K9 Officer Dead, Town Outraged

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[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:

I don’t think I am, [/quote]

Obviously you do…at least you think you’re detached enough to scoff at people who might mourn the death of the dog (“boo-hoo”?) Reality check: you’re not. You just think that cold detachment to anything but science is the mark of a scientific mind.

You’re like a friend of mine. He so desperately wanted to be seen as a rocker that he crapped on every other genre of music, because he thought that was the “rock thing” to do (guy was a total nerd who never listened to music before he went to uni). Another buddy of mine gave him a free ticket to a classical concert. Buddy #1 went because it was free, but he loved it, even though he ‘hated’ classical.

Not only did the experience change his opinion, but it enriched his enjoyment of the music he already listened to. Experience and perspective: get some. [/quote]

I think you’re over estimating what my words meant. Get this “he’s trying to be cool” idea out of your mind.

[quote]roybot wrote:[quote] and I have a problem with mindless cruelty to any living thing.

[/quote] Well then, why post a pic of the Korean equivalent of a hot dog? You didn’t answer my question. If you found the killing, cooking and consuming of dog flesh appealing, you would have answered without hesitation. You didn’t, so you’re not in a position to point fingers. You’re just like the rest of us mere mortals.

Oh, and check out the way these dogs are killed before you post pics of 'em to support a generally patronizing POV. You have a problem with mindless violence? I have a problem with mindless posting.

I didn’t find the photo offensive, but don’t be such a hypocrite to imply that you abhor animal cruelty when you have no clue as to how they were disposed of…would you approve of drowning a cow?[/quote]
Mindless cruelty is drowning a cow for fun. Killing a dog to eat it is not ‘mindless cruelty’. I have no problem with how chickens and cows are killed. Why would I have a problem with the way the dogs are killed? It was basically a disclaimer. I don’t adore violence but it is a necessity at times.

[quote]roybot wrote:[quote]
Regardless, the man is attacked by a a ferocious dog. You really expect him to stand there and watch as the flesh is stripped from his bone?[/quote]

Spare me the histrionics. The dog has been accused of trying to kill the robber several times in this thread. When the was the last time you saw televised footage of a police dog killing a suspect, let alone using excessive force? Those, unfortunately, are exclusively human traits…
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That does not mean the man will not suffer. Excessive force?
It’s a dog - taught to bite and not let go.
You are over analyzing everything here and your horse is very tall

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Humans will also eat humans faced with starvation, we will resort to survival. Well, at least that’s what the people who crashed in South America did :wink:

Not sure if that is relevant, just figured I’d make that point considering the one about a dog eating its owner when faced with starvation.

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[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:

I don’t think I am, [/quote]

Obviously you do…at least you think you’re detached enough to scoff at people who might mourn the death of the dog (“boo-hoo”?) Reality check: you’re not. You just think that cold detachment to anything but science is the mark of a scientific mind.

You’re like a friend of mine. He so desperately wanted to be seen as a rocker that he crapped on every other genre of music, because he thought that was the “rock thing” to do (guy was a total nerd who never listened to music before he went to uni). Another buddy of mine gave him a free ticket to a classical concert. Buddy #1 went because it was free, but he loved it, even though he ‘hated’ classical.

Not only did the experience change his opinion, but it enriched his enjoyment of the music he already listened to. Experience and perspective: get some. [/quote]

I think you’re over estimating what my words meant. Get this “he’s trying to be cool” idea out of your mind.

[quote]roybot wrote:[quote] and I have a problem with mindless cruelty to any living thing.

[/quote] Well then, why post a pic of the Korean equivalent of a hot dog? You didn’t answer my question. If you found the killing, cooking and consuming of dog flesh appealing, you would have answered without hesitation. You didn’t, so you’re not in a position to point fingers. You’re just like the rest of us mere mortals.

Oh, and check out the way these dogs are killed before you post pics of 'em to support a generally patronizing POV. You have a problem with mindless violence? I have a problem with mindless posting.

I didn’t find the photo offensive, but don’t be such a hypocrite to imply that you abhor animal cruelty when you have no clue as to how they were disposed of…would you approve of drowning a cow?[/quote]

Mindless cruelty is drowning a cow for fun. Killing a dog to eat it is not ‘mindless cruelty’. I have no problem with how chickens and cows are killed. Why would I have a problem with the way the dogs are killed? It was basically a disclaimer. I don’t adore violence but it is a necessity at times.

