You’re obviously talentless when you can only sell 8 million albums
[quote]tom63 wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Off the top of my head I couldn’t name a single track by Kanye and I probably couldn’t pick him out of a line up.
Everyone going on about how he is a great musician or a great producer or whatever has to be on drugs. Nobody will remember him in 20 years. Within his genre he may well be relevent at the moment but the fact that he has to jump on a stage during someone elses acceptance speach just to make a headline shows how truly irrelevent he is on a wider scale.
Yep. Especially to try to one up Taylor Switt or Swift or whoever she is. Neither are particullary relevant IMO. [/quote]
Neither is anyone you like as an artist. In fact, name someone who isn’t some 20 year performer that has been around in only the last 10 years that you believe is “relevant”.
I would like to know the standards of those who feel their opinion weighs this heavily.
[quote]WolBarret wrote:
Do you white guys actually listen to Rap/Hip Hop or do you just say you do so you can look cool?[/quote]
Are you kidding? They probably rolled into work this morning playing Method man and Red man just like me…you know, they are REAL hip hop lovers. That’s how they know what is relevant.
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Off the top of my head I couldn’t name a single track by Kanye and I probably couldn’t pick him out of a line up.
^^doesn’t compute with…
Everyone going on about how he is a great musician or a great producer or whatever has to be on drugs.
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OK maybe I didn’t phrase that very well. I am vaguely aware of Kanye west and his music. I am sure that his music is playing in clubs when I am there it is just that he doesn’t stand out enough for me to care. There are a number of Hip Hop artists who are to my ear hugely talented and really stand out. For me, he is not one of them.
I know music is about taste and certain music that I listen to wouldn’t be to other people on here’s taste however there are a number of artists who transcend their genre and really change people’s conception of that genre. To me Kanye is not one of them.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Off the top of my head I couldn’t name a single track by Kanye and I probably couldn’t pick him out of a line up.
Everyone going on about how he is a great musician or a great producer or whatever has to be on drugs. Nobody will remember him in 20 years. Within his genre he may well be relevent at the moment but the fact that he has to jump on a stage during someone elses acceptance speach just to make a headline shows how truly irrelevent he is on a wider scale.
Ignorance. I am sure I have friends who don’t give a shit about or even know who Alter Bridge is. I happen to think they may be more talented than most groups over the last 5 years or more as far as that genre. It would make as much sense for them to degrade Alter Bridge because they don’t even listen to their music or know they exist.
Some of you are flat out retarded. Yay, you don’t listen to hip hop. Please tell me why this means the genre sucks or that specific musicians that many people love have no talent.
I happen to be a musician and I like Kanye West’s stuff at least enough to note the man isn’t talentless. He has been around long enough to NOT be some one hit wonder, so again, tell me why YOU have the power to tell us what and who is relevant when you don’t even listen to the music?[/quote]
I never said he was talentless, he is obviously talented at marketing himself and making money. He also obviously makes music that appeals to a large number of people. That doesn’t meant that it is particularly good musically it just means that he knows that certain hooks, riffs, beats and melodies coupled with the right image will sell.
I was in no way denigrating hip hop. There are some fantastically talented people in hip hop.
[quote]WolBarret wrote:
Do you white guys actually listen to Rap/Hip Hop or do you just say you do so you can look cool?[/quote]
What do you mean “you white guys?” Huh? What’s that supposed to mean sir?
I must confess I haven’t heard his 3rd album yet (the one that 50 said if it sold more copies he’d retire then didn’t, right?) But I have his first 2 and I was pretty dissapointed with both of them, to be honest. It seems he does his best shit on other people’s albums, just like Timbaland (I also have a few of his albums and was also dissapointed, a lot)
[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Off the top of my head I couldn’t name a single track by Kanye and I probably couldn’t pick him out of a line up.
Everyone going on about how he is a great musician or a great producer or whatever has to be on drugs. Nobody will remember him in 20 years. Within his genre he may well be relevent at the moment but the fact that he has to jump on a stage during someone elses acceptance speach just to make a headline shows how truly irrelevent he is on a wider scale.
Ignorance. I am sure I have friends who don’t give a shit about or even know who Alter Bridge is. I happen to think they may be more talented than most groups over the last 5 years or more as far as that genre. It would make as much sense for them to degrade Alter Bridge because they don’t even listen to their music or know they exist.
Some of you are flat out retarded. Yay, you don’t listen to hip hop. Please tell me why this means the genre sucks or that specific musicians that many people love have no talent.
