Kai Greene: Overkill

Training Bodybuilding
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[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]rundymc wrote:
Sorry, you’re still thick.

It’s the difference between stealing $100 from some rich dude getting out of a limo and mugging a cab driver. One is going to feel it much more than the other.

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And both actions are wrong and illegal. Stealing from a big firm doesn’t make it any less illegal than stealing from a small firm.

I think asking for a pirated link in this thread is pretty dumb and I think you should pay for the DVD if you want to see it. But saying it’s OK to steal from a big company and not OK to steal from a small company is just as stupid. If have to question the common sense of anyone who thinks big companies aren’t affected by pirating. They’re affected less than indie producers but stealing is stealing.[/quote]

x2. Pay for the shit you want.

Yes I pay for my music.

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[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]rundymc wrote:
Sorry, you’re still thick.

It’s the difference between stealing $100 from some rich dude getting out of a limo and mugging a cab driver. One is going to feel it much more than the other.

[/quote]

And both actions are wrong and illegal. Stealing from a big firm doesn’t make it any less illegal than stealing from a small firm.

I think asking for a pirated link in this thread is pretty dumb and I think you should pay for the DVD if you want to see it. But saying it’s OK to steal from a big company and not OK to steal from a small company is just as stupid. If have to question the common sense of anyone who thinks big companies aren’t affected by pirating. They’re affected less than indie producers but stealing is stealing.[/quote]

x2. Pay for the shit you want.

Yes I pay for my music. [/quote]

So do I…and let me say, if you are really a fan of bodybuilding, stealing money from someone like Kai who grew up the way he did is just wrong.

Yes, I downloaded music for free in college as did most students. I justified it then because I was flat broke…but that is also why I avoid anything like that now that I actually have a job. If I want a song now, I pay for it. I don’t do the bootleg dvd thing either.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

So do I…and let me say, if you are really a fan of bodybuilding, stealing money from someone like Kai who grew up the way he did is just wrong.

Yes, I downloaded music for free in college as did most students. I justified it then because I was flat broke…but that is also why I avoid anything like that now that I actually have a job. If I want a song now, I pay for it. I don’t do the bootleg dvd thing either.[/quote]

Those were the golden days. I’m an IT guy at a college and I get emails from the RIAA about copyright infringements all the time. My job is to track the student and bring him to the College’s Judicial board for the offense. Sucks , but beats getting sued for thousands by the RIAA. The RIAA has become very good at finding people downloading music/movies.

Before I blocked peer to peer I was getting 20 notices a day. So a sincere warning to you guys downloading stuff via torrents. HBO is the most diligent.

I think the DVD is worth the money and will be ordering it soon. The production quality looks much better than any of the Ronnie Coleman video’s and Kai’s inspiring and entertaining at the same time. Great combo.

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[quote]optheta wrote:
People people piracy has same effect to big and small film makers. Its all relative bigger studios have bigger pool of customer which yields more pirate and smaller film makers has smaller pool which fewer pirates however its still the same relatively. [/quote]

I can’t tell whether you’re honestly this dumb or just trolling. Let me put it this way - yes, you could make the argument that since 20% (or 10% or 30% or whatever) of ALL movie views are done illegally, then both mainstream and indie movies will have the same proportional amount of piracy.

But to say that the EFFECTS of the piracy will be the same is either willful blindness or stultifying stupidity. Getting 80% of the revenue (or 90% or 70% or whatever) is a lot different when you’re talking about blockbuster money vs indie film money. A blockbuster will still make back its costs, including its opportunity costs.

DIGRESSION: If 99.99% of all movie views were done illegally, then yes, i would agree with you, Because .01% of nothing is nothing and .01% of the net from most mainstream movies isn’t (I would imagine) much more. This is not, however, the case.

An indie film - at least one on this scale, im sure there are larger indie films - already make a small enough profit that it’s practically not worth doing it. You’d be better off stickign to more popular subjects, or getting a more traditional job with regular pay or whatever. Yes, “love of the subject/passion for your work, etc” - people have bills to pay. Pulcinella is not a full-time filmmaker. He works for his family printing company and does this on the side. If you like what you see, support it and he will have both the financial freedom and INCENTIVE to make more. If you dont particularly care for it, that is your opinion, but this type of thing will go away.

