Thank you, internets:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
Professor X wrote:
ComixGuy wrote:
Professor X wrote:
That actually wasn’t the point. Whether he thought this out beforehand or not, the fact still stands that the RESULT of those actions is still going to be even more notoriety. That goes for him and Ms. Swift because I truly didn’t even know who the hell she was before this.
To Prof X:
Is it your conclusion that if something good happens from a bad action, then it partly absolves the person who did the bad action and the harm done is lessened? Because that is what you are seemingly saying.
Why is this so hard to understand? He’s a fucking entertainer. So is Ms. Swift. They LIVE for publicity and you can GUARAN-FUCKING-TEE her manager is making the most of this situation by getting her name out there more. Was it a dick move? Yes. Does that mean a fucking thing in the grand scheme of things considering what these people do for a living? NO.
LOL at “bad action”. It was a lame ass award ceremony that hasn’t been worth watching in about ten years and he upstaged her. Big fucking deal. I sure won’t be losing sleep over this tonight.
Say you decided to compete in a show and you were awarded 1st place by the judges. If someone well-known from the industry jumped on stage just as you were taking your place on the top stool and said to the crowd, that really so-and-so and not you should have won. How would you have felt at the time towards the industry person?
Would it have made you feel any better if you got product endorsements from the the notoriety of it? Would that have changed your mind about the industry person?
For the record, I don’t like either performer’s work.
Dude, if someone fucked with me I would be upset. If it in turn worked out for me, I would be fucking happy. If I were an entertainer, I would already be aware that controversy breeds celebrity.
One of the main reasons the world knows who Beyonce is happens to be due to all of the drama within the group Destiny’s Child when her father kicked out the other two girls. If that had not happened, I doubt she would be where she is today because she would not have stood out as much.
Anyone who doesn’t understand this is a toy of the entertainment industry.
OH. MY. GOD. He did not “upstage” her. Upstaging somebody is when you do something they do better than them. Vince Carter upstaged Tracy McGrady at the 2000 dunk contest. Kanye West took a young girls moment that had nothing to do with him and used it to force himself in the spotlight yet again under a fake cause. And it backfired horribly. He obviously didn’t think it would have done what it did, and now he feels bad for himself ‘cause people are starting to realize what a fuckin’ cocksucker he truly is. Point blank. End of story. Also, I’m from Houston and had no idea Knowles father kicked the others outta the group, and even if most people do that has little if anything to do with her celebrity. She was the face of one of pops biggest groups and was already doing Revlon and Pepsi [or Coke] commercials . The “Face” always moves on. Sting did it with the police, Justin Timberlake did it with N’SNYC and Knowles did it with Destinys child. That’s just the natural progression of things. Entertainers call it “outgrowing” or “branching out”, but it’s really about “making more money”.
Dude, if you lived in Houston and didn’t know that her father kicked the others out the group, that is because you either didn’t follow the music or didn’t pay attention. That was quite a bit of controversy with those two girls threatening to sue, later trying to start their own group and failing miserably at it. They then had try out for replacements, hired two new girls and then kicked them out too.
All of that drama pushed Beyonce to the front of headlines getting her name out there. before that, they were simply known as a group, not by individual names.
The fact that you didn’t know this makes me wonder why you are arguing.[/quote]
I vaguely rmember that now, but the other members were an afterthought to begin with. The fact that you’re unwilling to admit that Beyonce was already doing adds AND movies before she left the group has me wondering why you’re arguing. She was already a “star”. Also, Kelly is the finest of the group.
I might be getting them mixed up, but isn’t/wasn’t Kelly the skinniest in the group? Beyonce’s got some nice curves on her, skinny girls can’t match things like that. Visions of that Beyonce and Shakira video flit my memory often…
Also, people acting like Taylor Swift was a nobody are morons. Had I not been dating my girlfriend [who listens to country] I probably wouldn’t know who she is, but the girl won that award and was only one of two acts to sell out the Houston Livestock Show and Rodeo this past year, and she sold out two months in advance. For those who don’t understand how significant that is she sold out the Texans stadium during the biggest rodeo in the world. This thing goes on for 2 or 3 weeks every year, draws 100,000’s of people and makes damn near billions. Think it’s safe to say she’ll stick around.
