums, just like Timbaland (I also have a few of his albums and was also dissapointed, a lot)
When I say “you white guys”, I mean you white male members of T-Nation who are posting in this thread who listen to Hip Hop/Rap.
Do you guys actually listen to Rap music? Do you actually take the time to digest the lyrics and understand what people are saying? Or do you just like rap because its the cool thing to do?
Yes some of us listen to the lyrics and try to digest what is being said.
Wolbarret, I know you as Wolbarret, not the black guy named Wolbarret, know what I mean?[/quote]
I’ll save my questions for another thread. If I say what I want to say, things will go down hill.
And I know you as MaximusB, the guy with the Gladiator avatar. Not as MaximusB, the guy who stalks T-vixens.
[quote]LarryDavid wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Off the top of my head I couldn’t name a single track by Kanye and I probably couldn’t pick him out of a line up.
Everyone going on about how he is a great musician or a great producer or whatever has to be on drugs. Nobody will remember him in 20 years. Within his genre he may well be relevent at the moment but the fact that he has to jump on a stage during someone elses acceptance speach just to make a headline shows how truly irrelevent he is on a wider scale.
Ignorance. I am sure I have friends who don’t give a shit about or even know who Alter Bridge is. I happen to think they may be more talented than most groups over the last 5 years or more as far as that genre. It would make as much sense for them to degrade Alter Bridge because they don’t even listen to their music or know they exist.
Some of you are flat out retarded. Yay, you don’t listen to hip hop. Please tell me why this means the genre sucks or that specific musicians that many people love have no talent.
I happen to be a musician and I like Kanye West’s stuff at least enough to note the man isn’t talentless. He has been around long enough to NOT be some one hit wonder, so again, tell me why YOU have the power to tell us what and who is relevant when you don’t even listen to the music?
I never said he was talentless, he is obviously talented at marketing himself and making money. He also obviously makes music that appeals to a large number of people. That doesn’t meant that it is particularly good musically it just means that he knows that certain hooks, riffs, beats and melodies coupled with the right image will sell.
I was in no way denigrating hip hop. There are some fantastically talented people in hip hop.
LOL @ the attempted self-edit [/quote]
How so? I at no point said anything against hip-hop, I just said that I don’t think that Kanye is particularly memorable for his music and therefore is not likely to be seen as anything special when people look back in 20 years time.
[quote]bmbweber wrote:
He has some nice beats but his lyrics suck my balls.
If popular music was what it was in the mid 90’s guys like West, Lil Wayne and Soulja boy would’ve never gotten a record deal.
If you knew what the fuck you are talking about, you would know rappers like Lil Wayne DID get records deals in the 90’s… Early 90’s at that. Its because of him that hip hop and basically all of music evolved to how it is today.
And if he’s selling 1.5 million albums in 1 week, and winning 4 grammy’s in one night, i dont think your opinion matters.
[/quote]
If you knew what the fuck you were talking about you’d know that Lil Wayne signed with Cash Money and rapped with the Hot Boys which didn’t come into prominence until the late 90’s. Get your facts straight before you talk shit and make an ass of yourself.
[quote]WolBarret wrote:
MaximusB wrote:
WolBarret wrote:
TDub301 wrote:
WolBarret wrote:
Do you white guys actually listen to Rap/Hip Hop or do you just say you do so you can look cool?
What do you mean “you white guys?” Huh? What’s that supposed to mean sir?
I must confess I haven’t heard his 3rd album yet (the one that 50 said if it sold more copies he’d retire then didn’t, right?) But I have his first 2 and I was pretty dissapointed with both of them, to be honest. It seems he does his best shit on other people’s albums, just like Timbaland (I also have a few of his albums and was also dissapointed, a lot)
When I say “you white guys”, I mean you white male members of T-Nation who are posting in this thread who listen to Hip Hop/Rap.
Do you guys actually listen to Rap music? Do you actually take the time to digest the lyrics and understand what people are saying? Or do you just like rap because its the cool thing to do?
Yes some of us listen to the lyrics and try to digest what is being said.
Wolbarret, I know you as Wolbarret, not the black guy named Wolbarret, know what I mean?
I’ll save my questions for another thread. If I say what I want to say, things will go down hill.