I happen to be a musician and I like Kanye West’s stuff at least enough to note the man isn’t talentless. He has been around long enough to NOT be some one hit wonder, so again, tell me why YOU have the power to tell us what and who is relevant when you don’t even listen to the music?
I never said he was talentless, he is obviously talented at marketing himself and making money. He also obviously makes music that appeals to a large number of people. That doesn’t meant that it is particularly good musically it just means that he knows that certain hooks, riffs, beats and melodies coupled with the right image will sell.
I was in no way denigrating hip hop. There are some fantastically talented people in hip hop.[/quote]
LOL @ the attempted self-edit
[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Off the top of my head I couldn’t name a single track by Kanye and I probably couldn’t pick him out of a line up.
^^doesn’t compute with…
Everyone going on about how he is a great musician or a great producer or whatever has to be on drugs.
OK maybe I didn’t phrase that very well. I am vaguely aware of Kanye west and his music. I am sure that his music is playing in clubs when I am there it is just that he doesn’t stand out enough for me to care. There are a number of Hip Hop artists who are to my ear hugely talented and really stand out. For me, he is not one of them.
I know music is about taste and certain music that I listen to wouldn’t be to other people on here’s taste however there are a number of artists who transcend their genre and really change people’s conception of that genre. To me Kanye is not one of them.
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The question is, “so fucking what”? You don’t see tons of black dudes on this site bad mouthing the music some of you listen to, even though some of it is flat out strange. It never fails though that if a thread is started about a hip hop artist, some guy is going to log on degrading either that artist or the entire genre when they really don’t even listen to the music. I doubt very many of you are truly listening to hip hop as your main source of music.
Likewise, I doubt very many black guys on this site ONLY listen to Hip Hop. My musical tastes are pretty damn broad which is why you won’t hear me degrading entire genres of music outside of joking about it.
So tell me…what makes guys like you do this?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
WolBarret wrote:
Do you white guys actually listen to Rap/Hip Hop or do you just say you do so you can look cool?
Are you kidding? They probably rolled into work this morning playing Method man and Red man just like me…you know, they are REAL hip hop lovers. That’s how they know what is relevant.[/quote]
Hell, they’re harder than I am. I listen Rick James and The Who when I go to work. I guess I should downgrade my black card.
Recently, I have seen the whitest kids singing rap lyrics and talking like they were a character on the Dave Chappelle show.
“What you know bout this right here? This that real shit. Fuck yo Couch. Fuck yo couch”.
I even had one white kid making the gravest error possible: Nigga, what? You can’t cover me. I’m untouchable, son.
None of these comments were directed at me or any black people. These kids were playing Call of Duty and Madden online and felt the need to show how hood they were.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Off the top of my head I couldn’t name a single track by Kanye and I probably couldn’t pick him out of a line up.
Everyone going on about how he is a great musician or a great producer or whatever has to be on drugs. Nobody will remember him in 20 years. Within his genre he may well be relevent at the moment but the fact that he has to jump on a stage during someone elses acceptance speach just to make a headline shows how truly irrelevent he is on a wider scale.
Ignorance. I am sure I have friends who don’t give a shit about or even know who Alter Bridge is. I happen to think they may be more talented than most groups over the last 5 years or more as far as that genre. It would make as much sense for them to degrade Alter Bridge because they don’t even listen to their music or know they exist.
Some of you are flat out retarded. Yay, you don’t listen to hip hop. Please tell me why this means the genre sucks or that specific musicians that many people love have no talent.
I happen to be a musician and I like Kanye West’s stuff at least enough to note the man isn’t talentless. He has been around long enough to NOT be some one hit wonder, so again, tell me why YOU have the power to tell us what and who is relevant when you don’t even listen to the music?[/quote]
What instrument you play X?
[quote]mcstoots082 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Off the top of my head I couldn’t name a single track by Kanye and I probably couldn’t pick him out of a line up.
Everyone going on about how he is a great musician or a great producer or whatever has to be on drugs. Nobody will remember him in 20 years. Within his genre he may well be relevent at the moment but the fact that he has to jump on a stage during someone elses acceptance speach just to make a headline shows how truly irrelevent he is on a wider scale.
Ignorance. I am sure I have friends who don’t give a shit about or even know who Alter Bridge is. I happen to think they may be more talented than most groups over the last 5 years or more as far as that genre. It would make as much sense for them to degrade Alter Bridge because they don’t even listen to their music or know they exist.
Some of you are flat out retarded. Yay, you don’t listen to hip hop. Please tell me why this means the genre sucks or that specific musicians that many people love have no talent.
