[quote]ALKoHoLiK wrote:
LOL[/quote]
BAHAHAHAHAHA
Win.
[quote]LarryDavid wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
LarryDavid wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
LarryDavid wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Off the top of my head I couldn’t name a single track by Kanye and I probably couldn’t pick him out of a line up.
Everyone going on about how he is a great musician or a great producer or whatever has to be on drugs. Nobody will remember him in 20 years. Within his genre he may well be relevent at the moment but the fact that he has to jump on a stage during someone elses acceptance speach just to make a headline shows how truly irrelevent he is on a wider scale.
Ignorance. I am sure I have friends who don’t give a shit about or even know who Alter Bridge is. I happen to think they may be more talented than most groups over the last 5 years or more as far as that genre. It would make as much sense for them to degrade Alter Bridge because they don’t even listen to their music or know they exist.
Some of you are flat out retarded. Yay, you don’t listen to hip hop. Please tell me why this means the genre sucks or that specific musicians that many people love have no talent.
I happen to be a musician and I like Kanye West’s stuff at least enough to note the man isn’t talentless. He has been around long enough to NOT be some one hit wonder, so again, tell me why YOU have the power to tell us what and who is relevant when you don’t even listen to the music?
I never said he was talentless, he is obviously talented at marketing himself and making money. He also obviously makes music that appeals to a large number of people. That doesn’t meant that it is particularly good musically it just means that he knows that certain hooks, riffs, beats and melodies coupled with the right image will sell.
I was in no way denigrating hip hop. There are some fantastically talented people in hip hop.
LOL @ the attempted self-edit
How so? I at no point said anything against hip-hop, I just said that I don’t think that Kanye is particularly memorable for his music and therefore is not likely to be seen as anything special when people look back in 20 years time.
The part about him being relevant “within his genre” but not in popular music as a whole. What does that imply about hip hop as a genre when one of it’s most relevant artists supposedly isn’t relevant in popular music (other than publicity stunts)?
Not at all, I would say the same about any number of guitar bands or dance music acts. He is relevent at the mooment within his genre because he is selling lots of records and doing dickish things. Give it a few years and he will not even be seen as relevent within his genre let alone outside of it.
But would you say that about any massive bands? Like a band as big as Kanye West is in hip hop? A band like Black Sabbath? It doesn’t say much to say that you’d describe other artists that way. He is extremely important to the most vital genre in popular music today, and that alone should warrent his being relevant in the future and now. It’s not like hip hop is going away…
And if you don’t find him relevant that’s fine. A lot of Elvis fans didn’t really find rock bands in the 70s to be all that relevant, but they weren’t supposed to.
Which is to say I agree with you that he is relevant in his genre, I just feel like that alone ensures his relevance in popular music. Hip hop’s a big deal, man. I feel that this who argument may have been something of a minor misunderstanding…[/quote]
Oh come on, Black Sabbath defined a genre and influenced literally millions of musicians directly or indirectly, there is absolutely no comparison.
I would happily say it about a band like Cold Play. Very popular, sell lots of records based on being catchy. No way as talented as a number of other acts producing similar material. (Oh and Chris Matin is a Dick as well.)
[quote]LarryDavid wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
LOL @ “relevant”. What the hell is that supposed to mean anyway? Does that have something to do with the level of influence or something? Album sales? Best message? This is music, you are either selling records or you’re not.
Relevence is about how you influence other artists and how you dig out a space for yourself in music.
The New York Dolls for instance sold a shit load less records than Kanye has however they have a million times more relevence in terms of their influence on modern music.
I’ve misjudged you. The New York Dolls are/were awesome, and I’m surprised to find someone else here is a fan.
And Lanky, if you think importance is limited to selling records, that you don’t know a damn thing about music at all. At all. You seem like one of the smarter posters here too, it’s just surprising you’d have such a shortsighted post. [/quote]
What about Hanoi Rocks? How can you not like a band with a member called Nasty Suicide?