And I know you as MaximusB, the guy with the Gladiator avatar. Not as MaximusB, the guy who stalks T-vixens.[/quote]
Say what you want to say! I want to hear it. please
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Off the top of my head I couldn’t name a single track by Kanye and I probably couldn’t pick him out of a line up.
^^doesn’t compute with…
Everyone going on about how he is a great musician or a great producer or whatever has to be on drugs.
OK maybe I didn’t phrase that very well. I am vaguely aware of Kanye west and his music. I am sure that his music is playing in clubs when I am there it is just that he doesn’t stand out enough for me to care. There are a number of Hip Hop artists who are to my ear hugely talented and really stand out. For me, he is not one of them.
I know music is about taste and certain music that I listen to wouldn’t be to other people on here’s taste however there are a number of artists who transcend their genre and really change people’s conception of that genre. To me Kanye is not one of them.
The question is, “so fucking what”? You don’t see tons of black dudes on this site bad mouthing the music some of you listen to, even though some of it is flat out strange. It never fails though that if a thread is started about a hip hop artist, some guy is going to log on degrading either that artist or the entire genre when they really don’t even listen to the music. I doubt very many of you are truly listening to hip hop as your main source of music.
Likewise, I doubt very many black guys on this site ONLY listen to Hip Hop. My musical tastes are pretty damn broad which is why you won’t hear me degrading entire genres of music outside of joking about it.
So tell me…what makes guys like you do this?[/quote]
When did I denigrate an entire genre of music? I just said that I don’t find Kanye to be particluarly memorable. I know other people might have in the past jumped all over hip hop, and you are right, they are stupid to have done that.
[quote]mcstoots082 wrote:
WolBarret wrote:
MaximusB wrote:
WolBarret wrote:
TDub301 wrote:
WolBarret wrote:
Do you white guys actually listen to Rap/Hip Hop or do you just say you do so you can look cool?
What do you mean “you white guys?” Huh? What’s that supposed to mean sir?
I must confess I haven’t heard his 3rd album yet (the one that 50 said if it sold more copies he’d retire then didn’t, right?) But I have his first 2 and I was pretty dissapointed with both of them, to be honest. It seems he does his best shit on other people’s albums, just like Timbaland (I also have a few of his albums and was also dissapointed, a lot)
When I say “you white guys”, I mean you white male members of T-Nation who are posting in this thread who listen to Hip Hop/Rap.
Do you guys actually listen to Rap music? Do you actually take the time to digest the lyrics and understand what people are saying? Or do you just like rap because its the cool thing to do?
Yes some of us listen to the lyrics and try to digest what is being said.
Wolbarret, I know you as Wolbarret, not the black guy named Wolbarret, know what I mean?
I’ll save my questions for another thread. If I say what I want to say, things will go down hill.
And I know you as MaximusB, the guy with the Gladiator avatar. Not as MaximusB, the guy who stalks T-vixens.
Say what you want to say! I want to hear it. please[/quote]
It isn’t worth it. It involved Sodomy, the State of Texas, and Taylor Swift.
[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
LarryDavid wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Off the top of my head I couldn’t name a single track by Kanye and I probably couldn’t pick him out of a line up.
Everyone going on about how he is a great musician or a great producer or whatever has to be on drugs. Nobody will remember him in 20 years. Within his genre he may well be relevent at the moment but the fact that he has to jump on a stage during someone elses acceptance speach just to make a headline shows how truly irrelevent he is on a wider scale.
Ignorance. I am sure I have friends who don’t give a shit about or even know who Alter Bridge is. I happen to think they may be more talented than most groups over the last 5 years or more as far as that genre. It would make as much sense for them to degrade Alter Bridge because they don’t even listen to their music or know they exist.
Some of you are flat out retarded. Yay, you don’t listen to hip hop. Please tell me why this means the genre sucks or that specific musicians that many people love have no talent.
I happen to be a musician and I like Kanye West’s stuff at least enough to note the man isn’t talentless. He has been around long enough to NOT be some one hit wonder, so again, tell me why YOU have the power to tell us what and who is relevant when you don’t even listen to the music?
I never said he was talentless, he is obviously talented at marketing himself and making money. He also obviously makes music that appeals to a large number of people. That doesn’t meant that it is particularly good musically it just means that he knows that certain hooks, riffs, beats and melodies coupled with the right image will sell.