I happen to be a musician and I like Kanye West’s stuff at least enough to note the man isn’t talentless. He has been around long enough to NOT be some one hit wonder, so again, tell me why YOU have the power to tell us what and who is relevant when you don’t even listen to the music?
What instrument you play X?[/quote]
The Foot-in-ass-aphone. It’s heavy, man. Real fucking heavy.
[quote]sen say wrote:
Otep wrote:
Someone needs to use their trophy to club him like a baby seal.
I hat those fucking baby seals! [/quote]
Me too.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
tom63 wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Off the top of my head I couldn’t name a single track by Kanye and I probably couldn’t pick him out of a line up.
Everyone going on about how he is a great musician or a great producer or whatever has to be on drugs. Nobody will remember him in 20 years. Within his genre he may well be relevent at the moment but the fact that he has to jump on a stage during someone elses acceptance speach just to make a headline shows how truly irrelevent he is on a wider scale.
Yep. Especially to try to one up Taylor Switt or Swift or whoever she is. Neither are particullary relevant IMO.
Neither is anyone you like as an artist. In fact, name someone who isn’t some 20 year performer that has been around in only the last 10 years that you believe is “relevant”.
I would like to know the standards of those who feel their opinion weighs this heavily.[/quote]
No, that’s just wrong. The way people measure the relevance of an artist has changed, new artists are as relevant as ever. You can’t measure an artists relevance through albums sales, or something like how much of an audience they draw on a television appearance or anything like that. Media has changed A LOT in the past ten years. NO RAPPERS WILL OUTSELL TUPAC AND EMINEM. But that doesn’t mean there haven’t been new figures in hip hop that are at the same level of relevance.
And another thing. Notice how you guys are probably older than 25, maybe even 30 years? I know you may still listen to new music, but keep in mind the older you get the less culturally relevant music made for young people becomes to YOU. And you do not speak for society when you claim an artists relevance.
EDIT: And it’s funny how these posts came in a thread about Kanye West, he’s probably THE MOST relevant artists around today.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
mcstoots082 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Off the top of my head I couldn’t name a single track by Kanye and I probably couldn’t pick him out of a line up.
Everyone going on about how he is a great musician or a great producer or whatever has to be on drugs. Nobody will remember him in 20 years. Within his genre he may well be relevent at the moment but the fact that he has to jump on a stage during someone elses acceptance speach just to make a headline shows how truly irrelevent he is on a wider scale.
Ignorance. I am sure I have friends who don’t give a shit about or even know who Alter Bridge is. I happen to think they may be more talented than most groups over the last 5 years or more as far as that genre. It would make as much sense for them to degrade Alter Bridge because they don’t even listen to their music or know they exist.
Some of you are flat out retarded. Yay, you don’t listen to hip hop. Please tell me why this means the genre sucks or that specific musicians that many people love have no talent.
I happen to be a musician and I like Kanye West’s stuff at least enough to note the man isn’t talentless. He has been around long enough to NOT be some one hit wonder, so again, tell me why YOU have the power to tell us what and who is relevant when you don’t even listen to the music?
What instrument you play X?
The Foot-in-ass-aphone. It’s heavy, man. Real fucking heavy.[/quote]
LOL well I play the skin flute but I been working on the Guitar lately. I am like a black belt at skin flute though so it will always be my main instrument.
[quote]TDub301 wrote:
WolBarret wrote:
Do you white guys actually listen to Rap/Hip Hop or do you just say you do so you can look cool?
What do you mean “you white guys?” Huh? What’s that supposed to mean sir?
I must confess I haven’t heard his 3rd album yet (the one that 50 said if it sold more copies he’d retire then didn’t, right?) But I have his first 2 and I was pretty dissapointed with both of them, to be honest. It seems he does his best shit on other people’s albums, just like Timbaland (I also have a few of his albums and was also dissapointed, a lot)[/quote]
When I say “you white guys”, I mean you white male members of T-Nation who are posting in this thread who listen to Hip Hop/Rap.
Do you guys actually listen to Rap music? Do you actually take the time to digest the lyrics and understand what people are saying? Or do you just like rap because its the cool thing to do?
I just saw the video and am going to say my peace.
I am not going to address the issue of race, because personally I could care less about the color of a man’s skin.
Have white musicians in the past degraded women in their music? Hell yes, Motley Crue, Def Leppard, Bon Jovi, and a host of other rock bands used tits and ass to help make their fame. Have white musicians gone on stage and interrupted someone while they were receiving an award? Yes, David Lee Roth totally upstaged Beck years ago when he was receiving an award.