[quote]tom63 wrote:
yorik wrote:
Nate112 wrote:
man, who cares. Honestly. Your still going to listen to his music if you did already. He can be a douche, get over it.
Bullshit. I’m boycotting KW. I wrote my local radio station and told them I’m switching stations every time I hear a Kanye song.
They say you’re the average of the 5 people you hang out with the most, so Beyonce needs an upgrade. She needs to break that bitch.
Not that it matters, but why even have on a station that plays his music? Thank God for Sirius radio.[/quote]
That is why I love Pandora radio!
[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
LarryDavid wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
LarryDavid wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
LarryDavid wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Off the top of my head I couldn’t name a single track by Kanye and I probably couldn’t pick him out of a line up.
Everyone going on about how he is a great musician or a great producer or whatever has to be on drugs. Nobody will remember him in 20 years. Within his genre he may well be relevent at the moment but the fact that he has to jump on a stage during someone elses acceptance speach just to make a headline shows how truly irrelevent he is on a wider scale.
Ignorance. I am sure I have friends who don’t give a shit about or even know who Alter Bridge is. I happen to think they may be more talented than most groups over the last 5 years or more as far as that genre. It would make as much sense for them to degrade Alter Bridge because they don’t even listen to their music or know they exist.
Some of you are flat out retarded. Yay, you don’t listen to hip hop. Please tell me why this means the genre sucks or that specific musicians that many people love have no talent.
I happen to be a musician and I like Kanye West’s stuff at least enough to note the man isn’t talentless. He has been around long enough to NOT be some one hit wonder, so again, tell me why YOU have the power to tell us what and who is relevant when you don’t even listen to the music?
I never said he was talentless, he is obviously talented at marketing himself and making money. He also obviously makes music that appeals to a large number of people. That doesn’t meant that it is particularly good musically it just means that he knows that certain hooks, riffs, beats and melodies coupled with the right image will sell.
I was in no way denigrating hip hop. There are some fantastically talented people in hip hop.
LOL @ the attempted self-edit
How so? I at no point said anything against hip-hop, I just said that I don’t think that Kanye is particularly memorable for his music and therefore is not likely to be seen as anything special when people look back in 20 years time.
The part about him being relevant “within his genre” but not in popular music as a whole. What does that imply about hip hop as a genre when one of it’s most relevant artists supposedly isn’t relevant in popular music (other than publicity stunts)?
Not at all, I would say the same about any number of guitar bands or dance music acts. He is relevent at the mooment within his genre because he is selling lots of records and doing dickish things. Give it a few years and he will not even be seen as relevent within his genre let alone outside of it.
But would you say that about any massive bands? Like a band as big as Kanye West is in hip hop? A band like Black Sabbath? It doesn’t say much to say that you’d describe other artists that way. He is extremely important to the most vital genre in popular music today, and that alone should warrent his being relevant in the future and now. It’s not like hip hop is going away…
And if you don’t find him relevant that’s fine. A lot of Elvis fans didn’t really find rock bands in the 70s to be all that relevant, but they weren’t supposed to.
Which is to say I agree with you that he is relevant in his genre, I just feel like that alone ensures his relevance in popular music. Hip hop’s a big deal, man. I feel that this who argument may have been something of a minor misunderstanding…
Oh come on, Black Sabbath defined a genre and influenced literally millions of musicians directly or indirectly, there is absolutely no comparison.
I would happily say it about a band like Cold Play. Very popular, sell lots of records based on being catchy. No way as talented as a number of other acts producing similar material. (Oh and Chris Matin is a Dick as well.)[/quote]
Yeah, but hip hop is still pretty young compared to rock, and at this point an artist like Kanye West who has been so large a presence in the genre is bound to have a big influence on the future. I totally agree on the Coldplay thing, but part of that has to do with the stage rock is in now. Rock has exhausted a lot of it’s areas for innovation, that’s why the retro movement was big in rock for a while. Hip hop’s got a long time before superstars have no influence/relevence in the genre.