[quote]TDub301 wrote:
I might be getting them mixed up, but isn’t/wasn’t Kelly the skinniest in the group? Beyonce’s got some nice curves on her, skinny girls can’t match things like that. Visions of that Beyonce and Shakira video flit my memory often…[/quote]
She was the darkest one. She did a duet with Nelly. She’s finer’n frogs hair.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Also, people acting like Taylor Swift was a nobody are morons. Had I not been dating my girlfriend [who listens to country] I probably wouldn’t know who she is, but the girl won that award and was only one of two acts to sell out the Houston Livestock Show and Rodeo this past year, and she sold out two months in advance. For those who don’t understand how significant that is she sold out the Texans stadium during the biggest rodeo in the world. This thing goes on for 2 or 3 weeks every year, draws 100,000’s of people and makes damn near billions. Think it’s safe to say she’ll stick around.[/quote]
Yeah, TS is a pretty big deal. I thought it was funny that X claimed you weren’t paying attention to music because you didn’t remember the whole Beyonce/Destiny’s Child controversy (which was probably 5+ years ago), but he IS paying attention and doesn’t even know who Taylor Swift is.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
TDub301 wrote:
I might be getting them mixed up, but isn’t/wasn’t Kelly the skinniest in the group? Beyonce’s got some nice curves on her, skinny girls can’t match things like that. Visions of that Beyonce and Shakira video flit my memory often…
She was the darkest one. She did a duet with Nelly. She’s finer’n frogs hair.[/quote]
I think beyonce is very happy that in your eyes she can’t compare to frog hair.
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
Also, people acting like Taylor Swift was a nobody are morons. Had I not been dating my girlfriend [who listens to country] I probably wouldn’t know who she is, but the girl won that award and was only one of two acts to sell out the Houston Livestock Show and Rodeo this past year, and she sold out two months in advance. For those who don’t understand how significant that is she sold out the Texans stadium during the biggest rodeo in the world. This thing goes on for 2 or 3 weeks every year, draws 100,000’s of people and makes damn near billions. Think it’s safe to say she’ll stick around.
Yeah, TS is a pretty big deal.[/quote] NOW
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Thank you, internets:
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I just saw that on Digg, and that was to soon!
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
I simply find it amusing that you say something like “The word has been used to make arguments for and against Kanye, but the guys making arguments against him are wrong, that’s all” but then say something like “And if I like any of those artists (which I do), Dr. Dre is relevant” which implies relevance is based on opinion. How can someone elses opinion be wrong?
I don’t know, it still seems like a cool buzzword used for making an argument.
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I was referring to the poster who said he wasn’t relevant (“outside of his genre”) and would not be relevant in the future. He admittedly wasn’t a hip hop fan and only “vaguely” knew some songs. And judging by his avatar I was assuming he was quite a bit older than me (maybe 10 years?). Age doesn’t always mean you won’t understand new music, but I figured in that case it was a factor. There might have been other posters that mentioned his relevance but I didn’t notice. In that quote I shouldn’t have said “posters” in place of “poster”. My bad. At least the rest of the post made sense :D.
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
FTR, I think you’re one of the better 09 posters, so in my opinion you’re relevant. On the other hand, X is one of the worst 02 posters, so he’s probably not relevant.
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LOL at least we agree on X ;).
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
Also, people acting like Taylor Swift was a nobody are morons. Had I not been dating my girlfriend [who listens to country] I probably wouldn’t know who she is, but the girl won that award and was only one of two acts to sell out the Houston Livestock Show and Rodeo this past year, and she sold out two months in advance. For those who don’t understand how significant that is she sold out the Texans stadium during the biggest rodeo in the world. This thing goes on for 2 or 3 weeks every year, draws 100,000’s of people and makes damn near billions. Think it’s safe to say she’ll stick around.
Yeah, TS is a pretty big deal. NOW
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Guy, did you not read what you quoted?
[quote]LarryDavid wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
LarryDavid wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
LOL @ “relevant”. What the hell is that supposed to mean anyway? Does that have something to do with the level of influence or something? Album sales? Best message? This is music, you are either selling records or you’re not.
Relevence is about how you influence other artists and how you dig out a space for yourself in music.
The New York Dolls for instance sold a shit load less records than Kanye has however they have a million times more relevence in terms of their influence on modern music.
I’ve misjudged you. The New York Dolls are/were awesome, and I’m surprised to find someone else here is a fan.
And Lanky, if you think importance is limited to selling records, that you don’t know a damn thing about music at all. At all. You seem like one of the smarter posters here too, it’s just surprising you’d have such a shortsighted post.
Relevance, to me, just seems like a cool buzzword to use when trying to make an argument for or against an artist you like or dislike. We’ve already seen 4 peoples different definitions of what it means to be “relevant”. For some people, Kanye’s lyrics might speak to them. For them, his music is relevant. For me, it’s not. The word relevant is relative. At the end of the day, in this thread, all it’s being used for is to make an argument for or against Kanye.
Are the Beastie Boys relevant? They’re legends in the hip hop world but I haven’t heard them rap about anything in the past 10 years, they just ryhme words. At the same time, I’d have a problem calling legendary hip hop artists irrelevant.
The word has been used to make arguments for and against Kanye, but the guys making arguments against him are wrong, that’s all. There are plenty of ways to be relevant, if you’ve heard different definitions they may all be right. I don’t see how it’s a buzzword, have you heard it outside of this thread. As a matter of fact, I think me and Cockney Blue were the only people really arguing about Kanye on those terms but maybe I missed something. That’s why I assumed you were talking about me.