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[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]rundymc wrote:
Sorry, you’re still thick.

It’s the difference between stealing $100 from some rich dude getting out of a limo and mugging a cab driver. One is going to feel it much more than the other.

[/quote]

And both actions are wrong and illegal. Stealing from a big firm doesn’t make it any less illegal than stealing from a small firm.

I think asking for a pirated link in this thread is pretty dumb and I think you should pay for the DVD if you want to see it. But saying it’s OK to steal from a big company and not OK to steal from a small company is just as stupid. If have to question the common sense of anyone who thinks big companies aren’t affected by pirating. They’re affected less than indie producers but stealing is stealing.[/quote]

For the record, I do agree with the accuracy of this statement. Yes, both are illegal, and yes, both are of the same principle. But we aren’t talking about legality, we are talking about morality. Nobody saying not to pirate this is trying to justify any form of stealing. There is, however, a natural sympathy with the underdog. Look at most of the stories about Bernie Madoff’s clients - the majority were written about people who lost almost everything, not people who had spread investments around.

To say that the principle is the same is correct, to say that the pragmatic outcomes would be the same is blatantly false. Human morality allows for a broad spectrum of “bad” “worse” “even worse” “special ring of hell” with innumerable gray areas in between. It’s why everyone can agree that while both actions would be wrong, taking someone’s last dime is viewed as “worse” than taking money from someone with plenty more left.

And no, for the record, i dont download movies or music.

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[quote]KBCThird wrote:

[quote]optheta wrote:
People people piracy has same effect to big and small film makers. Its all relative bigger studios have bigger pool of customer which yields more pirate and smaller film makers has smaller pool which fewer pirates however its still the same relatively. [/quote]

I can’t tell whether you’re honestly this dumb or just trolling. Let me put it this way - yes, you could make the argument that since 20% (or 10% or 30% or whatever) of ALL movie views are done illegally, then both mainstream and indie movies will have the same proportional amount of piracy.

But to say that the EFFECTS of the piracy will be the same is either willful blindness or stultifying stupidity. Getting 80% of the revenue (or 90% or 70% or whatever) is a lot different when you’re talking about blockbuster money vs indie film money. A blockbuster will still make back its costs, including its opportunity costs.

DIGRESSION: If 99.99% of all movie views were done illegally, then yes, i would agree with you, Because .01% of nothing is nothing and .01% of the net from most mainstream movies isn’t (I would imagine) much more. This is not, however, the case.

An indie film - at least one on this scale, im sure there are larger indie films - already make a small enough profit that it’s practically not worth doing it. You’d be better off stickign to more popular subjects, or getting a more traditional job with regular pay or whatever. Yes, “love of the subject/passion for your work, etc” - people have bills to pay. Pulcinella is not a full-time filmmaker. He works for his family printing company and does this on the side. If you like what you see, support it and he will have both the financial freedom and INCENTIVE to make more. If you dont particularly care for it, that is your opinion, but this type of thing will go away.[/quote]

First, optheta is a troll.

Second, principles are principles, man. I think stealing is wrong. If YOU think stealing is wrong, it shouldn’t matter if it’s an indie film or not. Or maybe you think it’s right to steal…but only from rich people?

I’m not saying the effects are the same, but stealing is stealing and we shouldn’t act like stealing from rich people is any better than stealing from the middle class.

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Shit, you basically already responded…

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I pre-ordered this DVD a couple weeks ago. Hopefully it will come in soon.

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Opetha is a huge dick I have concluded after reading most of his posts, of course he would go download Kai Greene’s training video and not think twice. Kai’s a humble guy and I would feel bad ripping him off like that as he probably doesn’t get a huge percentage of the money, after everything else gets paid.

On another note, was talking to a buddy at work who actually sat next to him at the arnold and another time in the offseason, guy took up 3 fuckin’ chairs he said sitting around 320 lbs LOL !). Yet he told me Kai is one scary looking mofo, but he surprises you cause he’s of the most soft spoken humble guys you’ll ever meet.

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[quote]angus_beef wrote:

[quote]Sharp4850 wrote:

[quote]angus_beef wrote:
Yea, it does give the feel of a documentary… loved it.