And as for Hanoi rocks, I haven’t really listened to their stuff but supposedly they were pretty influential themselves. i might have to check out their stuff, thanks for the reference.
[quote]ALKoHoLiK wrote:
LOL[/quote]
That video is the best thing to be caused by or related to MTV in a long time.
[quote]buffalokilla wrote:
ALKoHoLiK wrote:
LOL
That video is the best thing to be caused by or related to MTV in a long time.[/quote]
LMFAO!
P.S
Kanye West is a great producer. Is he good at rapping? Not really.
But listen to his album Graduation, some of the best rap songs Ive personally heard in a while.
Kanye on Jay Leno show.
[quote]lildave wrote:
Kanye on Jay Leno show. [/quote]
I really don’t know what to say. Jay Leno shut his ass down with the Mother comment, but he was valid about that.
If that wasnt real he should get a career in acting.
Hopefully he actually follows through with what he said.
[quote]WolBarret wrote:
lildave wrote:
Kanye on Jay Leno show.
I really don’t know what to say. Jay Leno shut his ass down with the Mother comment, but he was valid about that.[/quote]
Jay Leno made him cry like a little girl and then tapped him on the knee and sent him over to stage 2 to preform, did nobody else find that hilarious ?
[quote]LarryDavid wrote:
Yeah, but hip hop is still pretty young compared to rock, and at this point an artist like Kanye West who has been so large a presence in the genre is bound to have a big influence on the future. I totally agree on the Coldplay thing, but part of that has to do with the stage rock is in now. Rock has exhausted a lot of it’s areas for innovation, that’s why the retro movement was big in rock for a while. Hip hop’s got a long time before superstars have no influence/relevence in the genre.
And as for Hanoi rocks, I haven’t really listened to their stuff but supposedly they were pretty influential themselves. i might have to check out their stuff, thanks for the reference. [/quote]
Hip hop has been around what, 40 years? I would say that is plenty long enough to evolve, certainly longer than Indie Rock. (god I hate categorising music)
[quote]lildave wrote:
Kanye on Jay Leno show. [/quote]
What was that? He never even mentioned the girl by name and driveled into something about touring too much and his hurt making someone else hurt? What the fuck is his hurt? That Beyonce didn’t get an award?
It’s obvious the dude feels bad, but not because he recognizes what he did was wrong, but because he knows his image took a hit, like a kid who fucks up and apologizes because he doesn’t like his mom taking away his dessert. Clown.
[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
LarryDavid wrote:
Yeah, but hip hop is still pretty young compared to rock, and at this point an artist like Kanye West who has been so large a presence in the genre is bound to have a big influence on the future. I totally agree on the Coldplay thing, but part of that has to do with the stage rock is in now. Rock has exhausted a lot of it’s areas for innovation, that’s why the retro movement was big in rock for a while. Hip hop’s got a long time before superstars have no influence/relevence in the genre.
And as for Hanoi rocks, I haven’t really listened to their stuff but supposedly they were pretty influential themselves. i might have to check out their stuff, thanks for the reference.
Hip hop has been around what, 40 years? I would say that is plenty long enough to evolve, certainly longer than Indie Rock. (god I hate categorising music)[/quote]
No it’s not long enough. And I don’t know if hip hop’s been around as a fully formed genre for 40 years anyway. If you want to count it very earliest stages, then rocks in it’s 60s or 70s by now, and that’s a BIG difference. Indie Rock is a type of Rock, and COLDPLAY ARE NOT INDIE ROCK. I’ve noticed that sometimes the Brits throw that term around loosely, but Coldplay aren’t indie and I’m sure that’s known there too.