[quote]roybot wrote:[quote]
Regardless, the man is attacked by a a ferocious dog. You really expect him to stand there and watch as the flesh is stripped from his bone?[/quote]

Spare me the histrionics. The dog has been accused of trying to kill the robber several times in this thread. When the was the last time you saw televised footage of a police dog killing a suspect, let alone using excessive force? Those, unfortunately, are exclusively human traits…
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That does not mean the man will not suffer. Excessive force?
It’s a dog - taught to bite and not let go.
You are over analyzing everything here and your horse is very tall
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Right. I admit that I’ve been over estimating your words and giving you too much credit. Now that you’ve shown me that you’re just some jumped up punk who thinks that they can paraphrase their way to winning an argument, I see the error of my ways. My horse is tall? Let me take a WWE drop kick of a guess at the occupation you wouldn’t disclose… you’re a student, right?.

I’m over analyzing points that you insist on exaggerating for effect? L.M.F.A.O.

P.S. It hasn’t escaped my attention that you only had the cajones to respond to my post because Heavytriple tried to back you up.

ROFL at your attempt to implicate police dogs as corrupt. Canine brutality? Let’s call in tapeworm internal affairs.

Your response to the “drowning of cows” comment shows how oblivious you are. ‘Edible’ dogs in Korea are routinely killed by drowning them. It’s not done for fun. But that didn’t stop you posting a pic and making up an argument afterwards…

P.P.S Have either of you smartasses eaten dog yet?

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[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
Humans will also eat humans faced with starvation, we will resort to survival. Well, at least that’s what the people who crashed in South America did :wink:

Not sure if that is relevant, just figured I’d make that point considering the one about a dog eating its owner when faced with starvation.[/quote]

It’s completely relevant :wink:

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[quote]caladin wrote:
Sorry If Im a bad guy for saying this but my dogs or for that matter any dog is as important to me as any human would be. Its called Unconditional Love dogs have it humans dont. Dont get me wrong I would save my family over a dog I didnt know but I consider one of my own dogs as important as any other family member because to me they are my family. I dont care for humans outside of my family so maybe that is the issue. Im just calling it as I see it.[/quote]

I doubt that any of your dogs “loves you unconditionally”.

That idea means anthropomorphising pack animals.

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[quote]WWEAttitude wrote:

[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:

[quote]caladin wrote:
Sorry If Im a bad guy for saying this but my dogs or for that matter any dog is as important to me as any human would be. Its called Unconditional Love dogs have it humans dont. Dont get me wrong I would save my family over a dog I didnt know but I consider one of my own dogs as important as any other family member because to me they are my family. I dont care for humans outside of my family so maybe that is the issue. Im just calling it as I see it.[/quote]

You just made a massive assumption based on nothing other than your conjecture. “Unconditional love” is a pretty vague thing, and it certainly cannot be so easily ascribed to a creature that can’t relate it thoughts. What you call unconditional love I call an animal behaving in a manner that will reward it with food. Strip that animal from it’s daily regiment of food and you have a nasty beast that will readily revert to its base instincts. Don’t believe me? Insert yourself into a pack of strays and see if they treat you with any compassion.[/quote]

Try to insert yourself into a gang of criminals, see if they show you any compassion. Oh wait they wouldn’t, duh.[/quote]

You dont know many criminals, do you?

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Homo sapiens > other life forms.
End of story. Amazing this is a debate.

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I like how all the pictures of the dog on the news website are of a cute dog that doesn’t look like it could harm a fly. In reality, it probably looked like this…

I’ve been “nipped” by a german shepherd once and it was scary as crap. I would absolutely imagine one of their real bites to be cruel punishment.

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[quote]Pootie Tang wrote:
I had a debate with a lady friend about this a while ago. I argued the point that our intelligence is what makes us different from other animals but not necessarily better. That feeling of superiority is a byproduct of said intelligence. On a base level we have the same biological needs as other animals. Yes, We have adapted and changed our environment to suit our needs.

But if you put me out in the wilderness toe to toe with another ultra predator with nothing but what god gave me when I was born. I’m a dead man. All my supposed superiority is out the window, as I pass through the animals digestive track. To argue if we are “better” or worth more than another animal is a purely selfish self preservationist view. Because if you stand between a mother Grizzly and her cubs she is going to look at you as a lesser being standing in the way of her and her cubs.

So my point is, in the grand scheme of things we all (humans & other animals) want the same things. Some food, some sex, and a quiet place to take a shit.[/quote]

I get what you’re saying, but I don’t think you have the right angle. She doesn’t think that you are less than her, I don’t really think there is “thinking” going on. She is instinctively protecting her cubs.

When it comes to dumb animals, the proper angle to look at is if it is okay for us to kill an animal, say for food. Yes it is. Is it proper for humans to kill humans for food, no it isn’t. Is it proper for animals to kill humans for food, no it isn’t. Humans are distinctively superior to other animals, or dumb animals.

