[quote]Professor X wrote:
mcstoots082 wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
mcstoots082 wrote:
You just justify his argument about black rappers by trying to continue arguing with him. Hyperbole is fine if that is the reaction you want but it doesnt mean that you are intelligent in your use of it. I am saying honestly tell me the last time a white heavy metal performer did this and the race roles were switched.
Dude,ignorant blanket statements…that include race are fucking stupid regardless who is making them. That is the point X is making…I guess you didn’t follow when that point was made by my post as well. Get a grip…I don’t see you worried about the original poster’s ignorant comment.
The original poster gets what he deserves, you dont make it right by making an equally retarded statement about a different race.
LOL. Fucking hypocrite. You won’t call out the guy who started talking about race by making huge generalizations but you will call out the people that called him out?
Do you share a brain with someone else and this is your day off?[/quote]
No X I am sorry to burst your bubble. But, you state ment doesnt offend me on a race level just on the white heavy metal level. I think you guys both have issues with racial stuff so I dont care to argue that I say to you though honestly show me where a white heavy metal artist did anything similar. The original guy said some dumb shit but me not being a rap fan it doesnt bother me, infact if you take the black out of his statement I would agree with it because to many “rap” groups disrespect women and other culters. Like calling them all bitches and hoes that kinda thing it aint cool.
If popular music was what it was in the mid 90’s guys like West, Lil Wayne and Soulja boy would’ve never gotten a record deal. That’s just the Gods honest truth. The guy is terrible.
You forgot the fact that Kanye’s biggest talent is making those nice beats you mentioned. This alone would still make him relevant and sought after by the “more talented” artist…rappers,singers,etc.
I can’t stand his behavior or his attitude…but I can’t sit here and say he’s not talented than most in certain aspects…especially when it comes to producing music. It’s like the same thing with Pharrell…sucks as an artist…but you know the rest.
Alcohol obviously doesn’t bode well with over-inflated egos…such a fool. Kanye’s gonna end up like that guy on The Soloist…lol.
Yeah, but honestly are his beats THAT good? There’s probably at least a hundred kids in my city alone that can make better beats, they just haven’t been found. If he just up and disappeared would anyone really notice, or would the next cat come in and fill his musical shoes as people slowly [or quickly] forgot about him?
Considering he’s had the only relevant rap album since 2pac/biggie days YES people would notice. All the hundreds of kids in your city that make beats for parties for all the basketball players that are beter then Jordan won’t ever be found.
You don’t like him fine. He’s an Ass fine, He got a big ego fine. But if you like hip hop you sound like a fool saying Kanye doesn’t have beats and lyrics, about the only place he goes wrong is trying to make depressed r&b albums. He doesn’t even spit about guns and crime and still comes off harder than all the kids in your city. [/quote]
You are out of your mind. Yeah he’s got decent beats, but hey’re just decent and his lyrics are garbage. GARBAGE. And the fact that you think he’s had the only relevant hip hop album since the Pac/Biggie days shows you really need to venture out more, musically speaking.
How can you say he would already be forgotten? He’s recently had a hit album and you do know that he layed the groundwork for Jay Z Blueprint 3 which is one of the most anticipated albums of the year right?[/quote]
Does he get attention for his music, or is celebrity based entirely on his douche-baggery? It’s great that you brought up Jay Z. Jay Z gets more attention than he probably even wants, based entirely on his musical talent. He probably has to go to extrodinary measures to have anything resembling a private life. Kanye can only get people to look at him by making a complete ass of himself. He sells records, but in the years between his albums the spotlight would fizzle as soon as his album slid off the charts.
[quote]mcstoots082 wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
mcstoots082 wrote:
Fuck it I quit!
Long live blue grass and mountain music. Wherever there are jugs and spoons there can be music.
And change your damn avatar! What’s up with that shit?
LOL that is why your hating on me huh? I thought that was a texas flag is it?[/quote]
Haha…yes,a TX flag…I’m not hating on you. But seriously,what X said wasn’t meant to be taken serious. It was an example of how easy it is to say ignorant statements that include generalizations of a particular group. He made that clear…but you missed it. I don’t have an issue with race…just ignorance. And I love heavy metal…I believe X does too.
Anyway X I am white but more importantly a huge heavy metal fan and I am sick of people blaming Metal for people killing people and other bad things that happen. I am not really racist I hate everyone equally. I am sorry I made you all hate me, not really though. X anytime you come to ohio hit me up I think you need a hug and it may help me out too so then i can understand you and your posts a lot better. Yes this is an invite. Till next time, good day sir. You to big boss. It is hard to understand sarcasm sometimes over a computer. Oh, well.
How can you say he would already be forgotten? He’s recently had a hit album and you do know that he layed the groundwork for Jay Z Blueprint 3 which is one of the most anticipated albums of the year right?
