K9 Officer Dead, Town Outraged

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[quote]cct wrote:

So you agree that the man had the right to kill the dog for self preservation…
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Your missing this here. He allegedly threw the dog into traffic. This was all supposed to take place after the dog bit him and before he “threw” the dog off of his arm from a full bite into traffic - also before the same car that hit the dog, hit the suspect. Its all fucking bullshit. The said fact of this case is if you lived in this town you would know from the get go that this man is not going to receive a fair trial because of his name in town.

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My brother, who is autistic, has a service dog that aids him in various things he is unable to do himself. The dog would die for him - literally. He’d die for the dog. In observing my brother and other autistic individuals, there is truly some connection they and dogs have together, some type of understanding. Maybe it’s because an autistic person is capable of giving the same type of unconditional, unquestioning love that the dog is willing to give.

The autistic person doesn’t have these different ideas about intelligence, position in the food chain - they just look at each dog as an individual, they judge them as individuals, and they recognize them as intelligent creatures. You just have to watch these dogs to see that they’re very, very intelligent.

I completely understand how people could grieve the loss of an animal, especially one as intelligent as a K-9 dog or service dog. They have personalities, preferences, dislikes, quirks, and you come to know all of these things and know them as individual living creatures. I think many individuals who don’t understand the connection some people have with their animals have never been this close to an animal, they’ve never experienced the shrewed understanding and unconditional love of a pet.

(And I’m not saying I think humans and animals are equal - I will almost always choose the human over the animal. When it comes to life and the hard choices, humans win over animals. Doesn’t mean people can’t love and care about or for them.)

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[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
It’s just an animal, people.
You can grow an attachement to anything but it’s just a mutt, at the end of the day.
Don’t really see the big deal. A dog died, boohoo, so tragic.
The guy was gonna get ripped to shreds. Can you fault him?[/quote]

Since you posted a photo of a dog roast being plated up to illustrate your point, we can assume then that the thought of eating a dog sounds appetizing to you (I’m not asking you if you’d eat one as a last-ditch alternative to starvation, but if you would regularly choose to eat one over say, a steak or chicken and enjoy it)?

You’re not as “de-sensitized” to fluffy creatures as you think you are.

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[quote]Vegita wrote:

[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
I will never understand the hard on people have for domestic animals.
Never.[/quote]

Here, it’s pretty simple actually, you see blood fills the corpora cavernousa and it elongates and fills the penis making it “hard” or harder than it was. [/quote]

hilarious…lmfao

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[quote]Vinnie85 wrote:
well an easy analogy that could be thought of would be someone breaks into your house and steals ure shit… ure dog attacks said person and said person kills the dog in self defense…
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Wait. First, what is a ure?

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[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]Dustin wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

It is a spitting image of my wifes. [/quote]

I don’t believe you. Such a statement requires photographic (or video) evidence.

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K, or you could ask Pootie to PM you the proof. [/quote]

I can’t your wifes ass has a “halo effect” when you take a pic of it. There is an almost celestial glow that the camera picks up when you take a picture of it. He’ll just have to take your word for it.

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ure = your… curse aim when i was a young’n…

young’n = young person

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[quote]postholedigger wrote:

[quote]Vinnie85 wrote:
well an easy analogy that could be thought of would be someone breaks into your house and steals ure shit… ure dog attacks said person and said person kills the dog in self defense…
[/quote]

Wait. First, what is a ure?[/quote]

Short for urethra?

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[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
It’s just an animal, people.
You can grow an attachement to anything but it’s just a mutt, at the end of the day.
Don’t really see the big deal. A dog died, boohoo, so tragic.
The guy was gonna get ripped to shreds. Can you fault him?[/quote]

Since you posted a photo of a dog roast being plated up to illustrate your point, we can assume then that the thought of eating a dog sounds appetizing to you (I’m not asking you if you’d eat one as a last-ditch alternative to starvation, but if you would regularly choose to eat one over say, a steak or chicken and enjoy it)?