I was in no way denigrating hip hop. There are some fantastically talented people in hip hop.
LOL @ the attempted self-edit
How so? I at no point said anything against hip-hop, I just said that I don’t think that Kanye is particularly memorable for his music and therefore is not likely to be seen as anything special when people look back in 20 years time.[/quote]
The part about him being relevant “within his genre” but not in popular music as a whole. What does that imply about hip hop as a genre when one of it’s most relevant artists supposedly isn’t relevant in popular music (other than publicity stunts)?
[quote]WolBarret wrote:
TDub301 wrote:
WolBarret wrote:
Do you white guys actually listen to Rap/Hip Hop or do you just say you do so you can look cool?
What do you mean “you white guys?” Huh? What’s that supposed to mean sir?
I must confess I haven’t heard his 3rd album yet (the one that 50 said if it sold more copies he’d retire then didn’t, right?) But I have his first 2 and I was pretty dissapointed with both of them, to be honest. It seems he does his best shit on other people’s albums, just like Timbaland (I also have a few of his albums and was also dissapointed, a lot)
When I say “you white guys”, I mean you white male members of T-Nation who are posting in this thread who listen to Hip Hop/Rap.
Do you guys actually listen to Rap music? Do you actually take the time to digest the lyrics and understand what people are saying? Or do you just like rap because its the cool thing to do?
[/quote]
Not sure who this was directed at specifically, but it’s kinda fucked up Wol. I myself listen to a lot of different genres of music. One of my favorites is rap/ hip hop, and I’m not talking about nursery rhyme club anthems, but legitimate hip hop with lyrical content representive of a cognitive thought process. The only “name” rapper that I can think of that’s come around in the last few years that’s worth a shit is Lupe Fiasco. All these other clowns [ I think I mentioned West, Lil Wayne and Soulja Boy as examples earlier] are garbage and get by on catchy hooks and nice beats. When “A Milli” comes on I’ll nod my head to the beat ‘cause it thumps, but if you stop and listen to what’s being said you realize that this retard is just throwing shit that rhymes together with little to no thought involved. He’s not telling a story or painting a verbal picture, he’s just tossin’ silly words together and not making sense. That pretty much describes current mainstream hip hop in a nutshell.
[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
LarryDavid wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Off the top of my head I couldn’t name a single track by Kanye and I probably couldn’t pick him out of a line up.
Everyone going on about how he is a great musician or a great producer or whatever has to be on drugs. Nobody will remember him in 20 years. Within his genre he may well be relevent at the moment but the fact that he has to jump on a stage during someone elses acceptance speach just to make a headline shows how truly irrelevent he is on a wider scale.
Ignorance. I am sure I have friends who don’t give a shit about or even know who Alter Bridge is. I happen to think they may be more talented than most groups over the last 5 years or more as far as that genre. It would make as much sense for them to degrade Alter Bridge because they don’t even listen to their music or know they exist.
Some of you are flat out retarded. Yay, you don’t listen to hip hop. Please tell me why this means the genre sucks or that specific musicians that many people love have no talent.
I happen to be a musician and I like Kanye West’s stuff at least enough to note the man isn’t talentless. He has been around long enough to NOT be some one hit wonder, so again, tell me why YOU have the power to tell us what and who is relevant when you don’t even listen to the music?
I never said he was talentless, he is obviously talented at marketing himself and making money. He also obviously makes music that appeals to a large number of people. That doesn’t meant that it is particularly good musically it just means that he knows that certain hooks, riffs, beats and melodies coupled with the right image will sell.
I was in no way denigrating hip hop. There are some fantastically talented people in hip hop.
LOL @ the attempted self-edit
How so? I at no point said anything against hip-hop, I just said that I don’t think that Kanye is particularly memorable for his music and therefore is not likely to be seen as anything special when people look back in 20 years time.[/quote]
You said he was relevant “within his genre” but not otherwise, unless you account for his stunts. What does that say about hip hop’s relevance?
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
bmbweber wrote:
He has some nice beats but his lyrics suck my balls.
If popular music was what it was in the mid 90’s guys like West, Lil Wayne and Soulja boy would’ve never gotten a record deal.