Relevance to me is just influence on popular music, and the way an artists reflects the nature of society and music at the time. That’s not a great explanation but I can’t think of anything better now.
And an artist can be relevant to someone even if that person isn’t a fan. I hate NWA, and Dr. Dre and that entire scene. But a lot of artists/groups were influenced by them, were associated with them, or followed the path they created while adding something. And if I like any of those artists (which I do), Dr. Dre is relevant.
While I don’t agree with you, that’s a hell of an example using the Beastie Boys. They’ve never been relevant to me personally (naturally, since I was born in 1990), but I always thought their early stuff was meant to parody the music landscape at the time. I mean songs like “Fight for Your Right” and “No Sleep Till Brooklyn” were satires of the heavy metal culture. I don’t know though, I never lived in the 80s. [/quote]
The Beastie Boys were awesome when I saw them live at Redding Festival in the 90s. Added to the atmosphere was the fact that they had a huge row with the Prodigy about the song Smack My Bitch Up. Both sets were really good.
Your a douche.
[quote]LarryDavid wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
I simply find it amusing that you say something like “The word has been used to make arguments for and against Kanye, but the guys making arguments against him are wrong, that’s all” but then say something like “And if I like any of those artists (which I do), Dr. Dre is relevant” which implies relevance is based on opinion. How can someone elses opinion be wrong?
I don’t know, it still seems like a cool buzzword used for making an argument.
I was referring to the poster who said he wasn’t relevant (“outside of his genre”) and would not be relevant in the future. He admittedly wasn’t a hip hop fan and only “vaguely” knew some songs. And judging by his avatar I was assuming he was quite a bit older than me (maybe 10 years?). Age doesn’t always mean you won’t understand new music, but I figured in that case it was a factor. There might have been other posters that mentioned his relevance but I didn’t notice. In that quote I shouldn’t have said “posters” in place of “poster”. My bad. At least the rest of the post made sense :D.
LankyMofo wrote:
FTR, I think you’re one of the better 09 posters, so in my opinion you’re relevant. On the other hand, X is one of the worst 02 posters, so he’s probably not relevant.
LOL at least we agree on X ;).[/quote]
I look younger in person 
[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
The Beastie Boys were awesome when I saw them live at Redding Festival in the 90s. Added to the atmosphere was the fact that they had a huge row with the Prodigy about the song Smack My Bitch Up. Both sets were really good.[/quote]
LOL, it actually didn’t cross my mind that that song might have been about hip hop. Ouch.
[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
LarryDavid wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
I simply find it amusing that you say something like “The word has been used to make arguments for and against Kanye, but the guys making arguments against him are wrong, that’s all” but then say something like “And if I like any of those artists (which I do), Dr. Dre is relevant” which implies relevance is based on opinion. How can someone elses opinion be wrong?
I don’t know, it still seems like a cool buzzword used for making an argument.
I was referring to the poster who said he wasn’t relevant (“outside of his genre”) and would not be relevant in the future. He admittedly wasn’t a hip hop fan and only “vaguely” knew some songs. And judging by his avatar I was assuming he was quite a bit older than me (maybe 10 years?). Age doesn’t always mean you won’t understand new music, but I figured in that case it was a factor. There might have been other posters that mentioned his relevance but I didn’t notice. In that quote I shouldn’t have said “posters” in place of “poster”. My bad. At least the rest of the post made sense :D.
LankyMofo wrote:
FTR, I think you’re one of the better 09 posters, so in my opinion you’re relevant. On the other hand, X is one of the worst 02 posters, so he’s probably not relevant.
LOL at least we agree on X ;).
I look younger in person :-([/quote]
haha sorry about that. I’m only 18 so I hadn’t pegged you as being really old anyway.
Kanye West Twitter page a few hours ago -
@kanyewest YO PATRICK SWAYZE I KNOW YOU JUST DIED AND ALL & IMMA LET U FINISH… BUT MICHAEL JACKSONS DEATH WAS THE BEST ONE THIS YEAR
Micheal Jackson was an incredible entertainer. He was also a pedophile and a drug addict.
[quote]johnson575 wrote:
He was also a pedophile and a drug addict.[/quote]
What proof do you have that Michael Jackson was a pedophile? He never was found guilty on either charges.
He was prescribed these drugs by a doctor? He overdosed and he was a “drug addict”. What proof do you have? Also I have heard of a ton of people getting drunk off their ass on beer (which is a drug is it not?) yet you don’t call them addicts
It makes me mad that this man was a great entertainer and then you have people that read half truths and post it like it’s THE truth.
Holy shit I’m glad he is dead, hopefully the poor man can gets some damn peace
Being accused once and settling out of court is one thing… But three times…? Seriously? It’s people so drawn in by celebrity that baffle me. He was prescribed the drug that killed him by that ONE doctor, but he had over 20 different prescriptions from various doctors. I bet you believe that people that take oxycontin for sprained ankles are not in the wrong also. He WAS a great entertainer. Human being? Not so much.