You’re not as “de-sensitized” to fluffy creatures as you think you are.[/quote]

I don’t think I am, and I have a problem with mindless cruelty to any living thing.
Regardless, the man is attacked by a a ferocious dog. You really expect him to stand there and watch as the flesh is stripped from his bone?
As for ‘dogs who die for others’, you do realize the amount of money and time that goes into training them? That is because they are literally brainwashed to behave a certain way. It is not innate.
We have been domesticating dogs for thousands upon thousands of years.

Yes, humans are animals. However, we are talking about an “us versus them” thing here.

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picture related

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[quote]caladin wrote:
Sorry If Im a bad guy for saying this but my dogs or for that matter any dog is as important to me as any human would be. Its called Unconditional Love dogs have it humans dont. Dont get me wrong I would save my family over a dog I didnt know but I consider one of my own dogs as important as any other family member because to me they are my family. I dont care for humans outside of my family so maybe that is the issue. Im just calling it as I see it.[/quote]

You just made a massive assumption based on nothing other than your conjecture. “Unconditional love” is a pretty vague thing, and it certainly cannot be so easily ascribed to a creature that can’t relate it thoughts. What you call unconditional love I call an animal behaving in a manner that will reward it with food. Strip that animal from it’s daily regiment of food and you have a nasty beast that will readily revert to its base instincts. Don’t believe me? Insert yourself into a pack of strays and see if they treat you with any compassion.

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[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
It’s just an animal, people.
You can grow an attachement to anything but it’s just a mutt, at the end of the day.
Don’t really see the big deal. A dog died, boohoo, so tragic.
The guy was gonna get ripped to shreds. Can you fault him?[/quote]

Since you posted a photo of a dog roast being plated up to illustrate your point, we can assume then that the thought of eating a dog sounds appetizing to you (I’m not asking you if you’d eat one as a last-ditch alternative to starvation, but if you would regularly choose to eat one over say, a steak or chicken and enjoy it)?

You’re not as “de-sensitized” to fluffy creatures as you think you are.[/quote]

Irrelevant comparison. I’ve never tried dog, so of course I would choose a known quantity like steak, which is delicious. Now if you were to ask me if I would try dog, or cat, or horse, or any animal for the sake of trying it, I would say, “absolutely”.

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[quote]Pootie Tang wrote:
But if you put me out in the wilderness toe to toe with another ultra predator with nothing but what god gave me when I was born. I’m a dead man.[/quote]

Higher brain function lets us use tools. You wouldn’t just be a dead man, you’d be an idiot for leaving behind said tools (like a gun or even a spear).

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[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:

[quote]caladin wrote:
Sorry If Im a bad guy for saying this but my dogs or for that matter any dog is as important to me as any human would be. Its called Unconditional Love dogs have it humans dont. Dont get me wrong I would save my family over a dog I didnt know but I consider one of my own dogs as important as any other family member because to me they are my family. I dont care for humans outside of my family so maybe that is the issue. Im just calling it as I see it.[/quote]

You just made a massive assumption based on nothing other than your conjecture. “Unconditional love” is a pretty vague thing, and it certainly cannot be so easily ascribed to a creature that can’t relate it thoughts. What you call unconditional love I call an animal behaving in a manner that will reward it with food. Strip that animal from it’s daily regiment of food and you have a nasty beast that will readily revert to its base instincts. Don’t believe me? Insert yourself into a pack of strays and see if they treat you with any compassion.[/quote]

This is very true. A dog is reliable because you care for it. That was the bond established between us for centuries. It will not show “unconditional love” if you quit feeding it and caring for it. It will return to its most basic instincts for survival.

There have been dogs found after their owners have died having eaten much of the remaining body.

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[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:

I don’t think I am, [/quote]

Obviously you do…at least you think you’re detached enough to scoff at people who might mourn the death of the dog (“boo-hoo”?) Reality check: you’re not. You just think that cold detachment to anything but science is the mark of a scientific mind.