If you knew what the fuck you are talking about, you would know rappers like Lil Wayne DID get records deals in the 90’s… Early 90’s at that. Its because of him that hip hop and basically all of music evolved to how it is today.
And if he’s selling 1.5 million albums in 1 week, and winning 4 grammy’s in one night, i dont think your opinion matters.
If you knew what the fuck you were talking about you’d know that Lil Wayne signed with Cash Money and rapped with the Hot Boys which didn’t come into prominence until the late 90’s. Get your facts straight before you talk shit and make an ass of yourself.[/quote]
Lil Wayne signed with Cash Money in 1991, therefore signing a record deal. He was a fuckin millionaire by the age of 15, before starting the Hot Boys. Cash Money + Lil Wayne + 1991 = Record Deal in the early 90’s… Whats so hard to figure out?
[quote]WolBarret wrote:
TDub301 wrote:
WolBarret wrote:
Do you white guys actually listen to Rap/Hip Hop or do you just say you do so you can look cool?
What do you mean “you white guys?” Huh? What’s that supposed to mean sir?
I must confess I haven’t heard his 3rd album yet (the one that 50 said if it sold more copies he’d retire then didn’t, right?) But I have his first 2 and I was pretty dissapointed with both of them, to be honest. It seems he does his best shit on other people’s albums, just like Timbaland (I also have a few of his albums and was also dissapointed, a lot)
When I say “you white guys”, I mean you white male members of T-Nation who are posting in this thread who listen to Hip Hop/Rap.
Do you guys actually listen to Rap music? Do you actually take the time to digest the lyrics and understand what people are saying? Or do you just like rap because its the cool thing to do?
[/quote]
I used to listen to hip hop/rap quite a bit for a long time. I gravitated more towards artists like Common and The Roots, ATCQ, De La … You know, hip hop artists that actually made albums rather than a couple banging singles and a bunch of filler. There haven’t been too many hip hop new hip hop artists to come out in recent years that really whet my appetite and a lot of the older ones have lost what it was that made me want to listen to them and buy their albums.
A lot of it had to do with shit like what Kanye pulled.
It’s kind of like pancakes. I used to eat the shit out of them … then I discovered that waffles were far superior in flavor, texture and overall quality. I’m not saying I shun all things pancakes, but waffles ARE the superior choice. I will say this, on nights that I’ve had a bit too much to drink I think about calling pancakes before I go to bed just to hear them breathing then hang up when they threaten to call the cops. Then when I wake up I thank God that I found waffles…
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
WolBarret wrote:
TDub301 wrote:
WolBarret wrote:
Do you white guys actually listen to Rap/Hip Hop or do you just say you do so you can look cool?
What do you mean “you white guys?” Huh? What’s that supposed to mean sir?
I must confess I haven’t heard his 3rd album yet (the one that 50 said if it sold more copies he’d retire then didn’t, right?) But I have his first 2 and I was pretty dissapointed with both of them, to be honest. It seems he does his best shit on other people’s albums, just like Timbaland (I also have a few of his albums and was also dissapointed, a lot)
When I say “you white guys”, I mean you white male members of T-Nation who are posting in this thread who listen to Hip Hop/Rap.
Do you guys actually listen to Rap music? Do you actually take the time to digest the lyrics and understand what people are saying? Or do you just like rap because its the cool thing to do?
Not sure who this was directed at specifically, but it’s kinda fucked up Wol. I myself listen to a lot of different genres of music. One of my favorites is rap/ hip hop, and I’m not talking about nursery rhyme club anthems, but legitimate hip hop with lyrical content representive of a cognitive thought process. The only “name” rapper that I can think of that’s come around in the last few years that’s worth a shit is Lupe Fiasco. All these other clowns [ I think I mentioned West, Lil Wayne and Soulja Boy as examples earlier] are garbage and get by on catchy hooks and nice beats. When “A Milli” comes on I’ll nod my head to the beat ‘cause it thumps, but if you stop and listen to what’s being said you realize that this retard is just throwing shit that rhymes together with little to no thought involved. He’s not telling a story or painting a verbal picture, he’s just tossin’ silly words together and not making sense. That pretty much describes current mainstream hip hop in a nutshell.[/quote]
Sometimes you have to ask the difficult questions to get these kind of answers. I’ve just found that most white people who listen to hip hop/rap music do it for show. There was no ill intent when I asked the question.