Does he get attention for his music, or is celebrity based entirely on his douche-baggery? It’s great that you brought up Jay Z. Jay Z gets more attention than he probably even wants, based entirely on his musical talent. He probably has to go to extrodinary measures to have anything resembling a private life. Kanye can only get people to look at him by making a complete ass of himself. He sells records, but in the years between his albums the spotlight would fizzle as soon as his album slid off the charts.[/quote]
There are not many artists that do more than Jay-Z to promote albums, lately he’s on TV almost 24/7 and he wants that attention but thats costing a lot of money, what Kanye did was free and got millions of people talking about him.
[quote]mcstoots082 wrote:
Anyway X I am white but more importantly a huge heavy metal fan and I am sick of people blaming Metal for people killing people and other bad things that happen. I am not really racist I hate everyone equally. I am sorry I made you all hate me, not really though. X anytime you come to ohio hit me up I think you need a hug and it may help me out too so then i can understand you and your posts a lot better. Yes this is an invite. Till next time, good day sir. You to big boss. It is hard to understand sarcasm sometimes over a computer. Oh, well.[/quote]
[quote]mcstoots082 wrote:
It is hard to understand sarcasm sometimes over a computer. Oh, well.[/quote]
Random person says “Ignorant racist comment.”
Prof. X says “Similar ignorant racist comment, but change the race (and in this case, genre of music also) to demonstrate how ignorant the original comment was.”
[quote]mcstoots082 wrote:
Getting Closer wrote:
mcstoots082 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
JSMaxwell wrote:
You mean a black hip hop/R&B performer did something classless and disrespectful to a woman? I’m shocked…shocked I say.
Someone making a ignorant generalization with no basis is shocking as well.
Well, you know all of those classy and respectful white heavy metal performers just fill up the airwaves making the distinction so easy.
Oh god, when was the last time a white heavy metal performer rushed the stage and took over a teenage black girls acceptance speech at any music awards show, and said a white girl that was up for the award deserved it more? Come on man, if you want to get racial with it at least put it in perspective.
Why would you say it has anything to do about race, he thought that Beyonce was more deserving which I agree with anyway.
You must not understand that Beyonce then went on to get the best music video award. The award Beyonce got is a better award then what the country singer got. So basically Kanye was a dick about something that was going to be righted anyway by Beyonce getting the better award.[/quote]
And then Beyonce brought Taylor back on to the stage.
Off the top of my head I couldn’t name a single track by Kanye and I probably couldn’t pick him out of a line up.
Everyone going on about how he is a great musician or a great producer or whatever has to be on drugs. Nobody will remember him in 20 years. Within his genre he may well be relevent at the moment but the fact that he has to jump on a stage during someone elses acceptance speach just to make a headline shows how truly irrelevent he is on a wider scale.
Kayne, who? And, something Swift? The other day this lady hit the gas and stole a parking spot I was obviously waiting on. She’s yet to release an apology to the media. However, Beyonce did give me her parking spot!
[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
Off the top of my head I couldn’t name a single track by Kanye and I probably couldn’t pick him out of a line up.
Everyone going on about how he is a great musician or a great producer or whatever has to be on drugs. Nobody will remember him in 20 years. Within his genre he may well be relevent at the moment but the fact that he has to jump on a stage during someone elses acceptance speach just to make a headline shows how truly irrelevent he is on a wider scale.
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Ignorance. I am sure I have friends who don’t give a shit about or even know who Alter Bridge is. I happen to think they may be more talented than most groups over the last 5 years or more as far as that genre. It would make as much sense for them to degrade Alter Bridge because they don’t even listen to their music or know they exist.
Some of you are flat out retarded. Yay, you don’t listen to hip hop. Please tell me why this means the genre sucks or that specific musicians that many people love have no talent.
I happen to be a musician and I like Kanye West’s stuff at least enough to note the man isn’t talentless. He has been around long enough to NOT be some one hit wonder, so again, tell me why YOU have the power to tell us what and who is relevant when you don’t even listen to the music?
I give Kanye credit for making catchy beats, but I don’t like how he has to use old songs to do it most of the time. To the one who said he is a true musician, I laugh at that. A true musician doesn’t need to rehash old music like he does (not all the time, but too much to get credit for being a musician at least) Pharrel, Timbo, Dre, none of them do that (often). But Kanye seems to do it with every single he puts out.
With that being said, this douchebaggery is nothing new for him. He’s been doing it since he was popular (probably before, we just didn’t know about it). At this point, I’m not sure why people care any more. Same song and dance for him.
Hahaha, someone said he had the only relevent album since Tupac and Biggie were around… had to laugh at that one, too.
[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
Off the top of my head I couldn’t name a single track by Kanye and I probably couldn’t pick him out of a line up.
Everyone going on about how he is a great musician or a great producer or whatever has to be on drugs. Nobody will remember him in 20 years. Within his genre he may well be relevent at the moment but the fact that he has to jump on a stage during someone elses acceptance speach just to make a headline shows how truly irrelevent he is on a wider scale.
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Yep. Especially to try to one up Taylor Switt or Swift or whoever she is. Neither are particullary relevant IMO.