You’re like a friend of mine. He so desperately wanted to be seen as a rocker that he crapped on every other genre of music, because he thought that was the “rock thing” to do (guy was a total nerd who never listened to music before he went to uni). Another buddy of mine gave him a free ticket to a classical concert. Buddy #1 went because it was free, but he loved it, even though he ‘hated’ classical.

Not only did the experience change his opinion, but it enriched his enjoyment of the music he already listened to. Experience and perspective: get someand be a better person.

[quote] and I have a problem with mindless cruelty to any living thing.

[/quote] Well then, why post a pic of the Korean equivalent of a hot dog? You didn’t answer my question. If you found the killing, cooking and consuming of dog flesh appealing, you would have answered without hesitation. You didn’t, so you’re not in a position to point fingers. You’re just like the rest of us mere mortals.

Oh, and check out the way these dogs are killed before you post pics of 'em to support a generally patronizing POV. You have a problem with mindless violence? I have a problem with mindless posting.

I didn’t find the photo offensive, but don’t be such a hypocrite to imply that you abhor animal cruelty when you have no clue as to how they were disposed of…would you approve of drowning a cow?

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Regardless, the man is attacked by a a ferocious dog. You really expect him to stand there and watch as the flesh is stripped from his bone?[/quote]

Spare me the histrionics. The dog has been accused of trying to kill the robber several times in this thread. When the was the last time you saw televised footage of a police dog killing a suspect, let alone using excessive force? Those, unfortunately, are exclusively human traits…

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[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
It’s just an animal, people.
You can grow an attachement to anything but it’s just a mutt, at the end of the day.
Don’t really see the big deal. A dog died, boohoo, so tragic.
The guy was gonna get ripped to shreds. Can you fault him?[/quote]

Since you posted a photo of a dog roast being plated up to illustrate your point, we can assume then that the thought of eating a dog sounds appetizing to you (I’m not asking you if you’d eat one as a last-ditch alternative to starvation, but if you would regularly choose to eat one over say, a steak or chicken and enjoy it)?

You’re not as “de-sensitized” to fluffy creatures as you think you are.[/quote]

Irrelevant comparison. I’ve never tried dog, so of course I would choose a known quantity like steak, which is delicious. Now if you were to ask me if I would try dog, or cat, or horse, or any animal for the sake of trying it, I would say, “absolutely”.[/quote]

It’s not an irrelevant comparison. You didn’t make the point or post the pic. And stop trying to find argumentative loopholes. The question wasn’t “would you try roast dog if I hired a Michelin star chef to cook it and offer it to you for the sake of novelty?”. It was “are you so emotionally removed from domestic animals that you’d eat and enjoy dog flesh on a regular basis and of your own volition?”.

Clearly the answer for both of you “independent thinkers” is no, because you’d be eating it already. Amateur.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:

[quote]caladin wrote:
Sorry If Im a bad guy for saying this but my dogs or for that matter any dog is as important to me as any human would be. Its called Unconditional Love dogs have it humans dont. Dont get me wrong I would save my family over a dog I didnt know but I consider one of my own dogs as important as any other family member because to me they are my family. I dont care for humans outside of my family so maybe that is the issue. Im just calling it as I see it.[/quote]

You just made a massive assumption based on nothing other than your conjecture. “Unconditional love” is a pretty vague thing, and it certainly cannot be so easily ascribed to a creature that can’t relate it thoughts. What you call unconditional love I call an animal behaving in a manner that will reward it with food. Strip that animal from it’s daily regiment of food and you have a nasty beast that will readily revert to its base instincts. Don’t believe me? Insert yourself into a pack of strays and see if they treat you with any compassion.[/quote]

This is very true. A dog is reliable because you care for it. That was the bond established between us for centuries. It will not show “unconditional love” if you quit feeding it and caring for it. It will return to its most basic instincts for survival.