You don’t like categorizing music? Then you shouldn’t have brought up Kanye being “relevant in his genre” and not otherwise. You brought up genres, and if you didn’t like categorizing music you would’ve assumed if that if he’s popular he’s relevant and will be in the future. He isn’t a one hit wonder, he’s been behind big hits (not just for himself but for others, and not just big songs for hip hop fans, but casual fans) for almost the entire decade.
And for the record, his influence is already being seen and has been for a few years and it’s good and bad. Rappers don’t have to have a shred of “street cred” these day, which is a far cry from just a year before Kanye hit the scene. I think that’s a good thing, rappers not having to partake in macho posturing and and being insensitive if it’s not them. It hasn’t really been like that since the early 90s, and a lot of that has to do with Kanye. At the same time, I think his lyrics finally crossed the line into whiny bitch territory on his most recent (but still great) album, 808s & Heartbreak, and unfortunately it’s success may have opened the floodgates.
Naturally the president had to weigh in on this…
[quote]Professor X wrote:
That actually wasn’t the point. Whether he thought this out beforehand or not, the fact still stands that the RESULT of those actions is still going to be even more notoriety. That goes for him and Ms. Swift because I truly didn’t even know who the hell she was before this. [/quote]
To Prof X:
Is it your conclusion that if something good happens from a bad action, then it partly absolves the person who did the bad action and the harm done is lessened? Because that is what you are seemingly saying.
Say you decided to compete in a show and you were awarded 1st place by the judges. If someone well-known from the industry jumped on stage just as you were taking your place on the top stool and said to the crowd, that really so-and-so and not you should have won. How would you have felt at the time towards the industry person?
Would it have made you feel any better if you got product endorsements from the the notoriety of it? Would that have changed your mind about the industry person?
For the record, I don’t like either performer’s work.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
Kanye at Patrick Swayze’s funeral
“I’ll let you get back to your funeral in a minute…but michael jackson had the best death of the year. just sayinnn. THE BEST DEATH OF THE YEAR”
Carry on with your race wars. [/quote]
ACORN and Kanye…fodder for the KKK and sundry other racist idiots.
That shit’ll never die until there are no examples like this for racists to focus upon.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
lildave wrote:
Kanye on Jay Leno show.
What was that? He never even mentioned the girl by name and driveled into something about touring too much and his hurt making someone else hurt? What the fuck is his hurt? That Beyonce didn’t get an award?
It’s obvious the dude feels bad, but not because he recognizes what he did was wrong, but because he knows his image took a hit, like a kid who fucks up and apologizes because he doesn’t like his mom taking away his dessert. Clown.[/quote]
I think he is trying to save a little face, maybe minimize the damage. He knows this would upset people, but maybe he didn’t expect it to bother people THIS much.
[quote]LarryDavid wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
LOL @ “relevant”. What the hell is that supposed to mean anyway? Does that have something to do with the level of influence or something? Album sales? Best message? This is music, you are either selling records or you’re not.
Relevence is about how you influence other artists and how you dig out a space for yourself in music.
The New York Dolls for instance sold a shit load less records than Kanye has however they have a million times more relevence in terms of their influence on modern music.
I’ve misjudged you. The New York Dolls are/were awesome, and I’m surprised to find someone else here is a fan.
And Lanky, if you think importance is limited to selling records, that you don’t know a damn thing about music at all. At all. You seem like one of the smarter posters here too, it’s just surprising you’d have such a shortsighted post. [/quote]
Relevance, to me, just seems like a cool buzzword to use when trying to make an argument for or against an artist you like or dislike. We’ve already seen 4 peoples different definitions of what it means to be “relevant”. For some people, Kanye’s lyrics might speak to them. For them, his music is relevant. For me, it’s not. The word relevant is relative. At the end of the day, in this thread, all it’s being used for is to make an argument for or against Kanye.
Are the Beastie Boys relevant? They’re legends in the hip hop world but I haven’t heard them rap about anything in the past 10 years, they just ryhme words. At the same time, I’d have a problem calling legendary hip hop artists irrelevant.