Personally, I don’t think this should be a race issue, because a number of people from different races have used similar strategies and behaviors. It is no better or worse when either a black or white musician employ the same tactics. It should be deemed equally right or wrong.
I am sure Kanye did this, not to personally spite Taylor Swift, I think it’s just Kanye being Kanye. I don’t think it was appropriate what he did, but that’s me.
Sometimes I wished I lived during another point in time, because I cannot imagine behaving like this. If I did something like this, there would be a line of my family waiting to personally kick my ass when I got home, and there is nothing like getting smacked with a spaghetti strainer.
[quote]WolBarret wrote:
TDub301 wrote:
WolBarret wrote:
Do you white guys actually listen to Rap/Hip Hop or do you just say you do so you can look cool?
What do you mean “you white guys?” Huh? What’s that supposed to mean sir?
I must confess I haven’t heard his 3rd album yet (the one that 50 said if it sold more copies he’d retire then didn’t, right?) But I have his first 2 and I was pretty dissapointed with both of them, to be honest. It seems he does his best shit on other people’s albums, just like Timbaland (I also have a few of his albums and was also dissapointed, a lot)
When I say “you white guys”, I mean you white male members of T-Nation who are posting in this thread who listen to Hip Hop/Rap.
Do you guys actually listen to Rap music? Do you actually take the time to digest the lyrics and understand what people are saying? Or do you just like rap because its the cool thing to do?
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you know I admit to not being a fan of “Gangsta Rap” but some of the party songs are great i am 27 now so the stuff i can name is older like Nelly with his air force ones, or ludacris one more drink is funny. I try to stay away from negative songs or music because I think when you expose yourself to that shit it rubs off on ya.
And actually lately I have been exposed to Govt mule and Grateful dead as well as widespread panic.
[quote]WolBarret wrote:
TDub301 wrote:
WolBarret wrote:
Do you white guys actually listen to Rap/Hip Hop or do you just say you do so you can look cool?
What do you mean “you white guys?” Huh? What’s that supposed to mean sir?
I must confess I haven’t heard his 3rd album yet (the one that 50 said if it sold more copies he’d retire then didn’t, right?) But I have his first 2 and I was pretty dissapointed with both of them, to be honest. It seems he does his best shit on other people’s albums, just like Timbaland (I also have a few of his albums and was also dissapointed, a lot)
When I say “you white guys”, I mean you white male members of T-Nation who are posting in this thread who listen to Hip Hop/Rap.
Do you guys actually listen to Rap music? Do you actually take the time to digest the lyrics and understand what people are saying? Or do you just like rap because its the cool thing to do?
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Yes some of us listen to the lyrics and try to digest what is being said.
Wolbarret, I know you as Wolbarret, not the black guy named Wolbarret, know what I mean?
He has some nice beats but his lyrics suck my balls.
If popular music was what it was in the mid 90’s guys like West, Lil Wayne and Soulja boy would’ve never gotten a record deal.
If you knew what the fuck you are talking about, you would know rappers like Lil Wayne DID get records deals in the 90’s… Early 90’s at that. Its because of him that hip hop and basically all of music evolved to how it is today.
And if he’s selling 1.5 million albums in 1 week, and winning 4 grammy’s in one night, i dont think your opinion matters.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
mcstoots082 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Off the top of my head I couldn’t name a single track by Kanye and I probably couldn’t pick him out of a line up.
Everyone going on about how he is a great musician or a great producer or whatever has to be on drugs. Nobody will remember him in 20 years. Within his genre he may well be relevent at the moment but the fact that he has to jump on a stage during someone elses acceptance speach just to make a headline shows how truly irrelevent he is on a wider scale.
Ignorance. I am sure I have friends who don’t give a shit about or even know who Alter Bridge is. I happen to think they may be more talented than most groups over the last 5 years or more as far as that genre. It would make as much sense for them to degrade Alter Bridge because they don’t even listen to their music or know they exist.
Some of you are flat out retarded. Yay, you don’t listen to hip hop. Please tell me why this means the genre sucks or that specific musicians that many people love have no talent.
I happen to be a musician and I like Kanye West’s stuff at least enough to note the man isn’t talentless. He has been around long enough to NOT be some one hit wonder, so again, tell me why YOU have the power to tell us what and who is relevant when you don’t even listen to the music?
What instrument you play X?
The Foot-in-ass-aphone. It’s heavy, man. Real fucking heavy.[/quote]
So seriously am I to understand that you play the Saxaphone? or some other kinda aphone?