There have been dogs found after their owners have died having eaten much of the remaining body.[/quote]

This is fucking retarded. There have also been dogs that died of starvation sitting next to their dead owner when the body was finally found. A dog knows who cares for it. It does not judge or nitpick. It is happy to see you when you get home and loves you UNCONDITIONALLY, no matter if you got fired or are having trouble bringing food home. If you’re saying that if you stick a dog on a chain staked to a tree in the front yard, stop feeding it and let it fend for it’s own, then yeah it’ll probably get mean. So would you. That’s not what we’re talking about here so I don’t see what you’re point is other than arguing to argue.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:

[quote]caladin wrote:
Sorry If Im a bad guy for saying this but my dogs or for that matter any dog is as important to me as any human would be. Its called Unconditional Love dogs have it humans dont. Dont get me wrong I would save my family over a dog I didnt know but I consider one of my own dogs as important as any other family member because to me they are my family. I dont care for humans outside of my family so maybe that is the issue. Im just calling it as I see it.[/quote]

You just made a massive assumption based on nothing other than your conjecture. “Unconditional love” is a pretty vague thing, and it certainly cannot be so easily ascribed to a creature that can’t relate it thoughts. What you call unconditional love I call an animal behaving in a manner that will reward it with food. Strip that animal from it’s daily regiment of food and you have a nasty beast that will readily revert to its base instincts. Don’t believe me? Insert yourself into a pack of strays and see if they treat you with any compassion.[/quote]

This is very true. A dog is reliable because you care for it. That was the bond established between us for centuries. It will not show “unconditional love” if you quit feeding it and caring for it. It will return to its most basic instincts for survival.

There have been dogs found after their owners have died having eaten much of the remaining body.[/quote]

I mean theyre already dead, the dog is surviving in that example X. It would be totally different if the example were “dog owner didnt feed dog breakfast, dog at owner instead”

I may have misread but wasnt this guy a criminal?!?! which would mean there should not be any condolences for him, the dog was doing its job in going after said criminal.

If it were my dog or a stranger, the stranger dies. I love my dog, and if I dont know the stranger I owe them nothing. Not to say i necessarily owe my dog anything but shes a good dog and is always there. Now if my dog were attacking my mom we would have some problems. But unknown stranger, especially a criminal vs my dog, stranger dies.

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[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:

[quote]caladin wrote:
Sorry If Im a bad guy for saying this but my dogs or for that matter any dog is as important to me as any human would be. Its called Unconditional Love dogs have it humans dont. Dont get me wrong I would save my family over a dog I didnt know but I consider one of my own dogs as important as any other family member because to me they are my family. I dont care for humans outside of my family so maybe that is the issue. Im just calling it as I see it.[/quote]

You just made a massive assumption based on nothing other than your conjecture. “Unconditional love” is a pretty vague thing, and it certainly cannot be so easily ascribed to a creature that can’t relate it thoughts. What you call unconditional love I call an animal behaving in a manner that will reward it with food. Strip that animal from it’s daily regiment of food and you have a nasty beast that will readily revert to its base instincts. Don’t believe me? Insert yourself into a pack of strays and see if they treat you with any compassion.[/quote]

Try to insert yourself into a gang of criminals, see if they show you any compassion. Oh wait they wouldn’t, duh.

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[quote]Mackk wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]SuperAlienFreak wrote:
I love how some people seem to think that humans AREN’T animals, sigh[/quote]

Uhm, what point are you trying to make? We are all biological organisms also, but you can bet that if I woke up to find a cougar about to eat my child, I would not hesitate to end the life of the “lower animal” in favor of the “human animal” about to be eaten.

Life is a hierarchy. I mean, shit, Disney should have drilled “Circle of Life” into all of our heads enough for it to not need further explanation.

We eat chickens. We eat cows. In some other countries, they would view that as barbaric. Some cultures eat the same pets we consider family. It is a matter of culture but at the end of the dog, a dog’s life is not equal to the life of a human…unless that human is on death row for murdering babies.[/quote]

X, Cougars do act very aggressive to young men, but I seriously doubt they want to eat them! And I’ve only known of 3 cougars that have expressed sexual desire for anything younger than a toddler. Cougars are a misunderstood breed that, often, simply want the dust clapped out of their cooch.[/quote]

LOL!