Justice for Peanut

It’s unfortunate that you feel that way, but healthcare cannot be a right any more than a massage is a right or a haircut is a right.

Maine has nearly declared it to be so, but that has not resulted in people choosing to learn how to provide healthcare, move to my town and begin delivering it to people while also settling in the area to be a stable source of healthcare. There are hundreds of openings just for nurses in my town’s two hospitals.

You can call it a right all you want, but someone else still needs to do all of the things needed for another person to receive it. If not, the ICU closes and travel healthcare workers will continue to fill the void as well as it can be. This is from yesterday here in The Lew.

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Nah. This is a specific thing. This is strategic greed, being created by the heads of organizations and perpetrated at large scale.

I used to sell drugs and beat people up. Sometimes pretty badly. Some people even wanted to kill me, and a couple even tried.

You know what the solution was?

Stop hurting people.

With that single lack of action, it has been almost 30 years since anybody has tried to stab me.

How bout dat??? :man_facepalming:. Like magic.

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No.

This is an absolutely unqualified, rage in my soul, do not spit numbers in my eyes, fuck you and what you are trying to stand up for.

I’m guessing that you have also dealt with some denial of care.

Mine was for cardiac rehab. My insurer wanted to play games with the provider and pulled a couple really shitty maneuvers to delay & deny.

PA state AG Shapiro, now governor helped clear some of that garbage up in PA.

UHC made $16,000,000,000 in profits last year. How much more care could they have provided if they only profitted $8,000,000,000? There has to be some middle ground. Things like this are insane: Anthem Blue Cross Blue Shield Reverses Policy That Wouldn't Cover Anesthesia After Time Limits

How can you force people to provide healthcare without making them slaves? How can it possibly be a right?

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If reality upsets you, that’s your problem, not mine. All of the moral outrage in the world doesn’t result in better, more available healthcare.

This is especially true when you begin incorporating other left-wing ideas, like the idea that a town like mine has a moral obligation to provide for the needs of whoever makes their way here.

It’s the same basic reason why the elementary school my son attended is in a state of institutional collapse, with teachers going direct to the schoolboard with exasperated pleas for a safer environment.

I stand for systems that create surpluses, not scarcity.

@SkyzykS I’ve no doubt that many questionable and even ruthless decisions have been made by insurance companies over the years, especially health insurance. Insurance companies of all kinds are in the business of not paying claims. That’s how it works.

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Oh I know. Im just saying, we can’t act like its a tragedy when somebody gets handled the same way they treated others.

I could go all oblique and say “He didn’t have to die from those gunshots. He could have just not bled as much”

But I’m trying to avoid disingenuous argument.

I think it is a bit tragic, because all of the rage is coming from a bad place that people can so easily confuse with a good place.

Those are the types of feelings that lead to gulags.

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Only if you fail to acknowledge

This guy, as CEO, was ultimately responsible for creating the scarcity.

How do you keep missing that?

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Wow.

There’s the issue right there.

I’m glad that my son is having seizures that are denied coverage because of an algorithm while millions that could go to patients are being diverted to CEO bodyguards who don’t do shit.

“Feed the hungry, clothe the naked, care for the sick,” like some old jewish guy said.

And fuck Maine anyway, it’s the taint of the nation. We have better lobsters in the Caribbean.

I’m guessing you’ve put your 10,000 hours into what you do for a living. Does someone have the right to demand you provide them a Michelin star meal at your expense?

If not, why does someone have the right to demand that a doctor provide them with a similar level of service?

I don’t believe that’s the case. The scarcity comes from lower numbers of people participating in providing healthcare while an increasing number of people need it.

Insurance companies are all navigating the landscape that the public’s laid out for them to operate in, generally speaking. That insurance companies exist to provide their service in an attempt to make a living is not the fundamental problem.

Isn’t the ACA a left wing idea?

Lets look at some charts from the time the ACA passed, and the gains made by United.

You’re talking about “thats what leads to gulags” while defending the guy that makes TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS
CREATING AND ENFORCING THE SCARCITY/ GULAGS!!!

:rofl:

Dude, how does this escape you?

Oh that poor company. Can’t make a living! :rofl:

I provide a luxury. I’m cooking food for rich people, not curing cancer.

What’s the difference, though? Someone should be enslaved to cure cancer?

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@Brant_Drake That’s a curious way of rationalizing how someone else should spend their time, which works out quite conveniently for you, provider of luxury services.

Do doctors deserve sleep? Time off? A career change if they don’t like it?

Or would doing those things be causing a moral catastrophe?

@SkyzykS It leads to the gulags because people come to believe that their political opponents are standing in the way of utopia. As reality continues to defy all of the predictions of utopia after left wingers gain power, the gulags take on more and more obstacles to progress and deal with them in more ruthless ways.

All coming from that basic mindset.

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Oh, that poor suffering company…

They’re being eaten alive by leftist policy and gubmint dollars!

:man_facepalming:

What fortuitous event do you suppose precipitated that skyrocketing juggernaut of gain? :thinking:

Must have been some freedom induced innovation emacted just in time to save them from the ACA.

What the fuck does that have to do with this? Doctors hate insurance companies more than anyone else.

It does not actually cost 10k to set a broken bone. Americans only think healthcare is expensive because they think the sticker price is the actual cost.

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Tell that to United! That chart has been GREEN for 10 fucking years!

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It has everything to do with the idea that healthcare is a right.

To be clear, I’m not a huge fan of insurance companies either. That they exist and try to be profitable isn’t a fundamental problem.

Convincing more people to provide healthcare while reducing administrative costs is the only way more people can possibly get it. The greatest mistake we’ve made regarding healthcare is constantly ceding ground to people who believe it is somehow different than any other good or service, like luxury catering, for instance, and needs to be regulated and litigated into the cost stratosphere.

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