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[quote]Fezzik wrote:
I like how all the pictures of the dog on the news website are of a cute dog that doesn’t look like it could harm a fly. In reality, it probably looked like this…

I’ve been “nipped” by a german shepherd once and it was scary as crap. I would absolutely imagine one of their real bites to be cruel punishment.[/quote]

that is a gnarly lookin picture!!!

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[quote]Vegita wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Vegita wrote:

But wouldn’t you also not hesitate to kill a human who was also about to eat your child? [/quote]

That depends. They could be a vampire and if the world was ending, being immortal may just be the best option for my kid.

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I think the point he is making is that one of the most unflattering and destructive attitudes humans have is “we’re fucking humans we can do whatever the fuck we want” type of thinking. [/quote]

Weak. if you want to make this some grand argument about our place in the universe and the sanctity of all life everywhere, you may want to start another thread.

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I mean I think we are better, but I think we are better because we UNDERSTAND the relationship we and other organisms play in the circle of life. Dogs are much more than food. They have spent hundreds of thousands of years adapting to mankind to provide them with some animal abilities the humans don’t possess in return for some of that human brainpower working in thier favor in the form of shelter and food and other things like maybe a scratch behind the ear. Until very recently in history, dogs and humans were sybiotic organisms.

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Look, I like dogs, but if it came down to a dog or my mother, my mom wins every day of the freaking week.

Now, if it came down to my dog vs someone like Headhunter, then I would have to think long and hard about who to kill.[/quote]

Right and the debate here is over a dog who serves our communities dying while attempting to apprehend a bad guy. So I’m not saying I wouldn’t put a dog down if it bit one of my kids, cause I would. But I can also understand and feel some sympathy for someone who loses a team member, and for a community that loses one of it’s public servants, regardless if they have 4 legs or 2. People who say things like “it’s just a fucking dog” are quite frankly assholes. I don’t need a parade for the dog, but people who go out of thier way to be “hard” and “uncaring” are dipshits.

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It’s not hard or uncaring. I care about my dogs, I even cried after my first bitch died but after I lost her, I don’t get attached to them. Mostly because I realised that I work with professional dogs that are either fit or not fit, and if I happen to have an unfit dog that gets killed, so be it.

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[quote]SteelyD wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
We eat chickens. We eat cows. [/quote]

We eat BABY SHEEP!!!

http://tnation.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/diet_performance_nutrition_supplements/la_cucina_anabolica_italiana?id=2144267&pageNo=26#4216531[/quote]

Yummy…so is veil or however you spell it.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
People that don’t like dogs are soulless cocksuckers.[/quote]

This has nothing to do with not liking dogs, this is about a man killing a dog that was going to attack/attack him. And, the town being outraged because a man was protecting himself.

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[quote]Vinnie85 wrote:
well an easy analogy that could be thought of would be someone breaks into your house and steals ure shit… ure dog attacks said person and said person kills the dog in self defense…

would u not feel bad?
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Wrong analogy. Someone breaks into the neighbors house and steals their shit…their dog attacks said person and said person kills the dog in self defense…

Do I not feel bad?

No, I don’t. Not my dog.

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[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
It’s just an animal, people.
You can grow an attachement to anything but it’s just a mutt, at the end of the day.
Don’t really see the big deal. A dog died, boohoo, so tragic.
The guy was gonna get ripped to shreds. Can you fault him?[/quote]

Since you posted a photo of a dog roast being plated up to illustrate your point, we can assume then that the thought of eating a dog sounds appetizing to you (I’m not asking you if you’d eat one as a last-ditch alternative to starvation, but if you would regularly choose to eat one over say, a steak or chicken and enjoy it)?

You’re not as “de-sensitized” to fluffy creatures as you think you are.[/quote]

No, not tender enough.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
People that don’t like dogs are soulless cocksuckers.[/quote]

This has nothing to do with not liking dogs, this is about a man killing a dog that was going to attack/attack him. And, the town being outraged because a man was protecting himself.[/quote]

But the man was being attacked by a police dog, since the man robbed a place. why is this being ignored in all the arguments here?

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well duh, you bring an animal into the middle of a chase after a fugitive whatdya think is going to happen?? I don’t know what the fuss is about. I love dogs A LOT and the ones putting them after criminals are the ones putting them in harms way. I’m not saying they should or shouldn’t do that, but when you make a dog a weapon, a criminal WILL fight back.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
People that don’t like dogs are soulless cocksuckers.[/quote]

Along with people that kill cattle for food and hunt dear for sport. These meat eating, dear hunting cock suckers !