Maybe it’s the faces he makes when he works out, but whenever i see a video of Kai training it just seems sooo intense. [/quote]
Like this?

Kai has some great training videos. I’ve pulled a couple ideas for my own training from him.[/quote]

Yessir !

Really makes me question my intensity… In comparison the effort i put into my entire routine seems to be equivalent to the effort he puts into his warmups.

I believe “bugeishaAD” posted a couple vids in the brotherhood of iron thread and he seemed pretty intense also… It was a pretty good video.

As Stu stated this is really inspiring… Its just something about documentaries that always plays with my psyche.[/quote]
Seriously. Not only have a learned some things about training from watching his stuff, but it’s also taught me to up my intensity. I can’t count the number of times I’ve pictured clips from his videos when I feel like giving up.

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X2 on actually paying for the movie. Be responsible.

Who think’s he’ll get the olympia next year?

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[quote]Sarev0k wrote:
X2 on actually paying for the movie. Be responsible.

[/quote]

The filmmaker responds:

Thanks to everyone for your kind words about OVERKILL. It was an intense time that I spent with Kai and I hope that the documentary reflects at least some of that.

To those of you who feel that I over-dramatized the events in Las Vegas, I can sympathize with that criticism. You may be right, but all I can say is that is how it felt to ME when I was there in the thick of it and my documentaries are always a very personal statement.

Concerning piracy:

There is no difference morally between stealing a movie from a large production company and stealing from a small one. If you would not walk into a video store, shove a DVD under your coat and walk out without paying, how can you justify downloading that same movie? There is no difference.

Can a larger company withstand piracy? To a certain extent, but piracy IS changing the way movies are made and the kinds of movies that are made. It IS having an effect. Don’t try to convince yourself that it is not. Read the trade papers sometime.

Having said that, it is true that piracy is much more devastating to niche DVDs like BB DVDs. Our films sell in the hundreds, not the thousands or millions. Those of us who love trying to instill the same old sets and reps with a bit of filmmaking flair are not getting rich, I can assure you, but we do need to live.

It is a simple equation, if the DVDs I make do not sell enough units the company that pays me to make them will cease to do so. If you like your DVDs to have a bit of a story to them, if you like them to dig a litter deeper into the psychology of bodybuilding, then your support for these kinds of DVDs is very valuable. Each purchase is a vote for this kind of filmmaking.

In the past, BB DVDs have been generally bad and overpriced. I understand your reluctance to part with $50 to watch endless sets and reps. However, I have strived since I began with my Raising the Bar series to make BB films that are more interesting (at least to me!) and more affordable. And I usually post a trailer or two and several clips so that you can get a good idea of what you are buying before you purchase.

I do have another clip from OVERKILL coming soon and BB.com will be serializing the entire documentary starting soon. Now that I am a member here I will be sure to notify you all of any new clips and new projects that I have in the works.

I look forward to making some new friends here.

Thanks for your support.

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Alright Mike, It’s good to hear from you. I look forward to more of your work.

Support Bodybuilding and it’s independant filmmakers guys, BUY THE MOVIES, BE LEGITAMATE.

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[quote]mike pulcinella wrote:

[quote]Sarev0k wrote:
X2 on actually paying for the movie. Be responsible.

[/quote]

The filmmaker responds:

Thanks to everyone for your kind words about OVERKILL. It was an intense time that I spent with Kai and I hope that the documentary reflects at least some of that.

To those of you who feel that I over-dramatized the events in Las Vegas, I can sympathize with that criticism. You may be right, but all I can say is that is how it felt to ME when I was there in the thick of it and my documentaries are always a very personal statement.

Concerning piracy:

There is no difference morally between stealing a movie from a large production company and stealing from a small one. If you would not walk into a video store, shove a DVD under your coat and walk out without paying, how can you justify downloading that same movie? There is no difference.

Can a larger company withstand piracy? To a certain extent, but piracy IS changing the way movies are made and the kinds of movies that are made. It IS having an effect. Don’t try to convince yourself that it is not. Read the trade papers sometime.

Having said that, it is true that piracy is much more devastating to niche DVDs like BB DVDs. Our films sell in the hundreds, not the thousands or millions. Those of us who love trying to instill the same old sets and reps with a bit of filmmaking flair are not getting rich, I can assure you, but we do need to live.