[quote]WolBarret wrote:
MaximusB wrote:
WolBarret wrote:
TDub301 wrote:
WolBarret wrote:
Do you white guys actually listen to Rap/Hip Hop or do you just say you do so you can look cool?
What do you mean “you white guys?” Huh? What’s that supposed to mean sir?
I must confess I haven’t heard his 3rd album yet (the one that 50 said if it sold more copies he’d retire then didn’t, right?) But I have his first 2 and I was pretty dissapointed with both of them, to be honest. It seems he does his best shit on other people’s albums, just like Timbaland (I also have a few of his albums and was also dissapointed, a lot)
When I say “you white guys”, I mean you white male members of T-Nation who are posting in this thread who listen to Hip Hop/Rap.
Do you guys actually listen to Rap music? Do you actually take the time to digest the lyrics and understand what people are saying? Or do you just like rap because its the cool thing to do?
Yes some of us listen to the lyrics and try to digest what is being said.
Wolbarret, I know you as Wolbarret, not the black guy named Wolbarret, know what I mean?
I’ll save my questions for another thread. If I say what I want to say, things will go down hill.
And I know you as MaximusB, the guy with the Gladiator avatar. Not as MaximusB, the guy who stalks T-vixens.[/quote]
I am going to have to ask you to please clarify your last sentence.
There are not many artists that do more than Jay-Z to promote albums, lately he’s on TV almost 24/7 and he wants that attention but thats costing a lot of money, what Kanye did was free and got millions of people talking about him. They just have different methods of getting attention[/quote]
I agree, to a point. Jay-Z is on TV a lot partly because he gets paid handsomely to appear in commercials. Maybe you didn’t see this superbowl commerical he did for Budweiser. I guarantee you he got paid an obscene amount of money for this:
He doesn’t pay but gets paid for this kind of attention. That is because he handles himself with class, has a beautiful wife, and therefore any person or product associated with him rises in social status as a result.
For the sake of argument, I’ll admit I went to far when I used the word forgotten. But Kanye acts like a douche, because he is a douche. Other than occaisionally listening to Late Registration I don’t really give a shit about Kanye West one way or the other. He makes more money and gets more pussy than me, so obviously he can get away with his douche-baggery. Good for him. But people in this thread (Professor X) try to cover for him by claiming that his making an ass of himself is some brilliant publicity move on his part. That is ridiculous.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
WolBarret wrote:
MaximusB wrote:
WolBarret wrote:
TDub301 wrote:
WolBarret wrote:
Do you white guys actually listen to Rap/Hip Hop or do you just say you do so you can look cool?
What do you mean “you white guys?” Huh? What’s that supposed to mean sir?
I must confess I haven’t heard his 3rd album yet (the one that 50 said if it sold more copies he’d retire then didn’t, right?) But I have his first 2 and I was pretty dissapointed with both of them, to be honest. It seems he does his best shit on other people’s albums, just like Timbaland (I also have a few of his albums and was also dissapointed, a lot)
When I say “you white guys”, I mean you white male members of T-Nation who are posting in this thread who listen to Hip Hop/Rap.
Do you guys actually listen to Rap music? Do you actually take the time to digest the lyrics and understand what people are saying? Or do you just like rap because its the cool thing to do?
Yes some of us listen to the lyrics and try to digest what is being said.
Wolbarret, I know you as Wolbarret, not the black guy named Wolbarret, know what I mean?
I’ll save my questions for another thread. If I say what I want to say, things will go down hill.
And I know you as MaximusB, the guy with the Gladiator avatar. Not as MaximusB, the guy who stalks T-vixens.
I am going to have to ask you to please clarify your last sentence.[/quote]
Its a joke, Maximus. Calm down, sir. Why so serious?
Kanye is a great producer, but I hate some of his lyrics. “They made us hate ourselves and love they wealth.” So if wealth is evil, would he say that poverty is preferable? Dude ruined the whole song with that verse. And, even though he is a great producer, he is not on Timbaland’s and Dr. Dre’s level. He is good not legendary.