[quote]KBCThird wrote:
oh for goodness sake, enough with the cns stuff. Yes, it is possible to overstress your neural system. most people never get near that. they have an off day and its “whoo, my cns is fried. my adrenals are over fatigued” This is definitely an instance where more knowledge is not better. People hear about these various maladies and afflictions and become training hypochondriacs, convinced that this new scourge is why they’re not making progress.
He’s a beginner, and he is coming from a BB background, he is probably not that neuromuscularly efficient with his muscle, but he will learn. Until then dont fill his head with nonsense and give him a complex that if his brain isnt hurting then somehow he’s doing something wrong in some way, but who knows what. Its crap like this that gets beginners to just throw in the towel.
To the OP, there is one criteria and one criteria only for whether or not your training split works: ‘are your strongman events going up’ that’s it, period[/quote]
[quote]KBCThird wrote:
oh for goodness sake, enough with the cns stuff. [/quote]
I’m not worried about his CNS; I just think 5 days is tough. Hell, I don’t even like working 5 days a week. I’m also confused with his goals. He brings up strongman, but he seems dead-set on fitting both an upper and lower body ME and DE day into his work week. That’s all.
[quote]malonetd wrote:
KBCThird wrote:
oh for goodness sake, enough with the cns stuff.
I’m not worried about his CNS; I just think 5 days is tough. Hell, I don’t even like working 5 days a week. I’m also confused with his goals. He brings up strongman, but he seems dead-set on fitting both an upper and lower body ME and DE day into his work week. That’s all.[/quote]
I’ve been doing a very intense 5 day split for the last year and a half (I deload every 10th week or so) I credit very good nutrition for allowing me to lift heavy (on my old program) for 5 days…
If it becomes to much then I’ll increase my deloading weeks. I want both upper and lower ME and DE days because I LOVE my squat days and my bench days… I don’t want to sacrifice either or cut back… Its that simple really, I just enjoy it. I’m keeping in the strongman for the same reason, I LOVE training with sandbags, logs and tires. I don’t want to sacrifice one thing for the other, I’m not gonna be on WSM anytime soon or setting a WPO record, so I might as well have fun with it right? .
[quote]malonetd wrote:
KBCThird wrote:
oh for goodness sake, enough with the cns stuff.
I’m not worried about his CNS; I just think 5 days is tough. Hell, I don’t even like working 5 days a week. I’m also confused with his goals. He brings up strongman, but he seems dead-set on fitting both an upper and lower body ME and DE day into his work week. That’s all.[/quote]
Todd, my post was aimed more at PEMDAS, and his post where he said “if me and de arent taxing your cns youre doing it wrong.” sorry for the confusion
for the record, i agree with you that 4 gym days plus an events day is too much (provided that you dont specifically plan out for that. I did about 6-8 weeks of 4 gym days+events, but that was pretty low volume bb stuff, and i think that worked out pretty good, and contributed to my two goals of easing back after a month absence and adding some lbm) but I think he’ll figure that out on his own, eventually, hopefully.
dude have you seen any of joe defrancos versions of 3 day lifting on a westside template
basically
heavy bench day
could be his set up for ws4sb or id guess a standard template
heavy squat day
again as per day 1
mixed dynamic lower and rep upper
a. Dynamic squats or a jump variation 8x 1-3)
b. Rep Upper Body movement (DB press variation, push-up variation, etc.)
c. Lats/Upper back - 3-4 sets
d. Posterior chain movement - 3-4 sets
e. Shoulder or Traps - 3 sets
6. Abs
here is where you could throw in the strongman day
it goes against the grain as it has 2 me days after each other but as you say you aint throwing 100lbs squats around and his/ your max days are to 3’s-5’s so less cns taking
I’ve been doing a very intense 5 day split for the last year and a half (I deload every 10th week or so) I credit very good nutrition for allowing me to lift heavy (on my old program) for 5 days…
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You haven’t been lifting that intensely if you’ve been lifting 5 days a week and only deload once every 10 weeks. Everyone I’ve seen at the gym that keeps a high intensity deloads every 3-5 weeks, and that’s keeping a 2-4 day/week lifting schedule.
[quote]KBCThird wrote:
malonetd wrote:
KBCThird wrote:
oh for goodness sake, enough with the cns stuff.
I’m not worried about his CNS; I just think 5 days is tough. Hell, I don’t even like working 5 days a week. I’m also confused with his goals. He brings up strongman, but he seems dead-set on fitting both an upper and lower body ME and DE day into his work week. That’s all.
Todd, my post was aimed more at PEMDAS, and his post where he said “if me and de arent taxing your cns youre doing it wrong.” sorry for the confusion
for the record, i agree with you that 4 gym days plus an events day is too much (provided that you dont specifically plan out for that. I did about 6-8 weeks of 4 gym days+events, but that was pretty low volume bb stuff, and i think that worked out pretty good, and contributed to my two goals of easing back after a month absence and adding some lbm) but I think he’ll figure that out on his own, eventually, hopefully.
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Yeah, I didn’t the other post until I responded.
I also think people over think things and worry about things like fatigue and CNS and shit. I don’t know even know what a fatigued CNS feels like(but then again, I’m lazy). The only time I think I actually came close to over training was when I was working a very physical job.
I don’t know if five days is too much for him. I would think if he went all out each day it would be. I don’t even know if it’s too much for me. I do know that I don’t WANT to lift five, so, in turn, I won’t let it work for me. I occasionally do four days with either an extra conditioning day or just a light hi-rep day. Anyway, I’m rambling and, like you said, he will figure what works for him on his own.