It is a simple equation, if the DVDs I make do not sell enough units the company that pays me to make them will cease to do so. If you like your DVDs to have a bit of a story to them, if you like them to dig a litter deeper into the psychology of bodybuilding, then your support for these kinds of DVDs is very valuable. Each purchase is a vote for this kind of filmmaking.

In the past, BB DVDs have been generally bad and overpriced. I understand your reluctance to part with $50 to watch endless sets and reps. However, I have strived since I began with my Raising the Bar series to make BB films that are more interesting (at least to me!) and more affordable. And I usually post a trailer or two and several clips so that you can get a good idea of what you are buying before you purchase.

I do have another clip from OVERKILL coming soon and BB.com will be serializing the entire documentary starting soon. Now that I am a member here I will be sure to notify you all of any new clips and new projects that I have in the works.

I look forward to making some new friends here.

Thanks for your support.

[/quote]

Coolness.

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here is a pic from Kai Vol. Two which in the works by Mike i believe…

apparently it’s been photo shopped e.g. contrast levels modified but it seems that’s the only alteration, pretty sick picture.

Mike nice to have you on T-Nation, the dvd was great. perhaps some B&W footage in the up coming volume? i enjoyed the film noir it had on some of the McGraw vids from that other supplement company.

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[quote]cyruseven75 wrote:
here is a pic from Kai Vol. Two which in the works by Mike i believe…

apparently it’s been photo shopped e.g. contrast levels modified but it seems that’s the only alteration, pretty sick picture.

Mike nice to have you on T-Nation, the dvd was great. perhaps some B&W footage in the up coming volume? i enjoyed the film noir it had on some of the McGraw vids from that other supplement company. [/quote]

Hmmm…there’s a heavy leg workout sequence in Vol 2 that might benefit from black and white. I’ll have to try it and see how it looks. Thanks for the suggestion!

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[quote]mike pulcinella wrote:

[quote]cyruseven75 wrote:
here is a pic from Kai Vol. Two which in the works by Mike i believe…

apparently it’s been photo shopped e.g. contrast levels modified but it seems that’s the only alteration, pretty sick picture.

Mike nice to have you on T-Nation, the dvd was great. perhaps some B&W footage in the up coming volume? i enjoyed the film noir it had on some of the McGraw vids from that other supplement company. [/quote]

Hmmm…there’s a heavy leg workout sequence in Vol 2 that might benefit from black and white. I’ll have to try it and see how it looks. Thanks for the suggestion!
[/quote]

Dont worry i didnt pirate it lol. Anyways pretty cool to see the filmmaker on this site. Now can you get Kai Greene to post on here?

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[quote]optheta wrote:

[quote]mike pulcinella wrote:

[quote]cyruseven75 wrote:
here is a pic from Kai Vol. Two which in the works by Mike i believe…

apparently it’s been photo shopped e.g. contrast levels modified but it seems that’s the only alteration, pretty sick picture.

Mike nice to have you on T-Nation, the dvd was great. perhaps some B&W footage in the up coming volume? i enjoyed the film noir it had on some of the McGraw vids from that other supplement company. [/quote]

Hmmm…there’s a heavy leg workout sequence in Vol 2 that might benefit from black and white. I’ll have to try it and see how it looks. Thanks for the suggestion!
[/quote]

Dont worry i didnt pirate it lol. Anyways pretty cool to see the filmmaker on this site. Now can you get Kai Greene to post on here?[/quote]

Kai Green is sponsored by muscle meds. this is a Biotest site.

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next time someone says they train hard, show them this video.

next time someone says they dont have the genetics to be big, ask them if they train this hard.

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I watched the DVD last week and thought it was great. It wasn’t what I was expecting, but I feel like that was a good thing. It was very different from the traditional bodybuilding DVD and I found that that made it much more motivational. It felt much more intense than any other bodybuilding movie I have seen before.

The part where Kai talks about Ronnie Coleman sent chills down my spine. It’s my new favourite motivational scene to watch before hitting the gym.

Mike did a very good job of getting into the personal life of Kai, although I feel like Kai may have been a very different man during those 7 weeks in Las Vegas than who he usually is.